kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, GottmitAlex said: Look at the 2:00 mark. 1 hour ago, Palmaceae said: Yeah I heard about this guy, he is open for one month during the year, I will have to check it out! I've bought some stuff off of him before. He's a pretty nice guy. When I checked out the coconuts he had after the 2010 freeze, a lot of them were just too damaged to pick up at the time. Had they not been damaged though... pretty good price on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 Some additional information on the palms in the pictures I posted on the first page of the thread: Dypsis lasteliana (?): near City Hall - This palm can be confirmed as far back as November of 2007. City Hall Dypsis Ptychosperma elegans: Downtown near the Publix parking garage. - This palm can be confirmed back to 2015. Publix Parking Garage Ptychosperma Archies outside of City Hall: - These can be confirmed back to April 2008. City Hall Archies One of the smaller Pseudophoenix sargentii in town, but it was in flower: Has been confirmed to Feb. 2017. Publix Parking Garage - Psuedophoenix sargentii (Below are not pictured in my initial posts) Pseudophoenix sargentii in front of City Hall: One has been there since November of 2007. City Hall - Psuedophoenix sargentii Mystery palm #1: Not 100% sure what this is, but it is a crownshaft palm that may have been there since 2007. Mystery Palm #1 - Recent photo Mystery Palm #1 - 2007 picture For those curious about cold hardiness observations, these are our Jan. 2010 freeze observations and yearly annual lows according to the data from Wunderground, recorded at KLAL. Thus far in 2019, our annual low was between 36F and 39F and will hopefully stay that way. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, kinzyjr said: Some additional information on the palms in the pictures I posted on the first page of the thread: Dypsis lasteliana (?): near City Hall - This palm can be confirmed as far back as November of 2007. City Hall Dypsis Ptychosperma elegans: Downtown near the Publix parking garage. - This palm can be confirmed back to 2015. Publix Parking Garage Ptychosperma Archies outside of City Hall: - These can be confirmed back to April 2008. City Hall Archies One of the smaller Pseudophoenix sargentii in town, but it was in flower: Has been confirmed to Feb. 2017. Publix Parking Garage - Psuedophoenix sargentii (Below are not pictured in my initial posts) Pseudophoenix sargentii in front of City Hall: One has been there since November of 2007. City Hall - Psuedophoenix sargentii Mystery palm #1: Not 100% sure what this is, but it is a crownshaft palm that may have been there since 2007. Mystery Palm #1 - Recent photo Mystery Palm #1 - 2007 picture For those curious about cold hardiness observations, these are our Jan. 2010 freeze observations and yearly annual lows according to the data from Wunderground, recorded at KLAL. Thus far in 2019, our annual low was between 36F and 39F and will hopefully stay that way. Your mystery palm looks like a dictyosperma. Edited September 7, 2019 by RedRabbit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xenon 998 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, RedRabbit said: Your mystery palm looks like a dictyosperma. Looks more like Satakentia imo 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardypalms 29 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 What happened in the video at 2:00? I see the guy in front of potted Cocos nucifera, is that it? Thxs Pat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeeth 2,247 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Xenon said: Looks more like Satakentia imo Agreed on Satakentia, though the 2007 picture does look a lot like Dictyosperma and I would expect a Satakentia to be bigger at that age. Maybe it was a Dictyosperma that didn't survive 2010 and was replanted with Satakentia? Either way it's pretty cool for a public planting! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew92 898 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) On 9/2/2019 at 12:38 PM, Mr.SamuraiSword said: HUGE Washingtonia size Sabal palmetto on the inner side of the Tampa Bay https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7842935,-82.4257038,3a,34.2y,65.32h,98.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZE9KJ3PTVh7Yd0247KlcUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Wow- very old. I think it's very possible that one could be remaining from when that lot was undeveloped. They don't usually grow that tall unless in a forest competing for light. Edited September 7, 2019 by Matthew92 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xenon 998 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, Zeeth said: Agreed on Satakentia, though the 2007 picture does look a lot like Dictyosperma and I would expect a Satakentia to be bigger at that age. Maybe it was a Dictyosperma that didn't survive 2010 and was replanted with Satakentia? Either way it's pretty cool for a public planting! Also looks like it may have been a cycad. Whoever did the landscaping is definitely into cycads; impressive variety for a public space...nearly all the major genera represented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 @RedRabbit @Xenon@Zeeth Thank you for weighing in. This picture taken on 08/31/2019 might help nail it down: 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: @RedRabbit @Xenon@Zeeth Thank you for weighing in. This picture taken on 08/31/2019 might help nail it down: I think @Xenon was right about it being a Satakentia. Great to see one doing so well there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 13, 2019 A few of the many clumps of Dypsis in the area. These are on South Blvd. near Lake Morton. Link 1 Link 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruskinPalms 424 Report post Posted September 13, 2019 Royals Some Royal palms that have been there a long time. Survived 2010. This is not a warm area of Hillsborough county... they take foliage damage most years 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 16, 2019 Majesties As I've noted elsewhere, there are some big majesty's growing in NW Hillsborough. There must be something different with the soil to where they're able to prosper. I just stumbled upon these tonight and thought you all might want to see. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FishEyeAquaculture 276 Report post Posted September 16, 2019 7 hours ago, RedRabbit said: ....some big majesty's growing in NW Hillsborough. There must be something different with the soil to where they're able to prosper. Swampland turned into residential. The water table is probably only 4' down at the most. If you dig a large/deep hole in that area, it will be filled with water by the next morning. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric in Orlando 3,919 Report post Posted September 17, 2019 There are Archontophoenix alexandrae and Pseudophoenix sargentii at Hollis Garden in Lakeland that have been there for awhile. Also Pandanus utilis. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Eric in Orlando said: There are Archontophoenix alexandrae and Pseudophoenix sargentii at Hollis Garden in Lakeland that have been there for awhile. Also Pandanus utilis. What is the easiest way to tell alexandrae apart from cunninghamiana? We have both here and @PalmTreeDude may be right about the palms in front of City Hall. City Hall - Archontophoenix Google Maps 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric in Orlando 3,919 Report post Posted September 18, 2019 A. alexandrae have brighter green colored leaves and crownshafts. The leaves are also silvery on the undersides . A. cunninghamiana are more olive green colored in the crownshaft with speckles and leaves with no silvery undersides. A. cunninghamiana leaves are a bit more droopy too. A. alexandrae have white colored inflorescences and A. cunninghamiana have more lilac colored ones. A. alexandrae is also slightly less hardy. 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonoranfans 1,729 Report post Posted September 18, 2019 I have an alexandre triple planted from 1 gallon seedlings(MB palms) in summer 2010. I covered most of them for the dec 2010 cold front(28x2 with frost). Given that every exposed leaf was fried these probably arent alive today if not being covered. I had some small royals and foxtails die as well as foxy ladies. These would be with them, in palm heaven, if not for the overhead netting. the fence is 7' for scale. today my yard has more canopy, including palm canopy so it may take a 30 year cold to take them out. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 19, 2019 @sonoranfans I had one that experienced leaf burn on approximately half the fronds during the Jan. 2018 advective freeze. Thought it had made it since it didn't totally fry, but it took a dive from a fungal infection after the freeze. I have another one now, but who knows for how long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 Using the ID tips from Eric, I can confirm that the palms in front of City Hall have the silvery color underneath. They much more closely resemble Archontophoenix alexandrae than Archontophoenix cunninghamiana due to the silver color and deeper green crownshaft. With this, Archontophoenix alexandrae can be confirmed as surviving 2010 in downtown Lakeland, FL. Thank you to @PalmTreeDude for inquiring and for @Eric in Orlando providing me with the ID tips to correct my mistake. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: Using the ID tips from Eric, I can confirm that the palms in front of City Hall have the silvery color underneath. They much more closely resemble Archontophoenix alexandrae than Archontophoenix cunninghamiana due to the silver color and deeper green crownshaft. With this, Archontophoenix alexandrae can be confirmed as surviving 2010 in downtown Lakeland, FL. Thank you to @PalmTreeDude for inquiring and for @Eric in Orlando providing me with the ID tips to correct my mistake. I’ve been pretty impressed by Lakeland. The urban portion seems to be on par with Orlando for palms. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PalmTreeDude 1,644 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, kinzyjr said: Using the ID tips from Eric, I can confirm that the palms in front of City Hall have the silvery color underneath. They much more closely resemble Archontophoenix alexandrae than Archontophoenix cunninghamiana due to the silver color and deeper green crownshaft. With this, Archontophoenix alexandrae can be confirmed as surviving 2010 in downtown Lakeland, FL. Thank you to @PalmTreeDude for inquiring and for @Eric in Orlando providing me with the ID tips to correct my mistake. Now that is awesome to know! Alexandrae are not supposed to be as hardy as cunninghamiana. I heard they can get beat up by cold quite easily, especially if in an exposed spot. Edited September 21, 2019 by PalmTreeDude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruskinPalms 424 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 I always found alexandrae to grow much faster in my area but to not be as leaf hardy, absolutely hates any kind of frost. Cunninghamiana might be a little tougher overall but definitely they have been slower and more troublesome for me. I’ve lost most of my cunninghamiana to various bud rot issues. And I’ve found my slower palms in general have more trouble with bud rot. Fast palms for the win in this area! Even if they are less cold hardy overall, you might get more enjoyment out of them between freezes. (Cocos, adonidia, wodyetia, veitchia, hyophorbe, fast dypsis species - slow ones rot, roystonea) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonoranfans 1,729 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 HAHA, my alexandre were completely defoliated in that advective freeze, just an intact spear left on each of the 3 in the triple. They are just gettingn b ack to full crowns of 10-12 or so leaves each. Maxima and myolensis were similarly defoliated as was dypsis pembana, while the teddy bear and kentiopsis were only 70-80% toast. Royals were 50%+ burned at 35' tall. Usually its not so cold up there with a radiational event, but that advective event mostly kills the protective effect of canopy. So my archies survived the 2018 advective event but a month after they looked like they might not make it. Then they just kicked in, with maxima and alexandre leading the recovery, myolensis was a bit behind as its a bit slower palm. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, sonoranfans said: HAHA, my alexandre were completely defoliated in that advective freeze, just an intact spear left on each of the 3 in the triple. They are just gettingn b ack to full crowns of 10-12 or so leaves each. Maxima and myolensis were similarly defoliated as was dypsis pembana, while the teddy bear and kentiopsis were only 70-80% toast. Royals were 50%+ burned at 35' tall. Usually its not so cold up there with a radiational event, but that advective event mostly kills the protective effect of canopy. So my archies survived the 2018 advective event but a month after they looked like they might not make it. Then they just kicked in, with maxima and alexandre leading the recovery, myolensis was a bit behind as its a bit slower palm. It’s interesting to hear your d leptochellos took less damage than the archontophoenix. Mine was burned pretty good in that freeze too, but it is such a fast grower it managed to bounce right back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonoranfans 1,729 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 the dypsis leptocheilos was not over the house roofline as the archies were and it also had a sabal mexicana(?) and livistona nearby so that palm was more wind protected. I do remember that dypsis took the 2010 28F with frost and had an intact spear and 90% burn about 3-4" above the ground. The dypsis and kentiopsis O have tough spears against frost, must be an extra coating of insulation or something. Royals, dypsis pembana, foxtails, and archies(myola,alex,maxima) dont have tough spears like that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Palms 98 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 Hard to beat his prices Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 Roystonea regia: Confirmed 2010 survivor. More interesting fact: located in one of the highest elevations in Lakeland near the summit of the hill on Clubhouse Rd. Roystonea regia: Clubhouse Rd. Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (?): Present as of May 2011. Cannot confirm a previous planting date. Roughly 2/3 of the way up the "big hill." Hyophorbe - Sandy Knoll 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GottmitAlex 2,911 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: Roystonea regia: Confirmed 2010 survivor. More interesting fact: located in one of the highest elevations in Lakeland near the summit of the hill on Clubhouse Rd. Roystonea regia: Clubhouse Rd. Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (?): Present as of May 2011. Cannot confirm a previous planting date. Roughly 2/3 of the way up the "big hill." Hyophorbe - Sandy Knoll That looks like a lagenicaulis. Beautiful palms. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, GottmitAlex said: That looks like a lagenicaulis. Beautiful palms. I was up in the air on that one. Hyophorbe gives me fits. If you're right, and I don't doubt you are, that's even more impressive as Spindles are a notch hardier than Bottles. Definitely not the healthiest, but didn't necessarily expect to find one that lived that long on a north-facing property out in the open. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: I was up in the air on that one. Hyophorbe gives me fits. If you're right, and I don't doubt you are, that's even more impressive as Spindles are a notch hardier than Bottles. Definitely not the healthiest, but didn't necessarily expect to find one that lived that long on a north-facing property out in the open. I was thinking about getting a few spindles for my new place. Underrated palm in my opinion... I haven't seen many large ones though, do you know if there's a reason for that? Maybe a nutritional problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kinzyjr 3,688 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, RedRabbit said: I was thinking about getting a few spindles for my new place. Underrated palm in my opinion... I haven't seen many large ones though, do you know if there's a reason for that? Maybe a nutritional problem? Hyophorbe tend to get potassium deficiency if they aren't fertilized properly here, but under your more expert care, probably not an issue. As far as cold, Hyophorbe species are hit-and-miss here. You have the survivor above, but a lot of them took a nosedive in 2010. I can't say this with absolute certainty, but I think frost bites them harder than the ambient air temperature. There was a Bottle Palm (Hyophorbe lagenicaulis) down at Lake Hollingsworth at one time, but that lake sits in a "bowl" and the wind + cold + frost got it in Jan. 2010. The crown started bleeding and it disintegrated fast. Roughly 3/4 of the way up the hill from the lake on Cleveland Heights (where it meets Edgewood), a private garden is full of Hyophorbe, Adonidia, and Dypsis. Guess that's part of the fun. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: Hyophorbe tend to get potassium deficiency if they aren't fertilized properly here, but under your more expert care, probably not an issue. As far as cold, Hyophorbe species are hit-and-miss here. You have the survivor above, but a lot of them took a nosedive in 2010. I can't say this with absolute certainty, but I think frost bites them harder than the ambient air temperature. There was a Bottle Palm (Hyophorbe lagenicaulis) down at Lake Hollingsworth at one time, but that lake sits in a "bowl" and the wind + cold + frost got it in Jan. 2010. The crown started bleeding and it disintegrated fast. Roughly 3/4 of the way up the hill from the lake on Cleveland Heights (where it meets Edgewood), a private garden is full of Hyophorbe, Adonidia, and Dypsis. Guess that's part of the fun. Ahh, I bet potassium is the problem. I don't regularly see large ones even in warm spots. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Palm Harbor - Coconuts I found some nice coconuts growing next to Lake Tarpon: Edit: These have been there since before 2007. Edited September 29, 2019 by RedRabbit 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, RedRabbit said: Palm Harbor - Coconuts I found some nice coconuts growing next to Lake Tarpon: Edit: These have been there since before 2007. I just took a second look at the map and these coconuts are surprisngly far north: These may be the furthest north pre-2010 coconuts on the whole west coast of FL. Is anyone aware of coconuts further north than this? Perhaps Tarpon Springs? Edited September 29, 2019 by RedRabbit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GottmitAlex 2,911 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, RedRabbit said: I just took a second look at the map and these coconuts are surprisngly far north: These may be the furthest north pre-2010 coconuts on the whole west coast of FL. Is anyone aware of coconuts further north than this? Perhaps Tarpon Springs? Latitude? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, GottmitAlex said: Latitude? 28.11N 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeeth 2,247 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 Here's a small B. alfredii along bayshore blvd in Tampa. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRabbit 1,530 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Zeeth said: Here's a small B. alfredii along bayshore blvd in Tampa. I’ve noticed a few BA on Bayshore and was surprised to see them. Did you plant them? lol Edited September 29, 2019 by RedRabbit 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWFLchris 244 Report post Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 11:08 PM, RedRabbit said: I just took a second look at the map and these coconuts are surprisngly far north: These may be the furthest north pre-2010 coconuts on the whole west coast of FL. Is anyone aware of coconuts further north than this? Perhaps Tarpon Springs? I know of a group of 3 much taller ones planted behind a house on the water in New Port Richey. No idea how long they have been there though 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites