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Ouer Garden, Two Generations


Kim

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The Palm Society of Southern California hosted a 3-garden tour Saturday in Leucadia, a coastal neighborhood in north San Diego County. This garden generated plenty of interest, and attendance and "wows" were in abundance.

The first and most outstanding garden was begun many years ago by PalmTalk moderator Dean Ouer and is currently under the able stewardship of his son, Dorian Ouer. Dean left California for Hawaii some 15 years ago, and the garden continued to grow, but also began to suffer a bit from his absence. However, in the years since Dorian caught the palm bug, the garden has been revived and improved to a point of perfection. Both father and son can take pride in this accomplished garden which boasts mature giants as well as many interesting new additions.

An outstanding feature of the garden is the mature canopy of Howea forsteriana and Schizolobium trees. This broad,filtering canopy, along with the mild temperatures and exquisite soil of the area, allows for growth of palms rarely seen in Southern California gardens. The photos will tell the story. I will attempt some IDs but no guarantees of 100% accuracy.

Roystonea signals the entry to a serious palm garden

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Right about here, those entering the garden began to hyperventilate...

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A few of the palms one sees upon passing through the gates...

...a Licuala sp., possibly distans?

Palm mod edit: Licuala spinosa

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Guessing Kentiopsis oliviformis?

Palm Mod edit: just a regular Chambeyronia

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Licuala peltata v. sumawongii

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Not sure, but it's very pretty! Suckering or double-planted?

Palm Mod Edit: Dypsis "Bef"

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Ravenea glauca and possibly Cyphophoenix alba?

Palm Mod Edit: Cyphophoenix balansae

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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The garden has some wonderful philodendrons and anthuriums, gingers and other foliage plants to add to the tropical feel. Below is a very healthy and well-established Raphidophora decursiva:

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leaf scars on the Howea trunks are decorative on their own...

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Chambeyronia macrocarpa trio

Palm Mod Edit: actually Chanbeyronia "houailou"

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Big Sabal mauritiaformis with white undersides to huge deeply-split fans

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Looking up into the crowns of some very tall Ceroxylon sp.

Palm Mod Edit: big palm on right is Ravenea "monticola" and surprising to me how similar to Ceroxylon it is.

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Trunks like concrete, beautifully etched by leaf scars

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...and really, really tall! These have really put on some height in the last ten years, for sure.

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Dypsis decipiens double

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I think Dorian said this is Dypsis ampasindavae; very well grown, handsome palm.

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Below, Allagoptera arenaria

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Josh-O on the right, admiring the feathery canopy

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More palm enthusiasts enjoying the tour

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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WUNDERBAR!

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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This might be Licuala ramsayi... or it might not...

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Cycads, too!

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One way to deal with an unwanted palm!

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Kathy, Paul and Josh discussing the koi pond with Dorian, second from right.

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The koi pond

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Small beauties along the side paths...

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...well, maybe not all of them small...

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When good fronds go bad...

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All the way to the back of the house, more garden! More palms!

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Left to right: Maybe a Cyphosperma balansae? Burretiokentia hapala with dredlock inflorescence,  and possibly Dypsis carlsmithii with those recurved leaves?

Palm Mod Edit: last one is a juvenile Dypsis decipiens.

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Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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General view toward the house from the rear of the garden

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Layers of palms! Plenty of depth to these beds.

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A closer look at the B. hapala

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I thought this might be D. carlsmithii -- what do you think?

Edit: Juvenile Dypsis decipiens

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A nice pair of Rhopalostylis, probably sapida...

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Variegated Rhapis excelsa

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Variegated Caryota sp. in the shade

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Lots of things tucked away in the shade here, including some surprises.

Chamaedorea metallica

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Kerriodoxa elegans!

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No idea, but sure has pretty color to the tiny stems...

Edit: Geiger collected Dypsis "black stem"

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Coccothrinax, yes, but which species?  Edit: C. miraguama

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Fine interplay of colors and textures

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On my way out... another shot of the Ravenea glauca in noonday sun

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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The End of the Tour

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Please post your photos!

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Outstanding pictures as always Kim! This was my second visit and actually noticed all the wonderful companion plants almost as much as the palms this time. Regarding the multi trunked palm (6th picture down I think), I believe someone told me it was species ”bef”. The following picture I’m pretty sure is Cyphosperma balansae. Thanks for posting all these!

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Wow, what a place!

Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Thank you Kim for posting.  WoW! I do not remember the garden looking this clean.  VERY NICE.  

Wish I could have gone yesterday but had a family commitment.  

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Thanks for the pics Kim, and thanks to others for the kind comments.

I'm gonna use my Mod privileges to correct Kim's mostly correct IDs - I hope she doesn't mind.

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22 minutes ago, Dypsisdean said:

I'm gonna use my Mod privileges to correct Kim's mostly correct IDs - I hope she doesn't mind.

Yes, please! I was hoping you'd step in to help out. 

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Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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28 minutes ago, Kim said:

Yes, please! I was hoping you'd step in to help out. 

 

Good - for some reason the software is preventing me from editing the last few.

- the D. carlsmithii in question is a juvenile D. decipiens.

- the Cocothrinax is a C. miraguama

- and the "pretty color tiny stems" is a Geiger collected D. "black stem"

Thanks again Kim

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6 hours ago, Kim said:

This garden generated plenty of interest, and attendance and "wows" were in abundance.

Kim you did a great job photo documenting the garden so most of my shots would only duplicate what you captured.  It was great to finally see from inside the gates after walking by frequently over the last several years since I moved to Leucadia.  This clumping black stem Dypsis caught my eye.  Dorian shared that unfortunately the sprinklers hit the crownshafts and wash off the glaucus covering, but the color contrasts are still spectacular.

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Another look at the backyard.  There was some discussion regarding the identity of the palm with the white crownshaft in the dead center of the photo.  Perhaps a large Hedyscepe canterburyana?  Should have asked Dorian who was pointing something else out in this photo to another guest.

Palm Mod Edit: yes - Hedyscepe

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Companion plants galore!  I was impressed with the variety as well as being motivated to try some of the plants I previously thought wouldn't survive in my own garden.

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Maybe a newly flushed Dioon spinulosum. The dappled shade in the front yard feels like it’s cast from those giant monkey pod trees in Lava Tree State Park near Pahoa. Wouldn’t it be nice to view this garden from a canopy skywalk a la Mardy Darian?

Palm Mod Edit: Dion mejiae

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Thanks Kim (and others) for all the outstanding photos of this great garden. Sorry, I missed it - would have loved to see it. :)

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3 hours ago, Dypsisdean said:

 

Good - for some reason the software is preventing me from editing the last few.

Irony ???

 

the software should know not to bite the hand that feeds it

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Tracy,  thanks for posting the infamous D. baronii 'Black Stem'.  After Trioderob left I thought we would never get an image !  :floor:

Also,  in the companion plants, an Anthurium is shown,   could this be the one sold by Jerry Andersen as A. species 'Mexico' ?  I have one labeled as such, and it even grows outdoors for me.   

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Thanks Tracy and Daxin for adding your excellent photos! There was so much to take in, right? Really interesting mix of palms and other plants, something different everywhere you look.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

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Kim, that’s for taking the time for posting these. And to Tracy and Daxin for following up with more. Kids karate belt ceremony, soccer and a pesky 15 wedding anniversary kept me from attending :)

Dean, you must be very proud of the amazing work Dorian has done. You are fortunate your son had interest and took over. I only hope one of my kids wants to do the same in time. 

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What an awesome garden and im sure pics dont do it justice. Seems like a must see for SoCal. @Dypsisdean did Dorian not have the palm bug the whole time before he took it over ? 

T J 

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@LJG and @OC2Texaspalmlvr Thanks for the comments.

When I moved to Hawaii 15 years ago, Dorian couldn't have cared less about the palms, and with my absence (and even before I officially left) the garden was (to put it nicely) unattended. So, I wasn't encouraged by what I figured was the future. 

But like gardening, apparently I may have planted the seed within Dorian, and even he didn't realize it until something germinated. Don't ask me what or how? We all remember how it started with us - and it's just hard to explain what motivates us to do this. So Len (and other parents), you just don't know what or when something may happen.

But yes, I'm super proud and happy I get to see what happened to my garden after I abandoned it. And I'm sure it doesn't happen often that a previous owner can say it looks much better.

 

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Thanks for the kind words everyone. :D

When you're young and a teenager and just want to be left alone and play video games, your dad's hobbies are pretty much the lamest thing you can imagine, if not outright annoying when he's constantly asking you to stop what you're doing and come out to help dig something. So I wasn't really interested at all. It wasn't until I had been living in the place temporarily after he moved to Hawaii, and often woke up to random people wandering the garden completely uninvited, that I realized it was maybe something a little special, and started reading up to learn what exactly that thing was.

Unfortunately by that point the place was very overgrown and uncared for. The older, larger stuff like the archontophoenix, howea, ceroxylon, chambeyronia, rhopalostylis, etc. were strong enough to have survived just from the rudimentary automatic irrigation timers he left running when he moved. But just about everything under 15' tall or so had died, including all of the ferns, companion plants, and anything else halfway fragile. And then unfortunately, what little understory remained once I cleared the place out, including a few delicate little rare things like Cyathea princeps that had somehow miraculously survived, I then promptly murdered by over-fertilizing and over-watering in an uneducated and desperate attempt to save what was left.

So I was pretty much left with a "telephone pole effect" garden of tall trunks of stuff I knew was rare and valuable, and would make for some impressive show pieces later, but mostly bare dirt in between, a couple halfway buried pathways, and not much in the way of an actual lush garden. It's taken about 12 years to replant a bunch of new stuff to fill out the mid-level and understory palms, companion plants, bromeliads, and redo the paths, lava rock, and the rest. And then I finally tore apart and completely redid the house and deck last year as well.

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@daxin:  Yes, that's C. elatior, and that's Dioon mejiae by the pond. Unfortunately I only really track the names of the palms, ferns, and cycads. The companion plants like the bromeliads and anthuriums I just opportunistically grab whenever I come across something that looks cool, so I couldn't tell you where they came from or what they are.

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@Dorian Thanks for filling in the timeline between when your father left and when you took over. For us lurkers we would have never known the garden had gone thru some dark times. Great job on resurrecting what is once again an amazing garden. Maybe one day i can see it in person myself :D

T J 

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On 9/23/2019 at 8:52 AM, LJG said:

You are fortunate your son had interest and took over. I only hope one of my kids wants to do the same in time. 

Patience Len, like Dorian said, when young and asked to help in the garden it is the last thing they want to do.  As adults they begin to appreciate the plants.  Heck my daughter-in-law was interested enough to meet me at Dorian's garden and she was able to id some of the species as we walked through, just from knowing my garden.  When your kids peers visit and find your garden fascinating, that also stimulates their interest, but that doesn't start until they are college age or older in my experience.

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