Remarkable palms of Tampa Bay

[JJPalmer 279]

I know it’s posted about a lot, but just some more photos I took the other day at Kopsick: 

[Eric in Orlando 3,917]

15 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

A well-planted garden near South Florida Avenue with Dypsis decaryi, Bismarckia nobilis, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (I think due to the green undersides), and Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (if you look closely near the 2nd Bismarck) represented if you move around on Google street view.  On the left side of the driveway, is that second palm an Elaeis?

 

 

It looks more like an Arenga pinnata

[RedRabbit 1,521]

2 hours ago, Eric in Orlando said:

 

 

It looks more like an Arenga pinnata

That’s the other one I was thinking it could be. I can’t tell them apart at that size without a closer look.

[kinzyjr 3,670]

@Eric in Orlando + @RedRabbit Thanks to both of you.  I don't grow any Arenga other than the common Arenga engleri.  After Eric's suggestion, I looked up Arenga pinnata and it closely matches the pictures on RPS.

https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/arenga-pinnata

[JJPalmer 279]

Found this coconut palm hidden near downtown Safety Harbor.  Barely survived 2010; I assumed it was younger due to it's height.  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9877097,-82.6903097,3a,15y,89.57h,92.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTMHVxXchscYE695MIngKZQ!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[ruskinPalms 423]

Here is one East of I-75 on Highway 70 in manatee county that I’m pretty sure was there before the freeze in 2010. I was living just on the west side of 75 there starting in 2009. I wasn’t really palm spotting at the time but I’m pretty sure it was there in front of that liquor store with little to no trunk at that time. 
 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by ruskinPalms

[kinzyjr 3,670]

1 hour ago, ruskinPalms said:

Here is one East of I-75 on Highway 70 in manatee county that I’m pretty sure was there before the freeze in 2010. I was living just on the west side of 75 there starting in 2009. I wasn’t really palm spotting at the time but I’m pretty sure it was there in front of that liquor store with little to no trunk at that time.

Looks like it was there the whole way back into 2007 from this link: Cocos nucifera - 9001 FL-70, Bradenton, FL - November 2007

[RedRabbit 1,521]

4 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

Found this coconut palm hidden near downtown Safety Harbor.  Barely survived 2010; I assumed it was younger due to it's height.  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9877097,-82.6903097,3a,15y,89.57h,92.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTMHVxXchscYE695MIngKZQ!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Nice find! I always thought that area was warm enough for some older coconuts and this confirms it. 

2 hours ago, ruskinPalms said:

Here is one East of I-75 on Highway 70 in manatee county that I’m pretty sure was there before the freeze in 2010. I was living just on the west side of 75 there starting in 2009. I wasn’t really palm spotting at the time but I’m pretty sure it was there in front of that liquor store with little to no trunk at that time. 
 

 

That palm really is remarkable. @Zeeth and I have talked about this one before and I think he said it’s the furthest inland survivor in Manatee County. I don’t think it took much damage in 2018 either. Something is special about the spot it’s planted; perhaps it’s all the asphalt nearby. Otherwise, I struggle to see why a coconut in Lakewood Ranch would have managed to survive this long.

Edited April 10, 2020 by RedRabbit

[ruskinPalms 423]

4 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

Nice find! I always thought that area was warm enough for some older coconuts and this confirms it. 

That palm really is remarkable. @Zeeth and I have talked about this one before and I think he said it’s the furthest inland survivor in Manatee County. I don’t think it took much damage in 2018 either. Something is special about the spot it’s planted; perhaps it’s all the asphalt nearby. Otherwise, I struggle to see why a coconut in Lakewood Ranch would have managed to survive this long.

I agree. It must be all the asphalt and the air movement generated by the traffic on highway 70 (even at night. Lots of semi trucks go through there all night long on their way across the state to I75). Also, it has nice southeastern exposure there to catch the first rays of the morning light. Really it has exposure to all directions and no canopy haha!

[SubTropicRay 119]

Nice! 

[JJPalmer 279]

Drive by this pair of coco’s all the time on S. Ft. Harrison - they’re quite beautiful. They appear to have been planted in the Spring/Summer of 2009 or 2010, based on the streetview image from March 2011. The area just south of Downtown Clearwater into Belleaire is significantly more tropical-feeling than surrounding neighborhoods; money being a major factor. This is the furthest north I’ve seen pre-80’s royals. Pretty neat area. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9557606,-82.7999063,3a,73.5y,107.17h,94.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sx4pZacjijKPwUKFzxtsTmw!2e0!5s20080301T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Edited April 24, 2020 by JJPalmer

[kinzyjr 3,670]

Guess this housing development decided to relax the rules a little: North Bartow Planting

[Palmaceae 2,417]

More Pinellas county coconuts!  This time on Johns Pass, Madeira Beach.

Looking at Google Maps they have been there since at least 2007. Maybe a couple gone but mostly all still there.

 

[Palmaceae 2,417]

Here they are in 2007, then in 2011.

[Palmaceae 2,417]

Picture taken on Treasure Island in Pinellas county, looks like the 1940's.  Was in a warm period of time in St Pete. 

 

[JJPalmer 279]

Never get tired of driving by these on SR-580 in Dunedin. The Westernmost Coconut looks much healthier than the close one. Lots of fruit. 

[palmsOrl 1,483]

I guess they hold the dead fronds longer in less windy locations?  Or perhaps that is indicative of cold damage where a bunch of fronds died at once and crown regrew?

[JJPalmer 279]

Just now, palmsOrl said:

I guess they hold the dead fronds longer in less windy locations?  Or perhaps that is indicative of cold damage where a bunch of fronds died at once and crown regrew?

They definitely were bronzed a bit from this winter's cold. 

[SWFLchris 244]

Clearwater - P. macarthurii and D. Album

[Chatta 697]

Saw these nice coconuts and some tall royals on the Anclote River just across from the end of the Sponge Docks on Dodacanese. I need to get a better pick i realise lol. There are some surprisngly nice Royals and Coconuts sprinkled around Tarpon Springs/East Lake and Keystone O.o

[Chatta 697]

A nice King Palm (i think its a. maxima) and I think a big Majesty Palm on Sheldon Rd. across from Citrus Park Town Center (I think these belong to TampaScott but I can't remember).

 

I saw a Redneck Palm near Madiera Beach, forget where exactly and also these old man palms

[kinzyjr 3,670]

Adonidia merrillii in flower at Lake Wales Medical Center.  From the street views, it looks a few might have been there since at least the 2013 street view.  The 2007 and 2008 street views are a little blurry to use for verification purposes.  There are a lot of them near the entrance at this point as well.  Screen captures added for folks that have had issues with the links.

July 2019 - Adonidia in Flower

June 2016 - Adonidia in Flower

July 2013 - Adonidia

January 2008 - Adonidia?

December 2007 - Adonidia?

[RedRabbit 1,521]

51 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Adonidia merrillii in flower at Lake Wales Medical Center.  From the street views, it looks a few might have been there since at least the 2013 street view.  The 2007 and 2008 street views are a little blurry to use for verification purposes.  There are a lot of them near the entrance at this point as well.  Screen captures added for folks that have had issues with the links.

July 2019 - Adonidia in Flower

June 2016 - Adonidia in Flower

July 2013 - Adonidia

January 2008 - Adonidia?

December 2007 - Adonidia?

Looks like they were there in 2007. I’ve seen quite a few like this that have been able to survive next to a house or building. Out in the open I think these would have been goners a long time ago.

[kinzyjr 3,670]

4 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Looks like they were there in 2007. I’ve seen quite a few like this that have been able to survive next to a house or building. Out in the open I think these would have been goners a long time ago.

It seems that keeping them near a building is the key since the ones that survived those freezes here are largely next to a house or a business.  Perhaps they have more issues with wind than with the actual low temperature, kind of like sea grapes.  The Mountain Lake station recorded the following according to NOAA:

Jan. 2018:

1/18/2018

0

61

25

Jan. 2010:

1/1/2010	0.37	0	68	57
1/2/2010	0	0	62	36
1/3/2010	0	0	55	33
1/4/2010	0	0	53	28
1/5/2010	0	0	49	32
1/6/2010	0	0	52	26
1/7/2010	0	0	62	27
1/8/2010	0	0	64	32
1/9/2010	0.25		59	33
1/10/2010	0	0	49	24
1/11/2010	0	0	54	27
1/12/2010	0	0	60	25
1/13/2010	0	0	63	30
1/14/2010	0	0	72	36
1/15/2010	0	0	73	45

Jan. 2008:

1/3/2008

0

0

54

27

Not sure how accurate some of the numbers are for this particular location as the wall would have given off some heat and kept the temperature up a hair.  They also had a reading of 23F in 2010 and 25F in 2018 for our airport (KLAL), whereas Weather Underground now shows 27F and 25F for the same.  I personally recorded 26F in 2010 and 28.2F in 2018, so it's anyone's guess.

[RedRabbit 1,521]

2 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

It seems that keeping them near a building is the key since the ones that survived those freezes here are largely next to a house or a business.  Perhaps they have more issues with wind than with the actual low temperature, kind of like sea grapes.  The Mountain Lake station recorded the following according to NOAA:

Jan. 2018:

1/18/2018

0

61

25

Jan. 2010:

1/1/2010	0.37	0	68	57
1/2/2010	0	0	62	36
1/3/2010	0	0	55	33
1/4/2010	0	0	53	28
1/5/2010	0	0	49	32
1/6/2010	0	0	52	26
1/7/2010	0	0	62	27
1/8/2010	0	0	64	32
1/9/2010	0.25		59	33
1/10/2010	0	0	49	24
1/11/2010	0	0	54	27
1/12/2010	0	0	60	25
1/13/2010	0	0	63	30
1/14/2010	0	0	72	36
1/15/2010	0	0	73	45

Jan. 2008:

1/3/2008

0

0

54

27

Not sure how accurate some of the numbers are for this particular location as the wall would have given off some heat and kept the temperature up a hair.  They also had a reading of 23F in 2010 and 25F in 2018 for our airport (KLAL), whereas Weather Underground now shows 27F and 25F for the same.  I personally recorded 26F in 2010 and 28.2F in 2018, so it's anyone's guess.

I think it’s the heat coming off the walls that saves them. It’s 3f at best, but that makes all the difference in Central Florida. 

[JJPalmer 279]

Nothing too crazy, but stumbled upon this quite tall archontophoenix in North Central Pinellas.  House was built in 1987 - I’d assume this planting is original to the house. 

[RedRabbit 1,521]

55 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

Nothing too crazy, but stumbled upon this quite tall archontophoenix in North Central Pinellas.  House was built in 1987 - I’d assume this planting is original to the house. 

Wow, that’s one of the biggest I’ve seen in this area. Thanks for sharing!

[ruskinPalms 423]

2 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

Nothing too crazy, but stumbled upon this quite tall archontophoenix in North Central Pinellas.  House was built in 1987 - I’d assume this planting is original to the house. 

Nice find! It must be a survivor having gone through some rough freezes, hurricanes and it has certainly dodged plenty of lightning!

[JJPalmer 279]

Bell Channelside Apartments with some quite tall Carpentaria acuminata.  Looks like they are original to the building, which was completed in 2008. 

[RedRabbit 1,521]

1 hour ago, JJPalmer said:

Bell Channelside Apartments with some quite tall Carpentaria acuminata.  Looks like they are original to the building, which was completed in 2008. 

Good one! I actually don’t know of any other Carpentaria in Hillsborough County. It’s a shame because it seems like they should do okay in the warmer parts.  

Edited June 16, 2020 by RedRabbit

[Chatta 697]

really cool old photo of davis island i found

 

And heres one someone posted of St Pete Beach from the 80s

[Chatta 697]

Bayshore Blvd 1953

[palmsOrl 1,483]

1 hour ago, Chatta said:

really cool old photo of davis island i found

 

And heres one someone posted of St Pete Beach from the 80s

Are those little crooked palms (?) on the beach in the second photo Thrinax radiata?

Now that I look more closely it looks like they could be anything from Chamaerops to Phoenix roebelenii to a type of Dracaena or a mix of one or more of the above or something else entirely.  I also spy at least one small Cocos in the mix.

[Fusca 1,515]

On 6/15/2020 at 5:50 PM, JJPalmer said:

Bell Channelside Apartments with some quite tall Carpentaria acuminata.  Looks like they are original to the building, which was completed in 2008. 

@RedRabbit, @Chatta do you guys know when these or other Carpentaria produce seed in your area?  I recently purchased some seeds and suspect that they were not fresh.

[Zeeth 2,246]

4 hours ago, Chatta said:

Bayshore Blvd 1953

This gives me an idea...

[Chatta 697]

3 hours ago, Fusca said:

@RedRabbit, @Chatta do you guys know when these or other Carpentaria produce seed in your area?  I recently purchased some seeds and suspect that they were not fresh.

Frank had some big ones, I bought a decent size at his sale but i lost i. Really need to grow more of these Frank says theyre hardier than veitchias.and have similar look. Ray might be able to tell you more, but Frank's garden is in Town N Country almost near West Chase

[kinzyjr 3,670]

21 minutes ago, Chatta said:

Frank had some big ones, I bought a decent size at his sale but i lost i. Really need to grow more of these Frank says theyre hardier than veitchias.and have similar look. Ray might be able to tell you more, but Frank's garden is in Town N Country almost near West Chase

I think @SWFLchris might have a few small ones for sale...

[RedRabbit 1,521]

5 hours ago, Chatta said:

really cool old photo of davis island i found

 

And heres one someone posted of St Pete Beach from the 80s

Wow, those look great. We need more coconuts on the beach.

5 hours ago, Chatta said:

Bayshore Blvd 1953

Interesting, I guess the freeze of 1962 killed it. It’s in a great spot though so it seems like it could have had a fighting chance.

3 hours ago, Fusca said:

@RedRabbit, @Chatta do you guys know when these or other Carpentaria produce seed in your area?  I recently purchased some seeds and suspect that they were not fresh.

Sorry, no idea. @Silas_Sancona might know based on his experience at Kopsick.

23 minutes ago, Chatta said:

Frank had some big ones, I bought a decent size at his sale but i lost i. Really need to grow more of these Frank says theyre hardier than veitchias.and have similar look. Ray might be able to tell you more, but Frank's garden is in Town N Country almost near West Chase

Isn’t Frank out of business? 
 

Based on what I’ve read they do look hardier than Veitchia and might even be good down to 25f.

I heard someone say they have mostly been replaced by foxtails so that could be why you don’t see them around. The fact there are basically no Carpentaria in Hillsborough County makes me think that can’t live here, but if they’ve really just been replaced by foxtails then I’d be much more optimistic.

Edited June 24, 2020 by RedRabbit

[SWFLchris 244]

Just now, kinzyjr said:

I think @SWFLchris might have a few small ones for sale...

I do have a few 3g and tons of 1g, thanks.

[kinzyjr 3,670]

I plan on seeing what Carpentaria will tolerate here, but it looks like mixed results: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/29053-carpentaria-acuminata-cold-hardiness/

This might be one of those cases where an extra degree or two per night downtown is enough vs. in the suburbs or outlying areas.