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1 hour ago, Chatta said:

Not sure if these were posted yet but heres some recently planted public Royal Palms planted on S.R. 54 and Community Dr (Odessa)
 

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There’s one neighborhood on Patterson where a lot of the houses have them. Odessa/Keystone actually has quite a few royals up there.

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On 9/4/2020 at 9:14 PM, JJPalmer said:

By far the tallest planting of adonidia I’ve seen around the Dunedin area.  They dwarf the house next door and are more than keeping up with the solitaires to the right. Pictures hardly do them justice - I haven’t seen adonidia’s close to this tall anywhere in the Tampa Bay Area except maybe S. St. Pete.

They even seemed to handle 2010/2011 quite well: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0122274,-82.7852843,3a,57.9y,6.07h,93.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skznpSBArxlds6gV7LIPTUw!2e0!5s20110301T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

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I believe the triple stem clump on the right is Ptychosperma elegans. But the 4 palms to the left are Adonidia.

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7 minutes ago, Eric in Orlando said:

I believe the triple stem clump on the right is Ptychosperma elegans. But the 4 palms to the left are Adonidia.

That’s correct! I posed it to show the comparison - rarely around here do you find both good specimens beside eachother.

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kinzyjr

The Concrete Jungle... the school brings the concrete, the Roystonea bring the jungle:

Alums Return to Teach From Experience as Harrison School for the Arts  Celebrates 25 Years - News - The Ledger - Lakeland, FL

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A pleasantly plump Pseudophoenix in flower:

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A few Foxtails in the back of a really nice "no grass" landscape:

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The link shows the rest of the garden relatively recently:

 https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0303481,-81.961232,3a,75y,33.62h,86.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQGPQUkhS5gVlqTIM9_4DlA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Relatively well-cared for Dypsis decaryi:

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5 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

A pleasantly plump Pseudophoenix in flower:

20200920_071833_FloweringPseudophoenix_1600.jpg

A few Foxtails in the back of a really nice "no grass" landscape:

20200920_072650_Foxtails_NiceGarden_1600.jpg

The link shows the rest of the garden relatively recently:

 https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0303481,-81.961232,3a,75y,33.62h,86.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQGPQUkhS5gVlqTIM9_4DlA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Relatively well-cared for Dypsis decaryi:

20200920_073915_Dypsis_decaryi_1600.jpg

Hello Kinzy, good pics, but the first palm is a Spindle.

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kinzyjr

Zombia antillarum

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A max protection garden.  You can see the fronds peeking out above the roof if you look closely.

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The outdoor atrium is pretty well shielded from wind and has a nice garden at ground level.

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The Foxtail is the palm clearing the roof

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A Foxtail crown up close and personal without the need for a ladder

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Took this shot out the side window while waiting for the light to change at the Ellenton I75 exit. Anyone care to ID the palms in the picture. I know palmate clumping palm is Everglades Palm. The others I could guess but would probably be wrong. 
 

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Silas_Sancona
3 minutes ago, ruskinPalms said:

Took this shot out the side window while waiting for the light to change at the Ellenton I75 exit. Anyone care to ID the palms in the picture. I know palmate clumping palm is Everglades Palm. The others I could guess but would probably be wrong. 
 

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Tall ones in the background are Veitchia.. Can't remember which sp.  Looking good too:greenthumb: Think the short blue palms are Latania.

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Xenon
1 hour ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Tall ones in the background are Veitchia.. Can't remember which sp.  Looking good too:greenthumb: Think the short blue palms are Latania.

Plus the African oil palm on the right 

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Cool thanks for IDs. Anyone know what type of Veitchia they are? I like them but they are probably too cold tender for this area for the long haul. Some did die there in the January 2018 freeze. But I guess most didn’t die so maybe they are worth a try?

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8 hours ago, ruskinPalms said:

Took this shot out the side window while waiting for the light to change at the Ellenton I75 exit. Anyone care to ID the palms in the picture. I know palmate clumping palm is Everglades Palm. The others I could guess but would probably be wrong. 
 

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Woah, I thought that lighting pole was some kind of monster Washie at first! :floor:

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CodyORB
5 hours ago, ruskinPalms said:

Cool thanks for IDs. Anyone know what type of Veitchia they are? I like them but they are probably too cold tender for this area for the long haul. Some did die there in the January 2018 freeze. But I guess most didn’t die so maybe they are worth a try?

V. Arecina is passed around as likely the most hardy of the Veitchia's. It would have the best shot of surviving the 31F Sarasota-Bradenton airport saw.

More interesting is if they were there in 2010. 3 nights below freezing, with an overall low of 28F: https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/fl/sarasota/KSRQ/date/2010-1

Edit: I found them on Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5305579,-82.5062224,3a,75y,55h,95.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8TkZSUI0smFAy25CELGlhA!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i3328!8i1664) They are post-2010 unfortunately.

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1 hour ago, CodyORB said:

V. Arecina is passed around as likely the most hardy of the Veitchia's. It would have the best shot of surviving the 31F Sarasota-Bradenton airport saw.

More interesting is if they were there in 2010. 3 nights below freezing, with an overall low of 28F: https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/fl/sarasota/KSRQ/date/2010-1

Edit: I found them on Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5305579,-82.5062224,3a,75y,55h,95.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8TkZSUI0smFAy25CELGlhA!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i3328!8i1664) They are post-2010 unfortunately.

I think those veitchia have at least a fighting chance. The river puts off quite a bit of heat, as does I-75 itself...

There’s a coconut that survived 2010 in Lakewood Ranch which should be colder than Ellenton. I believe it’s documented somewhere in this thread. 
 

Edit- Here it is:  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4392601,-82.452958,3a,75y,7.71h,85.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4iPDG3syIwEgA9Qy-yGvEA!2e0

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palmsOrl
On 9/20/2020 at 8:28 AM, kinzyjr said:

A pleasantly plump Pseudophoenix in flower:

20200920_071833_FloweringPseudophoenix_1600.jpg

A few Foxtails in the back of a really nice "no grass" landscape:

20200920_072650_Foxtails_NiceGarden_1600.jpg

The link shows the rest of the garden relatively recently:

 https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0303481,-81.961232,3a,75y,33.62h,86.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQGPQUkhS5gVlqTIM9_4DlA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Relatively well-cared for Dypsis decaryi:

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Frankly, I am not a big fan of D. decaryi, but that is a handsome specimen.

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JJPalmer

This may be a little off topic for this specific thread, but considering it exclusively discusses the Tampa Bay Area I figured I’d ask. Any recommendations for nursery’s in the St. Pete area with higher quality selections / more varieties than the Big Box stores? Just purchased a house and would love to support a local nursery. 

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26 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

This may be a little off topic for this specific thread, but considering it exclusively discusses the Tampa Bay Area I figured I’d ask. Any recommendations for nursery’s in the St. Pete area with higher quality selections / more varieties than the Big Box stores? Just purchased a house and would love to support a local nursery. 

Contact Palmtalker SWFLchris via private message.  He has a great selection of very healthy palms at reasonable prices and he is located near Tampa.

-Michael

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Silas_Sancona
12 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I think those veitchia have at least a fighting chance. The river puts off quite a bit of heat, as does I-75 itself...

There’s a coconut that survived 2010 in Lakewood Ranch which should be colder than Ellenton. I believe it’s documented somewhere in this thread. 
 

Edit- Here it is:  https://www.google.com/maps/@27.4392601,-82.452958,3a,75y,7.71h,85.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4iPDG3syIwEgA9Qy-yGvEA!2e0

Agree.. Ellenton might be a touch cooler than Bradenton proper, but definitely warmer than ol' Lakewood Ranch generally.. Don't see why this Veitchia, maybe 1 of the other 2 most commonly encountered sp. there wouldn't do fine there ( in Parrish/ Ellenton ) Plenty of seed of the Kopsick specimens yearly to play around with, so no big deal if you loose some - compared w/ buying something that gets fried in bad year.. and fairly likely you might end up w/ some hybrid specimens which might be even hardier than the parents too from Kopsick seed since their collection of Veitchia sp are planted within feet of each other.  Wish i had access to seed off them atm myself.

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kinzyjr
On 10/3/2020 at 1:15 PM, ruskinPalms said:

Took this shot out the side window while waiting for the light to change at the Ellenton I75 exit. Anyone care to ID the palms in the picture. I know palmate clumping palm is Everglades Palm. The others I could guess but would probably be wrong.

I'm familiar with the palms planted here.  I noticed them on my way back from Selby and Rob Branch's house after our CFPACS meeting on March 7th, 2020.  I have a feeling they will be around for a bit.  There are Veitchia in Polk County:

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/61172-remarkable-palms-of-tampa-bay/&do=findComment&comment=921058

... as well as Latania

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/61172-remarkable-palms-of-tampa-bay/&do=findComment&comment=913896

I'd imagine this location is at least as warm as the locations of the palms above.  The Veitchia above have been through 2008/2010/2018 freeze events.

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32 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

I'm familiar with the palms planted here.  I noticed them on my way back from Selby and Rob Branch's house after our CFPACS meeting on March 7th, 2020.  I have a feeling they will be around for a bit.  There are Veitchia in Polk County:

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/61172-remarkable-palms-of-tampa-bay/&do=findComment&comment=921058

... as well as Latania

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/61172-remarkable-palms-of-tampa-bay/&do=findComment&comment=913896

I'd imagine this location is at least as warm as the locations of the palms above.  The Veitchia above have been through 2008/2010/2018 freeze events.

Can't speak for 2008 or '18 but don't remember much damage on these at any time i lived in the area. Ones planted nearby, south side of the river along either side of 75 may have had some damage after 2010 but may have not been properly cared for after planting as well.. Remember some of them looking rough a few times i were passing through. Look pretty good on Streetview now. 

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JJPalmer

Went on my first long walk to downtown after moving from Dunedin to St. Pete. If you haven’t had the chance to walk along Coffepot Bayou, you’re missing out on some spectacular plantings. More reminiscent of Miami and Naples than Central Florida.  Didn’t take many pictures except for a coconut growing on the beach near Kopsick, but it was a beautiful day to be out and about. 

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Chatta
19 minutes ago, JJPalmer said:

Went on my first long walk to downtown after moving from Dunedin to St. Pete. If you haven’t had the chance to walk along Coffepot Bayou, you’re missing out on some spectacular plantings. More reminiscent of Miami and Naples than Central Florida.  Didn’t take many pictures except for a coconut growing on the beach near Kopsick, but it was a beautiful day to be out and about. 

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You wouldnt believe how beautiful that is at sunrise. The sun rises just over the water from there. 118765451_1214001478980343_1740396434187145975_o.thumb.jpg.acbefc4ea34556be4b192dafd48af364.jpg

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4 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

Went on my first long walk to downtown after moving from Dunedin to St. Pete. If you haven’t had the chance to walk along Coffepot Bayou, you’re missing out on some spectacular plantings. More reminiscent of Miami and Naples than Central Florida.  Didn’t take many pictures except for a coconut growing on the beach near Kopsick, but it was a beautiful day to be out and about. 

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When I first went to that beach in 2007 I think there were actually 3 coconuts growing there. Something happened to the other two and unfortunately they weren’t replaced. :(

4 hours ago, Chatta said:

You wouldnt believe how beautiful that is at sunrise. The sun rises just over the water from there. 118765451_1214001478980343_1740396434187145975_o.thumb.jpg.acbefc4ea34556be4b192dafd48af364.jpg

Yeah it’s pretty nice, I used to have a similar view from my dorm at USF. Living in St. Pete was great, I might move back there one day.

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I found two, quite mature coconuts on the campus of PSCU north of St. Pete.  I have yet to see these mentioned on the forums, but they're some of the most impressive specimen I have seen in the county.  Below is a picture and link to streetview from 2011 where they seemed to weather 2010 and 2011 winters quite well, all things considered.   I was impressed to say the least!

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https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8837995,-82.6653089,3a,15y,58.74h,91.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8SVmod3XZ-bJLdzjuz0hgQ!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i13312!8i6656

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2 hours ago, JJPalmer said:

I found two, quite mature coconuts on the campus of PSCU north of St. Pete.  I have yet to see these mentioned on the forums, but they're some of the most impressive specimen I have seen in the county.  Below is a picture and link to streetview from 2011 where they seemed to weather 2010 and 2011 winters quite well, all things considered.   I was impressed to say the least!

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https://www.google.com/maps/@27.8837995,-82.6653089,3a,15y,58.74h,91.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8SVmod3XZ-bJLdzjuz0hgQ!2e0!5s20110401T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Great find! Logically that area should have a favorable microclimate since it has Tampa Bay to the north, but I haven’t seen much posted on the forums about it. 

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Seemed they grew quickly between ‘07 and ‘11, and much slower since. Probably were planted in the late-90’s or early-00’s.  The building also blocks northerly winds - a pretty prime location for mature Coco’s!

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Chatta

Plant Park is such a beautiful park with great potential, I think I am going to do my landscape architecture thesis on a rennovation of it, mostly just focusing on a new planting design and finishing paths completing riverwalk and such. This should be Tampa's Botanical Garden. They really need some sexy palms i mean look at this view.
P. reclinata, p. canarensis, s. palmetto, all present. Why no royal palms? I'd love to try a coconut in this spot! esp by the river. Baccariophoenix. I mean how about some other trees too... So much potential.
 

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I think theres a double headed sabal there?

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I have to say, though I do not consider Sabal palmetto to be an attractive palm generally speaking, those in that last photo are lovely.

That said, the park could use a bit of palm diversity.

-Michael

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SWFLchris
On 11/5/2020 at 6:20 PM, Chatta said:

I have a bunch of stuff that I would be happy to donate, reach out and maybe we can arrange something 727-687-0389

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On 11/5/2020 at 6:24 PM, Chatta said:

Plant Park is such a beautiful park with great potential, I think I am going to do my landscape architecture thesis on a rennovation of it, mostly just focusing on a new planting design and finishing paths completing riverwalk and such. This should be Tampa's Botanical Garden. They really need some sexy palms i mean look at this view.
P. reclinata, p. canarensis, s. palmetto, all present. Why no royal palms? I'd love to try a coconut in this spot! esp by the river. Baccariophoenix. I mean how about some other trees too... So much potential.
 

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I think theres a double headed sabal there?

Something tells me UT probably wouldn’t be up for more planting. You can’t really put more there without obstructing the view of the river and downtown.

FWIW, that area does seem pretty warm. There aren’t many Ficus aurea in Tampa, but I’ve seen a number of them growing along Cypress Ave there so it’s probably warmer than most of the Interbay Peninsula.

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SWFLchris
12 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

Something tells me UT probably wouldn’t be up for more planting. You can’t really put more there without obstructing the view of the river and downtown.

FWIW, that area does seem pretty warm. There aren’t many Ficus aurea in Tampa, but I’ve seen a number of them growing along Cypress Ave there so it’s probably warmer than most of the Interbay Peninsula.

If somebody can get confirmation, or find another suitable spot in the area, please let me know, I have been wanting to do something like that, have some nice 15 and 25 gallon stuff.

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RedRabbit
2 hours ago, SWFLchris said:

If somebody can get confirmation, or find another suitable spot in the area, please let me know, I have been wanting to do something like that, have some nice 15 and 25 gallon stuff.

Picnic Island might be worth a try. It probably has the best microclimate in Tampa and they’ve got room to spare. I’m not sure who you’d get in touch with about this.

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3 hours ago, SWFLchris said:

If somebody can get confirmation, or find another suitable spot in the area, please let me know, I have been wanting to do something like that, have some nice 15 and 25 gallon stuff.

If they won't take it, the City of Lakeland might since they are reworking the Palm Collection at Lake Wire and might want to diversify Hollis Gardens a little.  The Parks and Recreation department is a good place to start.  They're trying to map the gardens so it's a little easier to ID the different plants and palms in the "Urban Forest".

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Here's the B. alfredii on Bayshore Blvd in Tampa. 

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Palmə häl′ik

Nice Keith but there are legit coconut trees on bayshore....   I think something like a Tahina would be better suited

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4 hours ago, Palmə häl′ik said:

Nice Keith but there are legit coconut trees on bayshore....   I think something like a Tahina would be better suited

I think BA is a really good palm for there long-term. For coconuts, I’m only aware of a couple recently planted ones by Gandy and Bayshore. They’re still marginal palms in the Interbay Peninsula.

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Palmə häl′ik
6 hours ago, RedRabbit said:

I think BA is a really good palm for there long-term. For coconuts, I’m only aware of a couple recently planted ones by Gandy and Bayshore. They’re still marginal palms in the Interbay Peninsula.

I dont know where u been but theres been coconut trees on private lots therr fot a long time MrRedRabbit.  With global warming and all theyll be there to stay...   BA wouldve been more of a sight to see in a colder locale

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Palmə häl′ik

That house that SantoTrafficante used to frequent had big tall cocos in front of it for aslong as i can remember.   They maybe not always looked good but they were there...   The goods are in folks backyards up againt the homes.

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