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Trachys @ Plant Delights/Juniper Level Botanic Garden


djcary

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A couple weekends ago I went to Plant Delights (just a bit south of Raleigh NC) during their open nursery day and, of course, had to check out their palms they have at their garden. So, I took some pictures and I figured I share some of them.

They had quite a few different ecotypes of Trachys,  but I won't bother posting those, as they all looked the same to me. Also, they had plenty of Sabals too: S. 'Birmingham',  S. minor 'Savannah Silver' (which I hadn't heard of before), S. minor 'McCurtain', S. 'brazoriensis', S. palmetto 'Bald Head Island' (wasn't trunking yet), S. minor 'Louisiana',  S. minor 'Emerald Isle Giant', S. minor 'Wakula Dwarf', and I think a S. etonia, I didn't see a name plate on it though.

 

Trachycarpus fortunei 'Nanital' was definitely the best looker there, at least in my eyes.

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A couple of Trachys weren't looking good. Based off of this pic, I don't think T. takil can survive here long term. I think there was also one in the JC Raulston arboretum that has died too, but I might be wrong about that. This waggie doesn't look too good either, but I think part of that is because it was placed next to the water and maybe that doesn't like that in the winter time.

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The palm I was most excited about when I saw it was T. nanus. It looks like its doing fine here and has lived long enough to start flowering.

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Good pics.  Any Sabal pics?

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YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf),  brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7),  15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1),  Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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Yeah, here's a few. I was expecting the Emerald Isle Giant to have more of blue color to it, based on the picture they have on their website. However, it seems to be in a lot of shade so maybe that's why. 

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That Sabal Savannah Silver is so nice.  Never heard of it.

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YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf),  brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7),  15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1),  Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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Thanks for posting the pics.  I believe the palms that went into decline were heavily shaded and thus suffered from prolonged periods of below freezing temperatures.

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I bet I was at PDN the same time you were there, djcary.  I assume you live in Cary?   I think I have tried all of those palms in your list except some of those specific ecotypes of sabals when I lived in Green Level.  I moved west out to Siler City.  Cary has a nice microclimate for palm pushing.     That takil has been dead for awhile....I keep forgetting to ask Tony the real reason.   I had an Emerald Isle giant that grew fast and furious.   Unfortunately Sabals don't like to be transplanted, so I had to leave all of them when we moved.  What types of palms are you growing?  

C from NC

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Bone dry summers, wet winters, 2-3 days ea. winter in low teens.

Siler City, NC

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8 hours ago, Steve in Florida said:

Thanks for posting the pics.  I believe the palms that went into decline were heavily shaded and thus suffered from prolonged periods of below freezing temperatures.

Definitely could be factor, though, there were some fortunei's in a good amount of shade too and were fine.

 

1 hour ago, NCpalmqueen said:

I bet I was at PDN the same time you were there, djcary.  I assume you live in Cary?   I think I have tried all of those palms in your list except some of those specific ecotypes of sabals when I lived in Green Level.  I moved west out to Siler City.  Cary has a nice microclimate for palm pushing.     That takil has been dead for awhile....I keep forgetting to ask Tony the real reason.   I had an Emerald Isle giant that grew fast and furious.   Unfortunately Sabals don't like to be transplanted, so I had to leave all of them when we moved.  What types of palms are you growing?  

One would think, but my name is in no relation to the town haha. I do live in downtown Raleigh, though.

All my palms are in pots and I only have a balcony to grow on, so sadly I don't have as many as I wish I did. Right now, I've got a Chamaerops humilis, which was my first palm. It's about four years old from seed.  From Plant Delights, I've got a S. 'Tamaulipas', S. palmetto 'Mocksville', and then I just picked up an Emerald Isle Giant and an etonia. Also, I have some S. miamiensis seedlings. I'm excited to try those out in the ground... when I actually have some ground to plant them in. I feel like they have a chance at surviving here, though, I'd still protect some of them just in case it gets too cold for them. Recently, I picked up a Butia odorata too. I try to go with palms that can survive the winter here without me having to take them inside, except for the few nights when it gets into the low 20s or below.

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I wonder what happened to that T. takil. Aren't those supposed to be hardier than T. fortunei? 

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

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4 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

I wonder what happened to that T. takil. Aren't those supposed to be hardier than T. fortunei? 

I think that's what a lot of people expected.  In reality they don't seem to be.

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8 hours ago, djcary said:

Definitely could be factor, though, there were some fortunei's in a good amount of shade too and were fine.

 

One would think, but my name is in no relation to the town haha. I do live in downtown Raleigh, though.

All my palms are in pots and I only have a balcony to grow on, so sadly I don't have as many as I wish I did. Right now, I've got a Chamaerops humilis, which was my first palm. It's about four years old from seed.  From Plant Delights, I've got a S. 'Tamaulipas', S. palmetto 'Mocksville', and then I just picked up an Emerald Isle Giant and an etonia. Also, I have some S. miamiensis seedlings. I'm excited to try those out in the ground... when I actually have some ground to plant them in. I feel like they have a chance at surviving here, though, I'd still protect some of them just in case it gets too cold for them. Recently, I picked up a Butia odorata too. I try to go with palms that can survive the winter here without me having to take them inside, except for the few nights when it gets into the low 20s or below.

Sounds like a great collection....all wanting a permanent home.   :-)  

Downtown Raleigh is at least a half zone warmer than my locale.   

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C from NC

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Bone dry summers, wet winters, 2-3 days ea. winter in low teens.

Siler City, NC

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Hi,how are you? I read your message to the end,LUCKY YOU,for your beautiful Palms you've! please can you send me like GIFTS some MIXED  Palm seeds Varieties?

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From Country:Kosovo!

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Trachycarpus takil never thrived for me down here either. Too hot/humid? I threw it out. Trachy martianus is a winner for me in my climate and it looks nicer than fortunei.

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2 hours ago, Tropicdoc said:

Trachycarpus takil never thrived for me down here either. Too hot/humid? I threw it out. Trachy martianus is a winner for me in my climate and it looks nicer than fortunei.

I agree.  My Takil spear pulled this last week, after a mild dry winter.  25F was the coldest it saw with no more than 4 hours below freezing and only about 4 nights where it dropped to freezing in total.  We'll see if it grows out of it.  Have been treating with peroxide.

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On 5/16/2019 at 5:29 PM, NC_Palms said:

I wonder what happened to that T. takil. Aren't those supposed to be hardier than T. fortunei? 

They are not. In Northern Europe they are not as hardy as fortunei. They are proven to be a lot more sensitive. 

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23 hours ago, Tropicdoc said:

Trachycarpus takil never thrived for me down here either. Too hot/humid? I threw it out. Trachy martianus is a winner for me in my climate and it looks nicer than fortunei.

You should try Trachycarpus latisectus also. It is native in much hoter climate than other species. And it is very beautiful. 

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43 minutes ago, Cikas said:

You should try Trachycarpus latisectus also. It is native in much hoter climate than other species. And it is very beautiful. 

Yes latisectus is on my list to plant thanks

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6 hours ago, Cikas said:

They are not. In Northern Europe they are not as hardy as fortunei. They are proven to be a lot more sensitive. 

Might be the strain, they should in theory be hardier than fortunei, or at least the same, T. takil grow at higher elevations in the Himalayas than T. fortunei.

They're also somewhat new in cultivation, T. takil only started becoming more popular over the last decade. Perhaps the weaker ones will be weeded out over time. T. fortunei has had a 100+ year head start in that process.

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Assuming a plant cannot survive based on the fact that one single specimen or so did not make it is kind of jumping the gun. I think more people should try it. 

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2 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Assuming a plant cannot survive based on the fact that one single specimen or so did not make it is kind of jumping the gun. I think more people should try it. 

I agree. Palms can be quite variable  

Zone 8a/8b Greenville, NC 

Zone 9a/9b Bluffton, SC

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On 5/18/2019 at 4:40 PM, Brad Mondel said:

Assuming a plant cannot survive based on the fact that one single specimen or so did not make it is kind of jumping the gun. I think more people should try it. 

I agree, but those of us that live in zones with limited palm growing potential are reporting that takil are not surviving conditions that are no challenge for a regular fortunei - I've heard it countless times now that real takil are starting to become more readily available.  For years people what people thought were takil were plain old fortunei.  Perhaps with size they  get tougher.

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Update:   I've treated the hole left by the two spears that pulled out of the takil with sodium hydroxide solution.  The rest of the fronds retained their dark green color, so I held out hope and have been watching this palm closely.  Last week I noticed something that looked promising.  A week later I see new healthy looking spears pushing out.  I sure hope this one makes it long term.

 

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Definitely looking more promising now with good weather on your side too

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Most "takil" in the US arent true takil.  Latisectus wont survive anything colder than 8b long term.

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@Chester B, I hope you mean you treated your palms with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), not sodium hydroxide (NAOH). Sodium hydroxide is a highly alkaline chemical commonly known as "caustic soda" that will damage if not kill your palm. I wouldn't let that nasty stuff near one of my plants.

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1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

I hope you mean you treated your palms with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), not sodium hydroxide (NAOH).

Omg!  Brains fried.  And I'm an engineer too, apparently not a very good one.:rolleyes:

Yes Hydrogen Peroxide 3%, not the latter.

 

1 hour ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Most "takil" in the US arent true takil.  Latisectus wont survive anything colder than 8b long term.

Very true, most are just T fortunei "Nanital", but I'm confident that this one's the real deal.  My source is a very well known specialist nursery here on the west coast, plus based on my evaluation (not that that counts for much!) I feel good about this one.

I do have access to small latisectus but I don't feel confident with them even though I'm in a solid 8B.  I do have a couple good protected spots but I'm saving those to try out a couple mules.

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I've had Latisectus spear pull and die inside a cold frame 5 feet from E. Lehmanii that only partially defoliated....

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Looks like this one has decided to live

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I have a mature Nanital and it looks nothing like Takil. You have the real Takil for sure! One sign is very short tight trunk fibers where Nanital has extra long fibers.  Glad it pulling through for you, but still surprised it had damaged this winter.  I am sure it will make a full recovery. :D

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32 minutes ago, Palm crazy said:

You have the real Takil for sure!

Thanks, based on my limited experience these do seem to match the descriptions.  These came from Sean Hogan so I feel confident in his ID as well.

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On 5/29/2019 at 4:35 PM, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

 Latisectus wont survive anything colder than 8b long term.

This is very true for the PNW also. I don't know anyone with a  big latisectus here.  Some have survived 17F with total spear pull but most people take them out eventually. 

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Takils are hardy in Puget Sound areas of WA.  If you all remember I showed a mature one in Brown's Pointe, Tacoma last year. The owner has never had any problem growing takil... with 14' of clear trunk its a winner for at least this gardeners who garden in 8b/9a. 

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21 hours ago, Palm crazy said:

Takils are hardy in Puget Sound areas of WA.  If you all remember I showed a mature one in Brown's Pointe, Tacoma last year. The owner has never had any problem growing takil... with 14' of clear trunk its a winner for at least this gardeners who garden in 8b/9a. 

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Easily one of best looking species in the genus. Only Trachycarpus martianus looks better, in my opinion.

I hope my Takil proves to be hardy, though I’ll always protect it. Sometimes I wonder if mine is the northernmost Takil on the east coast, although I’m sort of cheating as mine is in a pot for now.

Pic from winter:

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I took this picture last night but notice you can see the 'Nanital" trunk to the left side so here's what it looks like. The trachycarpus with a tiki mask on it is a regular fortunei.  

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