Remarkable palms of Tampa Bay

[sonoranfans 1,707]

The 2010 event was radiational, that is the air was notably warmer with height so a taller palm could escape the freeze where a shorter one would die.  In 2018, that front was advective, almost no temp advantage with height.  Though 2018 was a couple degrees warmer at ground or 6' it wasnt at height.  SO t he 2010 event favored taller palms of the same species, the 2018 event did not favor taller palms so the taller palms may have even experienced the same temperature but for a few hours longer(it was alonger event).  Neither of these events validate cold tolerance for cocos as the sites were favorably warm.  My limited research on these cold events is that warmest areas in the tampa area are SW pinellas and anna maria island but there are warm spots in tampa that are probably warm 9b/cold 10a..   

[JJPalmer 284]

17 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

As far as pre-1980s coconuts go, I’d be looking for coconuts with 45+ feet of trunk. 

To this point - not sure if Bradenton is outside of the scope of this thread, but there are some relatively (pre2000) old coconuts outside of Riverhouse in Palmetto and at Twin Dolphin Marina in Bradenton.  These are at least "tall" as the Kopsick coconuts - more impressive than anything I've seen in Pinellas. 

[RedRabbit 1,526]

19 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

To this point - not sure if Bradenton is outside of the scope of this thread, but there are some relatively (pre2000) old coconuts outside of Riverhouse in Palmetto and at Twin Dolphin Marina in Bradenton.  These are at least "tall" as the Kopsick coconuts - more impressive than anything I've seen in Pinellas. 

Manatee and Sarasota Counties are indeed within the scope of this thread. 

I took a look at those coconuts on streetview. They do look big enough to where it’s plausible they’re pre-80s, but it’s a tough call with them. There’s another group of coconuts in Bradenton on Manatee and 19th I’ve been wondering about too. Coconuts in that 30-45ft of trunk range are really tough to tell. Above that I think it’s clear they’re older and below it’s clear they’re younger. 
 

I know of a few coconuts in Sarasota County that seem to have clearly survived the 80s. I know AMI had some but I think they were lost to development so I can’t point to anything definitive in Manatee County.

Edited February 18, 2020 by RedRabbit

[RedRabbit 1,526]

Here are a few coconuts I'm pretty sure are pre-1980s:

1. Lido Key    https://www.google.com/maps/@27.3150428,-82.5799556,3a,75y,41.2h,115.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipPbteE2XC_34WOIBFxmqRTsPRpbx2PxvSBx1vhy!2e10!3e11!7i7680!8i3840

The coconut in the center probably is probably >50'. Note that the condo would have shielded it from northerly winds. 

 

2.  Venice Beach

a.) https://www.google.com/maps/@27.104603,-82.462522,3a,30y,89.14h,92.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdvfCr0eabGGeBkIbZJhDfQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DdvfCr0eabGGeBkIbZJhDfQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D247.34955%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

b.) https://www.google.com/maps/@27.1061124,-82.4631363,3a,30y,79.72h,94.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4VVkklarQY-shklqtZeD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The images aren't great, but you can tell how tall they are from the condos in the background. Its not just these two either, there are few more that seem pretty tall from streetview... The coldest the Venice airport recorded in the 80s was 25f so it was probably a couple degrees warmer directly at the beach. Its not hard to see how some coconuts like these could survive that.

 

Edited February 19, 2020 by RedRabbit

[kinzyjr 3,682]

Christmas palms are a local fan favorite.  Here are a few that stand out from the crowd.  Where possible, there are some Google Maps links if you want to see their progression.

Adonidia merrillii at the intersection of Fairmount and Lake Hollingsworth drive.  These are not the oldest in town, but they are at least in competition for the largest.  They show up on Google maps to June 2016, so they were added sometime between 2011 and 2016 as mature specimens.  They set lots of viable fruit each year and definitely handled the January 2018 advective freeze down to 28F with 10+ hours below freezing.  You can only see the first specimen well from the Google Street view from Lake Hollingsworth Dr as the view from Fairmount only goes to 2011.  They should be around for a while since the siting is almost perfect.  The house has a south southeastern exposure, blocking the north wind entirely and cutting the west wind.

June 2016

February 2017 (Setting Fruit)

February 2019

More Adonidia merrillii just up the hill from the above framing the doorway.  You can see a small inflorescence coming off the palm on the right side.  These made it through the 2010-2011 winter as small palms and recovered from near defoliation.  The lowest official temperature they have seen is 26F in 2015.  The siting here is not quite as good as the two above since the house has a northern exposure.  This site is a little further up the hill, however.

May 2011 - View 1

May 2011 - View 2

These are a few that were installed after the Wendy's near the north side Wal-Mart was remodeled.  They experienced the same low of 26F in 2015, but have great siting on the south side of the building, with the one on the east side of the drive thru getting some extra shielding from the west winds.

April 2015

January 2019 - Closer View

February 2019

 

A few older, larger Ravenea rivularis that have been around for a while.  Unfortunately, it looks like they are not being fed appropriately.  Probably good targets for a stealth Florikan treatment.

[RedRabbit 1,526]

1 hour ago, kinzyjr said:

Christmas palms are a local fan favorite.  Here are a few that stand out from the crowd.  Where possible, there are some Google Maps links if you want to see their progression.

Adonidia merrillii at the intersection of Fairmount and Lake Hollingsworth drive.  These are not the oldest in town, but they are at least in competition for the largest.  They show up on Google maps to June 2016, so they were added sometime between 2011 and 2016 as mature specimens.  They set lots of viable fruit each year and definitely handled the January 2018 advective freeze down to 28F with 10+ hours below freezing.  You can only see the first specimen well from the Google Street view from Lake Hollingsworth Dr as the view from Fairmount only goes to 2011.  They should be around for a while since the siting is almost perfect.  The house has a south southeastern exposure, blocking the north wind entirely and cutting the west wind.

June 2016

February 2017 (Setting Fruit)

February 2019

More Adonidia merrillii just up the hill from the above framing the doorway.  You can see a small inflorescence coming off the palm on the right side.  These made it through the 2010-2011 winter as small palms and recovered from near defoliation.  The lowest official temperature they have seen is 26F in 2015.  The siting here is not quite as good as the two above since the house has a northern exposure.  This site is a little further up the hill, however.

May 2011 - View 1

May 2011 - View 2

These are a few that were installed after the Wendy's near the north side Wal-Mart was remodeled.  They experienced the same low of 26F in 2015, but have great siting on the south side of the building, with the one on the east side of the drive thru getting some extra shielding from the west winds.

April 2015

January 2019 - Closer View

February 2019

 

A few older, larger Ravenea rivularis that have been around for a while.  Unfortunately, it looks like they are not being fed appropriately.  Probably good targets for a stealth Florikan treatment.

Those adonidia are really starting to look nice. They're gorgeous palms when mature, but there are so few mature ones in this area. 

[RedRabbit 1,526]

I drove past a pretty big ficus today. It's difficult to see in streetview and looks bigger in person.  Its probably the 3rd or 4th biggest I've seen in Hillsborough County.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485542,-82.5195737,3a,75y,28.74h,98.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNONFuRY6ExAcgs8Lw2xbcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Its just a few doors down from a pre-2010 coconut that looks kind of small for it's age:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485484,-82.5205894,3a,37.5y,324.82h,95.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWH1HEt0TThPa1Vh5NWeaVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Edited February 20, 2020 by RedRabbit

[JJPalmer 284]

13 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I drove past a pretty big ficus today. It's difficult to see in streetview and looks bigger in person.  Its probably the 3rd or 4th biggest I've seen in Hillsborough County.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485542,-82.5195737,3a,75y,28.74h,98.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNONFuRY6ExAcgs8Lw2xbcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Its just a few doors down from a pre-2010 coconut that looks kind of small for it's age:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485484,-82.5205894,3a,37.5y,324.82h,95.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWH1HEt0TThPa1Vh5NWeaVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It looks like the coco really started growing once the canopy overhead was cut back.  Unfortunately, I am assuming the canopy was part of the reason it was spared in 2010.

[JJPalmer 284]

A couple of interesting google maps finds from today:

Several large pre-2010 coconuts in Ozona: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0664305,-82.7832793,3a,41.5y,12.21h,101.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZjkLpl28TeCmqlIv3ZaS1A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Pretty good sized ficus benghalensis in Dunedin: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0214977,-82.7895716,3a,73.5y,286.68h,97.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq1_BSUsMGM4QnFPcVyHe6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Some incredibly impressive pre-2010 cocos on Piney Point in Tarpon Springs.  Impressively tall, and from google maps they have been rather impressive since at least 2007. Any chance these could be the northernmost pre-2010 cocos on the west coast?  https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1626998,-82.795615,3a,18.6y,191.22h,100.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sg8Dy8dDW5X9KroMSn2-_Pg!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Edited February 20, 2020 by JJPalmer

[RedRabbit 1,526]

13 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

It looks like the coco really started growing once the canopy overhead was cut back.  Unfortunately, I am assuming the canopy was part of the reason it was spared in 2010.

Yeah, I bet the shade is what made it relatively slow.  The neighborhood it's in is fairly warm, but I'm sure the canopy and being planted close to the house helped keep it alive. 

13 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

A couple of interesting google maps finds from today:

Several large pre-2010 coconuts in Ozona: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0664305,-82.7832793,3a,41.5y,12.21h,101.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZjkLpl28TeCmqlIv3ZaS1A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Pretty good sized ficus benghalensis in Dunedin: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0214977,-82.7895716,3a,73.5y,286.68h,97.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq1_BSUsMGM4QnFPcVyHe6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Some incredibly impressive pre-2010 cocos on Piney Point in Tarpon Springs.  Impressively tall, and from google maps they have been rather impressive since at least 2007. Any chance these could be the northernmost pre-2010 cocos on the west coast?  https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1626998,-82.795615,3a,18.6y,191.22h,100.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sg8Dy8dDW5X9KroMSn2-_Pg!2e0!5s20190101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Nice finds! 

I think the ficus is actually benjamina. I'm beginning to wonder if they might be underrated for cold tolerance.  Allegedly they're one of the more cold-sensitive ficus, but I've seen a few established ones growing in the Countryway neighborhood which is 9b. 

Great find on the Piney Point coconuts. As far as we know on Palmtalk, the furthest north pre-2010 coconuts live in New Port Richey.  The ones you found are impressive though, I wasn't aware of them and there are very few that far north.

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by RedRabbit

[JJPalmer 284]

Something I assume to be a form of Pandanus, but I’m new to this so I’m not sure if that is accurate or even “remarkable“. Found this in Dunedin - a very exotic looking plant. 

[kinzyjr 3,682]

9 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

Something I assume to be a form of Pandanus, but I’m new to this so I’m not sure if that is accurate or even “remarkable“. Found this in Dunedin - a very exotic looking plant.

Looks like Pandanus utilis: https://www.south-florida-plant-guide.com/screw-pine.html

[JJPalmer 284]

3 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Looks like Pandanus utilis: https://www.south-florida-plant-guide.com/screw-pine.html

UFL has it at a 10B plant. Interesting. http://hort.ufl.edu/trees/PANUTIA.pdf

[RedRabbit 1,526]

22 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

UFL has it at a 10B plant. Interesting. http://hort.ufl.edu/trees/PANUTIA.pdf

There’s a mature one growing not far from my old house in Carrollwood so I’m guessing they’re really 9B plants. 

[JJPalmer 284]

2 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

There’s a mature one growing not far from my old house in Carrollwood so I’m guessing they’re really 9B plants. 

Sounds about right - cool plants regardless.

[RedRabbit 1,526]

38 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

Sounds about right - cool plants regardless.

I agree, it’s too bad they’re not grown more often. 

[RedRabbit 1,526]

 

On 2/19/2020 at 8:59 PM, RedRabbit said:

I drove past a pretty big ficus today. It's difficult to see in streetview and looks bigger in person.  Its probably the 3rd or 4th biggest I've seen in Hillsborough County.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485542,-82.5195737,3a,75y,28.74h,98.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNONFuRY6ExAcgs8Lw2xbcA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

Its just a few doors down from a pre-2010 coconut that looks kind of small for it's age:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9485484,-82.5205894,3a,37.5y,324.82h,95.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWH1HEt0TThPa1Vh5NWeaVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Here are a couple pics I took of the ficus since I didn’t think streetview did it justice.

[RedRabbit 1,526]

@SWFLchris thanks for the rep, that brought me up to 1,000. 

[The7thLegend 69]

On 2/18/2020 at 3:06 PM, RedRabbit said:

Manatee and Sarasota Counties are indeed within the scope of this thread.

Here's some beauties from the Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota taken September 2018...

[RedRabbit 1,526]

18 minutes ago, The7thLegend said:

Here's some beauties from the Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota taken September 2018...

It looks like they were still working off some winter damage from earlier in the year. That area didn’t get hit bad, but I do recall there being some mild damage from the freeze. 
 

Ringling is one of my favorite places to visit in the Tampa Bay Area. Id highly recommend it to those who haven’t already been. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by RedRabbit

[kinzyjr 3,682]

Possibly a pair of Howea forsteriana near Lake Hollingsworth.  If so, they've been there since sometime between 2011 and 2015 according to the views on Google Maps.

[RedRabbit 1,526]

To the best of our knowledge, the most northern Pre-2010 coconut is New Port Richey and Pre-1980s is/was Anna Maria Island. 
 

Does anyone know what the limits have been for royals?

I know there’s a Pre-80s royal on Davis Island, but I assume there’s something further north in Pinellas County. Perhaps Clearwater or Dunedin? For Pre-2010 I’m thinking Hudson but there could be a few in coastal Hernando.

Edited March 5, 2020 by RedRabbit

[JJPalmer 284]

On 3/5/2020 at 1:04 AM, RedRabbit said:

To the best of our knowledge, the most northern Pre-2010 coconut is New Port Richey and Pre-1980s is/was Anna Maria Island. 
 

Does anyone know what the limits have been for royals?

I know there’s a Pre-80s royal on Davis Island, but I assume there’s something further north in Pinellas County. Perhaps Clearwater or Dunedin? For Pre-2010 I’m thinking Hudson but there could be a few in coastal Hernando.

I'll keep a look out for some contenders - all the "mature" royals in the Dunedin area I can think of were planted just prior to 2010.

[JJPalmer 284]

Four very tall adonidia off Kennedy in Tampa.  They look to be old enough to have set seed in 2007 - definitely benefit from being on the south side of the building. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9447888,-82.4801468,3a,34.1y,4.45h,93.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s929uQ3-WWXutyFxoUycMjQ!2e0!5s20181201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[RedRabbit 1,526]

1 hour ago, JJPalmer said:

I'll keep a look out for some contenders - all the "mature" royals in the Dunedin area I can think of were planted just prior to 2010.

Cool, thanks. Plenty of older royals in St. Pete but I’m not sure further north.

1 hour ago, JJPalmer said:

Four very tall adonidia off Kennedy in Tampa.  They look to be old enough to have set seed in 2007 - definitely benefit from being on the south side of the building. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9447888,-82.4801468,3a,34.1y,4.45h,93.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s929uQ3-WWXutyFxoUycMjQ!2e0!5s20181201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

I drive past these all the time. 

There are some large fully exposed adonidia by Westshore Plaza, I’ll post a pic later if I can. There are actually 2010 survivors all the way into Carrollwood.

[kinzyjr 3,682]

A new planting of Mule Palms on Kentucky Ave. in Downtown Lakeland.

[NickJames 1,040]

17 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

A new planting of Mule Palms on Kentucky Ave. in Downtown Lakeland.

Gorgeous! Glad it’s not sidewalk popping live oaks. Eye roll. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword 908]

On 2/18/2020 at 7:29 PM, RedRabbit said:

Here are a few coconuts I'm pretty sure are pre-1980s:

1. Lido Key    https://www.google.com/maps/@27.3150428,-82.5799556,3a,75y,41.2h,115.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipPbteE2XC_34WOIBFxmqRTsPRpbx2PxvSBx1vhy!2e10!3e11!7i7680!8i3840

The coconut in the center probably is probably >50'. Note that the condo would have shielded it from northerly winds. 

 

2.  Venice Beach

a.) https://www.google.com/maps/@27.104603,-82.462522,3a,30y,89.14h,92.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdvfCr0eabGGeBkIbZJhDfQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DdvfCr0eabGGeBkIbZJhDfQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D247.34955%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

b.) https://www.google.com/maps/@27.1061124,-82.4631363,3a,30y,79.72h,94.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4VVkklarQY-shklqtZeD5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The images aren't great, but you can tell how tall they are from the condos in the background. Its not just these two either, there are few more that seem pretty tall from streetview... The coldest the Venice airport recorded in the 80s was 25f so it was probably a couple degrees warmer directly at the beach. Its not hard to see how some coconuts like these could survive that.

 

I actually noticed those ones in Venice too. I have a couple shots too. 

This one isn't as tall but I think it might be of Jamaican Tall variety. 

There were a few tall ones on Manasota key I saw.  There were a few big ones that looked to be Jamaican talls but one was killed during the 2011 freeze and the other was cut down last year for seemingly no reason. I saw a few others that were Malayan Dwarfs but were very tall and old looking. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[RedRabbit 1,526]

6 minutes ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

I actually noticed those ones in Venice too. I have a couple shots too. 

This one isn't as tall but I think it might be of Jamaican Tall variety. 

There were a few tall ones on Manasota key I saw.  There were a few big ones that looked to be Jamaican talls but one was killed during the 2011 freeze and the other was cut down last year for seemingly no reason. I saw a few others that were Malayan Dwarfs but were very tall and old looking. 

Thanks, it looks like the condos might be offering them some protection.

Thanks for mentioning that about Manasota. I’ve been wondering about the climate there... At some point you transition to 10b and as far as I know that’s Boca Grande, but perhaps it’s Manasota if there are older coconuts. I’ve only been there once but I like how it’s quiet down there. 

[Mr.SamuraiSword 908]

14 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Thanks, it looks like the condos might be offering them some protection.

Thanks for mentioning that about Manasota. I’ve been wondering about the climate there... At some point you transition to 10b and as far as I know that’s Boca Grande, but perhaps it’s Manasota if there are older coconuts. I’ve only been there once but I like how it’s quiet down there. 

Here are the coconuts i mentioned. I assume these first 3 photos are of malayan dwarfs (1 and 2 are the same palm) although I'm sure there are a couple more this size around.   

this one I couldn't get a great photo due to the canopy of the nearby tree and it was leaning but had quite a bit more trunk than in this photo and was a around the same height as the 3rd one. 

The taller one in the center also could be pre 89 

Bonus shot of a huge royal in Englewood. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[RedRabbit 1,526]

Thanks for sharing the pics! I suspect those are pre-1980s but I’m not completely sure. Where is this in Manasota? 

[Mr.SamuraiSword 908]

50 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Thanks for sharing the pics! I suspect those are pre-1980s but I’m not completely sure. Where is this in Manasota? 

This is on the key near englewood beach on various side roads. 

[JJPalmer 284]

Not as impressive as some of the other postings, but there are some beautiful Dypsis lutescens near Edgewater in Dunedin.  Probably the tallest specimen I've seen this far north - taller than the chimney on the house!

In addition - drove through feather sound area and there are plenty of beautiful palms including these pre-2010 cocos. The whole area seems like an awesome climate with the bay directly north.  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9040162,-82.6624878,3a,37.5y,211.67h,98.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSsAECa8Jz9adhrhIOtCu6A!2e0!5s20180601T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[JJPalmer 284]

In regards to pre-1980's northern Royals, here is a possible example in Clearwater:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9552799,-82.8048114,3a,75y,317.41h,104.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sV_4rntfH2RYMxpFm31sUbg!2e0!5s20190301T000000!7i16384!8i8192

I'm sure there are examples near the beaches - but I haven't seen any north of this one yet.

 

[RedRabbit 1,526]

On 3/19/2020 at 8:36 PM, JJPalmer said:

Not as impressive as some of the other postings, but there are some beautiful Dypsis lutescens near Edgewater in Dunedin.  Probably the tallest specimen I've seen this far north - taller than the chimney on the house!

In addition - drove through feather sound area and there are plenty of beautiful palms including these pre-2010 cocos. The whole area seems like an awesome climate with the bay directly north.  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9040162,-82.6624878,3a,37.5y,211.67h,98.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSsAECa8Jz9adhrhIOtCu6A!2e0!5s20180601T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Nice finds! That area by the airport does seem pretty warm. 

22 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

In regards to pre-1980's northern Royals, here is a possible example in Clearwater:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9552799,-82.8048114,3a,75y,317.41h,104.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sV_4rntfH2RYMxpFm31sUbg!2e0!5s20190301T000000!7i16384!8i8192

I'm sure there are examples near the beaches - but I haven't seen any north of this one yet.

 

It looks pre-80s to me. I don’t see trunk damage though so I’m not sure if it was actually there in the 80s or brought up later with some size.

[kinzyjr 3,682]

Just did a quick review of this thread and realized that @tropical1 was the only one to post any Caryota sp. 

Here are a few Caryota obtusa (syn. Caryota gigas) that have been around for a while.  If you look closely, you can also see a smaller Caryota no off to the right.

Caryota obtusa + Caryota no - Lake Wire - Lakeland, FL

The first attached photo is the Caryota no (center of the photo) in November 2019 and the second photo are the two Caryota obtusa the same day.

[kinzyjr 3,682]

One of the nicer private gardens in urban Lakeland, complete with Screw Pine (Pandanus utilis), Bottle Palm (Hyophorbe lagenicaulis) and a newly added Coconut Palm (Cocos nucifera).  The first photo didn't come out very clear, but you can see some of the palms.  I wasn't able to identify the new palms lining the driveway.  In the second photo, you can see the Pandanus utilis is starting to form its signature stilt roots.  The owner is perpetually adding plants and working on this landscape and is a relatively young tropical plants enthusiast.  You can see some of the changes over time on Google Maps: Lakeland Private Garden

[kinzyjr 3,682]

A well-planted garden near South Florida Avenue with Dypsis decaryi, Bismarckia nobilis, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (I think due to the green undersides), and Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (if you look closely near the 2nd Bismarck) represented if you move around on Google street view.  On the left side of the driveway, is that second palm an Elaeis?

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25 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

A well-planted garden near South Florida Avenue with Dypsis decaryi, Bismarckia nobilis, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (I think due to the green undersides), and Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (if you look closely near the 2nd Bismarck) represented if you move around on Google street view.  On the left side of the driveway, is that second palm an Elaeis?

I suspect it is an Elaeis guineensis. Great find, that’s a really rare palm for this area. That’s one I’ve been tempted to try, I remember @SubTropicRay said his died in 2010 but @Walt’s survived so there might be some hope for them in Central Florida. 

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Just now, RedRabbit said:

I suspect it is an Elaeis guineensis. Great find, that’s a really rare palm for this area. That’s one I’ve been tempted to try, I remember @SubTropicRay said his died in 2010 but @Walt’s survived so there might be some hope for them in Central Florida. 

Thanks for the ID.  I've seen them near the coast, but they are unusual around here.  If it reaches mature size, they might decide they don't want it that close to the driveway.