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Rare, ultra rare and holygrail palms

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Hi guys,

Ive been asked to help with some research into rare, ultra rare and holy grail palms for a plant youtuber doing a video on these things.

Being in a cold climate I can come up with a list for our climate but reality is that anything that Ive previously been interested in doesnt really fit the bill on rarity as I know next to nothing about tropical palms.

I was hoping you guys could help and fire a few suggestions over to me....

Many thanks in advance

Ben

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

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I am assuming these uber rare palms will be impossible in the UK (and likely for me in FL).

Here goes:

1) Lodoicea maldiva: the holiest of grails

2) Lemurophoenix halleuxii

3) Voanioala gerardii: coconut relative

4) Lepidorrhachis mooreana: not tropical, but my impossible dream palm

5) Cyphophoenix fulcita

6) Cyphokentia cerifera

7) Saribus jeanneneyi

8) Copernicia cowellii

9) Juania australis

10) Tectiphiala ferox

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Briank Mentor

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29 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I am assuming these uber rare palms will be impossible in the UK (and likely for me in FL).

Here goes:

1) Lodoicea maldiva: the holiest of grails

2) Lemurophoenix halleuxii

3) Voanioala gerardii: coconut relative

4) Lepidorrhachis mooreana: not tropical, but my impossible dream palm

5) Cyphophoenix fulcita

6) Cyphokentia cerifera

7) Saribus jeanneneyi

8) Copernicia cowellii

9) Juania australis

10) Tectiphiala ferox

Would Tahina Spectabillis be considered rare? 

Pritchardia Viscosa ? 

 

On west coast there plenty we consider rare but I’m wrong guy for this topic, those would be my Top 2. 

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Darold Petty Grand Master

Darold Petty

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How about my red form of Geonoma undata?  I have never seen another one in North America.  This is an old image and the color is not so vivid now, mostly a reddish chocolate.   This image was photoshopped, but only to remove brown foliage on the left side, no color alteration.  (I use this image for my luggage tags !  :mrlooney: ) 

  I also have 3 in-ground Lepidorrhachis, one with emergent trunk.

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San Francisco, California

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

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26 minutes ago, Briank said:

Would Tahina Spectabillis be considered rare? 

Pritchardia Viscosa ? 

Yes and maybe. I have a small Tahina but since their introduction 10 years ago, they have become impossible to find. Maybe P. viscosa but I'm not familiar with them enough say.

 

Darold, I thought about your Geonoma undata, but once again am not familiar enough with it to evaluate its rarity. It is indeed fabulous and another impossible dream palm for me.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Silas_Sancona Grand Master

Silas_Sancona

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3 rarest of the rare palms i can think of:

Hyophorbe amaricaulis

Hyophorbe vaughanii

Cryosophila nana

Might see specimens of the last two in cultivation occasionally, or sometime down the road in the future ( H. vaughanii )

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quaman58 Grand Master

quaman58

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I’ll second Tectiphiala. There are palms that are hard to come by and those that are impossible to obtain. 

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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palmsOrl

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Lodoicea, Hyophorbe americaulis, Dransfieldia, any first time in cultivation offerings.  There are many more.

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Josh-O Grand Master

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On 10/22/2019 at 10:03 AM, Briank said:

Would Tahina Spectabillis be considered rare? 

Pritchardia Viscosa ? 

 

On west coast there plenty we consider rare but I’m wrong guy for this topic, those would be my Top 2. 

Tahina is close to holy grail

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Josh-O Grand Master

Josh-O

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On 10/22/2019 at 2:56 PM, richnorm said:

Dypsis pumila.

I'm with you on that one

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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1 hour ago, Josh-O said:

Tahina is close to holy grail

If you have space, can grow it and know, just as the Mexican Agave (tequila) plant is suicidal, go for it! 

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Ultra rare: 

Here's mine. Caveat: this does not mean  (what I perceive) it's the most beautiful nor is it my favorite palm.  (Imagine a fan palm growing double-sized coconuts. Yes, it takes decades.) 

However, it is the holy grail of palms:

Lodoicea maldivica

 

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5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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On 10/22/2019 at 10:32 AM, PalmatierMeg said:

I am assuming these uber rare palms will be impossible in the UK (and likely for me in FL).

Here goes:

1) Lodoicea maldiva: the holiest of grails

 

There used to be one of these growing many years ago at Flamingo Gardens in Davie, FL. It was pretty good size as I recall but had no trunk. I never found out what happened to it. I'd guess the cold of 2010 took it but really not sure. Anybody know? Does Stan Woods come on here?

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Merlyn Grand Master

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On 10/22/2019 at 10:32 AM, PalmatierMeg said:

6) Cyphokentia cerifera

I was just surfing RPS's in stock list for winter projects, and noticed that seeds for this one are in stock!  So if you feel the need to torture yourself with palms that are tough to grow and really slow...there's your chance!  :D 

https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/plant-group/palms/cyphokentia-cerifera?mfp=stock_status[7]&limit=120

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Really full garden Grand Master

Really full garden

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5 hours ago, Doubleway said:

My Copernicia Cowelli are easily growing in Thailand but they are ultra rare palm here.

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Just spectacular !!!!  I think these are very rare everywhere.

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El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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Palmarum Grand Master

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On 10/24/2019 at 8:41 AM, Valhallalla said:

There used to be one of these growing many years ago at Flamingo Gardens in Davie, FL. It was pretty good size as I recall but had no trunk. I never found out what happened to it. I'd guess the cold of 2010 took it but really not sure. Anybody know? Does Stan Woods come on here?

There were two of them. A second, smaller 'seedling' was added sometime in the late 2000s. You are correct, the cold got them. The large one was damaged in the cold of 2009 and was finished off in 2010.

Ryan

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South Florida

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mike in kurtistown

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I's like to be able to get a couple of Colombian palms with a very limited distribution:

1. Oenocarpus circumtextis, and

2. Oenocarpus simplex.

And a couple of Amazonian species:

3. Geonoma aspidiifolia, and

4. Geonoma stricta.

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Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

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On 11/10/2019 at 4:27 AM, Doubleway said:

My Copernicia Cowelli are easily growing in Thailand but they are ultra rare palm here.

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They seem to do very well under desert conditions too.These are my seedlings,slow but steady.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

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Mesa, Arizona

 

Temps between 29F and 115F each year

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Lodoicea maldiva is steadily growing at Ann Norton Sculpture Gardens in WPB, Fl. Those Copernicia cowelli's are incredible. The Genoma undata is spectacular. The incredibly slow growing Hemithrinax ekmaniana are out of the ordinary, especially when they are tall (Cuba).

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On 10/23/2019 at 1:32 AM, PalmatierMeg said:

I am assuming these uber rare palms will be impossible in the UK (and likely for me in FL).

Here goes:

1) Lodoicea maldiva: the holiest of grails

2) Lemurophoenix halleuxii

3) Voanioala gerardii: coconut relative

4) Lepidorrhachis mooreana: not tropical, but my impossible dream palm

5) Cyphophoenix fulcita

6) Cyphokentia cerifera

7) Saribus jeanneneyi

8) Copernicia cowellii

9) Juania australis

10) Tectiphiala ferox

totally impossible for C fulcita seeds to germinate outside of is habitat....near my house in new caledonia, there are billions of them

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8 hours ago, surfnoumea said:

totally impossible for C fulcita seeds to germinate outside of is habitat....near my house in new caledonia, there are billions of them

Thanks for telling me. Do you know why? I assume those billions of seeds germinate well in New Caledonia. Too bad the seedlings never make it to the rest of the world. I knew they are woefully difficult to germinate and just as slow growing. I am way too old to even try.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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If the seeds are fresh they can germinate everywhere in the world if you give the good conditions, can't they?

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elevation 328 feet

distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile

lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F

lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F

lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F

lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F

lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F

lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F

Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F

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