Sabal x Brazoria?

[Joe NC]

I purchased this a few years ago as a Brazoria from a nursery that had many kinds of Sabal (ecotypes of palmetto & minor, green uresana, and brazoria) all mostly strap leaf in 3 gallon, not labeled but separated into groups.  I was directed to the Brazoria, picked one up and was on my way.

Now a few years later and my plant has palmate leaves, I'm thinking maybe I grabbed one of the minors that got accidentally placed with the Brazoria?

I think they maybe had Louisiana and some eastern nc giant type?  I don't remember exactly  but here is my palm.

It usually holds 6ish leaves (most were shredded or crushed in hurricane last year), they are not very costapalmate, and is deeply split into a "v" shape

Looks mostly like the rest of my minors at this point, except maybe the petioles are slightly thinner?

Just curious because the last palm I purchased as an "x texensis" (I assumed meant brazoria) turned out to grow like a weed and has 8 feet of trunk now.  I'm guessing it's a mexicana or palmetto, but is not a Brazoria for sure.

[Joe NC]

Close up of the hastula showing the flat plane of the leaf and the deep v split.

[Fusca]

5 hours ago, Joe NC said:

I purchased this a few years ago as a Brazoria from a nursery that had many kinds of Sabal (ecotypes of palmetto & minor, green uresana, and brazoria) all mostly strap leaf in 3 gallon, not labeled but separated into groups.  I was directed to the Brazoria, picked one up and was on my way.

Now a few years later and my plant has palmate leaves, I'm thinking maybe I grabbed one of the minors that got accidentally placed with the Brazoria?

I think they maybe had Louisiana and some eastern nc giant type?  I don't remember exactly  but here is my palm.

It usually holds 6ish leaves (most were shredded or crushed in hurricane last year), they are not very costapalmate, and is deeply split into a "v" shape

Looks mostly like the rest of my minors at this point, except maybe the petioles are slightly thinner?

Just curious because the last palm I purchased as an "x texensis" (I assumed meant brazoria) turned out to grow like a weed and has 8 feet of trunk now.  I'm guessing it's a mexicana or palmetto, but is not a Brazoria for sure.

Sabal texensis is synonymous with Sabal mexicana - one and the same.

[JLeVert]

Maybe Louisiana or Minor.  Notice the 'Vulcan' salute in the leaf with the two halves clearly divided from one another.  

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

Now im confused Sabal Texensis is suppose to be a hybrid between S.Palmetto x S.Mexicana right ? Where S.mexicana is also called the Texas Sabal ? Then you have S.Brazoriensis which is S.Palmetto x from Brazoria county and RGV ? 

[Joe NC]

35 minutes ago, Fusca said:

Sabal texensis is synonymous with Sabal mexicana - one and the same.

Yeah... I bought that potted palm 10 years ago from somebody who called it a "Brazoria x texensis". They planted it from seed they bought 10 years before that called the same.  I think in 2009 when I bought it and googled it, there were still sites calling a x texensis the old name for Brazoria.  I'm pretty sure what I have is a Mexicana, but it hardly ever successfully sets fruit. 

[Joe NC]

10 minutes ago, JLeVert said:

Maybe Louisiana or Minor.  Notice the 'Vulcan' salute in the leaf with the two halves clearly divided from one another.  

Yeah that's what had me worried.  Hopefully a Louisiana, since I already  have nc minors seeding themselves all over, and I was hoping for something a little bigger for that spot.

[Matt N- Dallas]

Sabal brazoria are variable.  I have some that look like yours Joe.  

[Steve in Florida]

They are quite variable in speed of growth even from the same tree.

[Joe NC]

19 hours ago, Matt N- Dallas said:

Sabal brazoria are variable.  I have some that look like yours Joe.  

Excellent!

[Matt N- Dallas]

In 2001 I grew 8 seedlings from the same seed batch and they’ve had different growth rates, variations in leaf form and one turned out to be less cold hardy than the rest- growing in Dallas, TX.  I removed the less cold hardy one and one other plant- the other six are still slowly growing. 

[kevin54500]

hello I am looking for seeds if some have the possibility of exchange or sales, see you soon

[Collectorpalms]

Sabal Brazoria grows along with Sabal Minor. 
I think a lot of people have the Sabal Minor that looks and grows nothing like Sabal Brazoria.

[Collectorpalms]

7 minutes ago, kevin54500 said:

hello I am looking for seeds if some have the possibility of exchange or sales, see you soon

I have the true form of Sabal Brazoria. Where are you located and what did you have in exchange? Seeds won’t be available till Fall. I probably will grow them. I have  intended to but haven’t done far.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Collectorpalms

[kevin54500]

interestingly I am in France, I have seeds of trachycarpus princeps x wagnerianus.  Fortunei x princeps, wagnerianus .. syagrus santa Catarina, butia yatay, some yucca ...

[Collectorpalms]

26 minutes ago, kevin54500 said:

interestingly I am in France, I have seeds of trachycarpus princeps x wagnerianus.  Fortunei x princeps, wagnerianus .. syagrus santa Catarina, butia yatay, some yucca ...

Sounds good!

[kevin54500]

yes I am in zone 7b 8a, quite humid weather in winter with little sun, and dry summer, Nancy the north east of France we can talk in private