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sandgroper
1 hour ago, Tyrone said:

Your coconut wouldn't have seen that temperature where you've got it all protected and snug. You'd be lucky if it saw 6C.

Although we've been warmer at night (slightly) our day maximums have been very cool. Yesterday it sat around 12.5C for most of the day before it just crept past 15C. Then at night once the sun went down it sat around 12.5C for ages even with a clear sky. Its been annoying of late. Clouds during the day obscuring the sun, then clear nights with no blankets. The worst combination. I'd rather the other way around.

Unfortunately I haven't got the coconut protected at all at the moment, whatever our yard experienced my coconut experienced, it's just too big to protect now.

9 hours ago, Tyrone said:

I see Jandakot went down to 1.7C according to the bom. I should be a beautiful sunny day though.

Crikey! Didn't realise it got down that low, I was already at work before dawn. My poor coconut wouldn't have liked that!

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We have an unusual weather pattern about to descend upon the Northern Territory. It's known as a 'North West Cloud Band' with moisture streaming in from the Indian Ocean. Not unheard of, but more likely to impact the Pilbara and Kimberley coasts way further south than the Top End. This is a 'dry season' rain event that sometimes occurs in May/June delivering rain and below average temperatures to the Northern Tropics. This time, however, even Darwin at 12*S may feel the effects, with overcast and showery weather forecast for a few days later this week and max temps of only 27c-28c ( 81f-84f ).
Further South at Katherine, their max temps  forecast only 21c-22c and widespread light rain throughout the VRD. Gregory and Carpentaria Districts.
These north west cloud bands are rare as far north as Darwin..... last one here was in 2004 that delivered 100mm ( 4" ) in late May / early June of that year.
And one way back in 1981 gave us our coldest May day on record, only 22.7c ( 73f )..... drizzly light rain all day.
 

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18 hours ago, greysrigging said:

We have an unusual weather pattern about to descend upon the Northern Territory. It's known as a 'North West Cloud Band' with moisture streaming in from the Indian Ocean. Not unheard of, but more likely to impact the Pilbara and Kimberley coasts way further south than the Top End. This is a 'dry season' rain event that sometimes occurs in May/June delivering rain and below average temperatures to the Northern Tropics. This time, however, even Darwin at 12*S may feel the effects, with overcast and showery weather forecast for a few days later this week and max temps of only 27c-28c ( 81f-84f ).
Further South at Katherine, their max temps  forecast only 21c-22c and widespread light rain throughout the VRD. Gregory and Carpentaria Districts.
These north west cloud bands are rare as far north as Darwin..... last one here was in 2004 that delivered 100mm ( 4" ) in late May / early June of that year.
And one way back in 1981 gave us our coldest May day on record, only 22.7c ( 73f )..... drizzly light rain all day.
 

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22.7C and drizzle in Darwin. People must have died of exposure up there. Just kidding.

There's a cyclone or at least a big tropical storm just south of Indonesia at the moment which is meant to travel south and decompose around southern WA on Sunday and Monday next week. Could be a weird bit of weather. A bit late for such tropical activity but not completely unheard of. It's probably related to what's going to happen in Darwin. Its going to be a sunny 24C on Saturday down here if the BOM is accurate that far out. Then Sunday night rain and possibly thunder I reckon. Then the low passes to the south of us and blows a heap of gusty westerlies over us. then we are back to winter again. Never a dull moment, except when it is actually dull, of course.

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Check this out.... from a post I put up in our local FB weather page.
""Anyone else noted the amazing rainfall figures coming from the Gumboot Coast in FNQ in the last 24 hours ? Was listening to the Country Hour earlier this arvo and and the Tully-Innisfail area has picked up +250mm totals in the last 24 hours....some hick joint jagged 330mm ! And us mob get excited with 0.8mm at the Airport, let alone 18mm at Gunn Point....lol
I wonder if the down south weather mobs actually 'get' the significance of the various systems impacting the Australian Continent in the next few days ?. its not just the prospect of unseasonal May rain. it is also the prospect of record cold May maximum temperatures about to descend on vast areas of the Tropics on Friday/Saturday.
Many coastal and inland stations in Queensland will break historic cold records if the forecast max temps come off. Gladstone, Rockhampton, Mackay, Townsville, Cairns, are all gunna have a cold day on Saturday, with 13c in Rocky being Melbourne like in July ! lol !
I daresay the Atherton Tablelands might also need a beanie or 2 on Saturday.
Back in the NT it would appear places like Katherine, Elliot, Tennant Creek etc will also break May cold records.
So a significant cold event for the Tropics, on par with the June 2007 event that saw bitter cold max's of 10c across most of inland North Queensland. Mt Isa was 9.8c on the 20th from memory...."

 

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1 hour ago, greysrigging said:

Check this out.... from a post I put up in our local FB weather page.
""Anyone else noted the amazing rainfall figures coming from the Gumboot Coast in FNQ in the last 24 hours ? Was listening to the Country Hour earlier this arvo and and the Tully-Innisfail area has picked up +250mm totals in the last 24 hours....some hick joint jagged 330mm ! And us mob get excited with 0.8mm at the Airport, let alone 18mm at Gunn Point....lol
I wonder if the down south weather mobs actually 'get' the significance of the various systems impacting the Australian Continent in the next few days ?. its not just the prospect of unseasonal May rain. it is also the prospect of record cold May maximum temperatures about to descend on vast areas of the Tropics on Friday/Saturday.
Many coastal and inland stations in Queensland will break historic cold records if the forecast max temps come off. Gladstone, Rockhampton, Mackay, Townsville, Cairns, are all gunna have a cold day on Saturday, with 13c in Rocky being Melbourne like in July ! lol !
I daresay the Atherton Tablelands might also need a beanie or 2 on Saturday.
Back in the NT it would appear places like Katherine, Elliot, Tennant Creek etc will also break May cold records.
So a significant cold event for the Tropics, on par with the June 2007 event that saw bitter cold max's of 10c across most of inland North Queensland. Mt Isa was 9.8c on the 20th from memory...."

 

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Gosh, everyone seems to be having odd weather. I guess rain out of season is not a bad thing up there after a failed "wet". Took this today of a neighbors flowering CIDP blending nicely with the autumn colours. Things are still green as had good rain at start of May and evaporation is low this time of year. This sort of weather this time of year should mean frost, yet to have one, but might be first tonight. I'm just going to let things like my banana fend for themselves this year. Got too big to cover and other people in neighborhood  seem to grow what I grow without doing all the covering I have done. My Rophie Chathams  should cope with 0C now they are coming on 2 years in the ground and healthy. 

 

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greysrigging
2 minutes ago, cbmnz said:

Gosh, everyone seems to be having odd weather. I guess rain out of season is not a bad thing up there after a failed "wet". Took this today of a neighbors flowering CIDP blending nicely with the autumn colours. Things are still green as had good rain at start of May and evaporation is low this time of year. This sort of weather this time of year should mean frost, yet to have one, but might be first tonight. I'm just going to let things like my banana fend for themselves this year. Got too big to cover and other people in neighborhood  seem to grow what I grow without doing all the covering I have done. My Rophie Chathams  should cope with 0C now they are coming on 2 years in the ground and healthy. 

 

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Not a cloud in the sky in May = frosts methinks.... ?
Would be in Northern Victoria where I grew up as a kid.....

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Should do, used to. But somethings seems to have changed in last 2-3 years. It still cools down rapidly some nights, but when temps gets to about 1-2C it seems to stabilise and only drops very slowly.  Did reach -2.0C last winter, but only once, next lowest was about -1.1C and only four nights went below 0. Total time below freezing whole winter was less than 8 hours. If I dig up an old photo from 2008, this is what it was like, ice like this right in town, right up to the house. Even queens got a bit knocked when young in those days. I could be wrong, might just have had by chance 3 mild winters in a row and normality will return.     

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The impending Tropical cold, Northern Australia. Friend at the Aussie BOM....
"Willoughby OwenoJUaDQAiBQe.png Yes Doug, should be a lot of records to fall especially inland areas.

ECMWF developed a product a few years ago that shows forecast areas of anomalous weather against typical climatology with the extreme forecast index, using standard deviation. This coming cold snap in the North of Australia is almost off its chart!


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"Willoughby OwenoJUaDQAiBQe.png Globally, a very significant event!

We've been having a lot of anomalous heat the last few years in northern Australia so really nice to have a cold period for a change."

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3 minutes ago, greysrigging said:

The impeding Tropical cold, Northern Australia. Friend at the Aussie BOM....
"Willoughby OwenoJUaDQAiBQe.png Yes Doug, should be a lot of records to fall especially inland areas.

ECMWF developed a product a few years ago that shows forecast areas of anomalous weather against typical climatology with the extreme forecast index, using standard deviation. This coming cold snap in the North of Australia is almost off its chart!


Friday morning to Saturday morning:

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"Willoughby OwenoJUaDQAiBQe.png Globally, a very significant event!

We've been having a lot of anomalous heat the last few years in northern Australia so really nice to have a cold period for a change."

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Same dude started the New Zealand Weather forum I've been on since 2008. Wonder what -1.0 means in these charts.

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Tyrone
14 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Check this out.... from a post I put up in our local FB weather page.
""Anyone else noted the amazing rainfall figures coming from the Gumboot Coast in FNQ in the last 24 hours ? Was listening to the Country Hour earlier this arvo and and the Tully-Innisfail area has picked up +250mm totals in the last 24 hours....some hick joint jagged 330mm ! And us mob get excited with 0.8mm at the Airport, let alone 18mm at Gunn Point....lol
I wonder if the down south weather mobs actually 'get' the significance of the various systems impacting the Australian Continent in the next few days ?. its not just the prospect of unseasonal May rain. it is also the prospect of record cold May maximum temperatures about to descend on vast areas of the Tropics on Friday/Saturday.
Many coastal and inland stations in Queensland will break historic cold records if the forecast max temps come off. Gladstone, Rockhampton, Mackay, Townsville, Cairns, are all gunna have a cold day on Saturday, with 13c in Rocky being Melbourne like in July ! lol !
I daresay the Atherton Tablelands might also need a beanie or 2 on Saturday.
Back in the NT it would appear places like Katherine, Elliot, Tennant Creek etc will also break May cold records.
So a significant cold event for the Tropics, on par with the June 2007 event that saw bitter cold max's of 10c across most of inland North Queensland. Mt Isa was 9.8c on the 20th from memory...."

 

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Well, tropical fnq will be getting what we should on the weekend and down my way will be sunny and 24C on Saturday and similar on Sunday then heavy rain Sunday night. The whole situation has been spun anticlockwise 90 degrees. 

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greysrigging

Looks like a good time for our friends in SW WA to start preparations for what potentially could be a nasty weather event unfolding early next week.
A deep low, looks to be the tropical depression currently near the Cocos Islands, will track towards the SW Western Australia region where it’s likely to interact with a cold front.
This front will help to give this system a bit of a kick, so some pretty savage weather is more than likely.




 

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Max temp struggled to just under 29c today under a windy and fully overcast sky..... as late as this morning the forecast for Darwin tomorrow was 25c, but it has been revised upwards to 27c for tomorrow and the next few days. So not record breaking for us here on the northern coast, but still a welcome change from months of +34c's.

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sandgroper

BOM are saying we could get up to 50mm of rain on Sunday and possibly another 15mm on Monday. I'm happy to get the rain I just don't want any more destructive winds.

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Last night after so many non event freezes I only did some minimal covering so you can guess what happened. Got down to -1.6 C which would have been second coldest low of last winter. It was very radiational and only 4 hrs below freezing. Everything is fine, just my most exposed R. Sapida Chathams if I look carefully might have some faint leaf spotting that was not there pre freeze.  Looks like banana leaves, unprotected but near house were almost unaffected so was only a marginal freeze. Still, was a good warning shot. Got covers out tonight. Down to 3.4C at 10pm so was not silly.

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14 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Max temp struggled to just under 29c today under a windy and fully overcast sky..... as late as this morning the forecast for Darwin tomorrow was 25c, but it has been revised upwards to 27c for tomorrow and the next few days. So not record breaking for us here on the northern coast, but still a welcome change from months of +34c's.

Here the maximum yesterday only got to 29.9C, so not a record breaker, the lowest May maximum on record is 29.6C. Average maximum for May is 34.0C, this year May average so far is 34.7C. Forecast for today is 26C. If that eventuates it'll be a real record breaker.

This unusual weather has also brought 5 mm rain to my gauge. Rain started in the middle of the night, very light and continued into the morning. Apparently it's raining more heavily at high altitude but at lower levels the air is very dry causing high evaporation with the consequent cooling. The rain is streaming in from the north west, typically associated with the wet season monsoon, and the surface level winds are streaming in from the south east.

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3 hours ago, tropicbreeze said:

Here the maximum yesterday only got to 29.9C, so not a record breaker, the lowest May maximum on record is 29.6C. Average maximum for May is 34.0C, this year May average so far is 34.7C. Forecast for today is 26C. If that eventuates it'll be a real record breaker.

This unusual weather has also brought 5 mm rain to my gauge. Rain started in the middle of the night, very light and continued into the morning. Apparently it's raining more heavily at high altitude but at lower levels the air is very dry causing high evaporation with the consequent cooling. The rain is streaming in from the north west, typically associated with the wet season monsoon, and the surface level winds are streaming in from the south east.

Noonamah is a hard place to source older records...the BOM doesn't seem to have records from the old site ( closed in 1991 ) at the Store published and the ones from the AWS near the Store/Pub are only from 2008-2013. Records now come from the Airstrip ( since 2013 )
The old AWS shows a 27.3c in 2012.... I reckon today will beat that mark.
Darwin Airport is slowly warming with 23.7c at noon. Previous record was 22.7c back in 1981....I remember the day....similar set up, overcast/very light drizzle
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The early winter chill continues for Darwin and the Rural areas...... Very rare to see this sort of cold at 3.00pm anywhere in the Top End


 

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1 hour ago, greysrigging said:

The early winter chill continues for Darwin and the Rural areas...... Very rare to see this sort of cold at 3.00pm anywhere in the Top End

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tropicbreeze
5 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Noonamah is a hard place to source older records...the BOM doesn't seem to have records from the old site ( closed in 1991 ) at the Store published and the ones from the AWS near the Store/Pub are only from 2008-2013. Records now come from the Airstrip ( since 2013 )
The old AWS shows a 27.3c in 2012.... I reckon today will beat that mark.
Darwin Airport is slowly warming with 23.7c at noon. Previous record was 22.7c back in 1981....I remember the day....similar set up, overcast/very light drizzle
 

They had a stream gauging station at the Elizabeth River bridge to which they later added a full weather station. They shut that down and I rallied some support in protest. They then opened a weather station opposite Noonamah Store. Later this was moved to the current location which is actually in Weddell, not Noonamah. That's why there's gaps in the records. The original station was in a cold air sink along the river so records there aren't comparable to the current site. There's not much continuity at the various Noonamah weather station locations.

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greysrigging
38 minutes ago, tropicbreeze said:

They had a stream gauging station at the Elizabeth River bridge to which they later added a full weather station. They shut that down and I rallied some support in protest. They then opened a weather station opposite Noonamah Store. Later this was moved to the current location which is actually in Weddell, not Noonamah. That's why there's gaps in the records. The original station was in a cold air sink along the river so records there aren't comparable to the current site. There's not much continuity at the various Noonamah weather station locations.

Yeah Elizabeth Valley ( BOM no. 01422 ) recorded ( and still does ) rainfall since 1986.
Noonamah ( BOM no. 014080  at the Store ) closed in 1991 
Noonamah AWS ( BOM no. 014046 nearby ) closed in 2012 and moved to the Airstrip which, as you say is 5klm away 
Noonamah Airstrip  ( BOM  no. 014314 ) commenced in 2013.
The Store site has rainfall records from 1958, the only temperature ones are from 1965 ( an extremely cold 'dry' that year )
So yes you are spot on re continuity of records.... bloody annoying for a stats nerd such as myself.... lol !
For our USA mates and the rest of Australia ( ie Southerners ), Noonamah is a rural region about 42 klm  ( 26 miles ) inland from the Darwin CBD.  And while the general assumption would be that the climate is the same, the fact is that there is a fair old difference in that 30 miles. Noonamah is generally hotter during the wet season and build up months, and cooler during the dry season. They get a bit more early rain and more thunderstorms than the City, but on average a bit less than coastal Darwin during an active monsoonal period.  And can get surprisingly cold on some dry season nights...... as low as 5c ( 41f ) ! Even so, they've topped 37c ( 99f ) in the depths of winter ( ( July ) a few years ago so it really is a harsh climate out there in the Darwin Boondocks......
 

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Three clear nights, got down to -3.3C at the local airport this morning, coldest since 2016. But I only saw about -1.5C each time. Can certainly cheat when it's only radiative. Everything came through great. Still got peppers ripening even.

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Tyrone
1 hour ago, cbmnz said:

Three clear nights, got down to -3.3C at the local airport this morning, coldest since 2016. But I only saw about -1.5C each time. Can certainly cheat when it's only radiative. Everything came through great. Still got peppers ripening even.

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You wouldn’t know that you had freezing temps looking at your pics.

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Looking at 27c in Perth today but it all turns nasty from tomorrow afternoon,  they're talking about 50mm of rain with possible wind gusts of 130kms, I'm happy to take the rain but am quite concerned about the wind. I hope we can avoid any damage.

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Another cold chilly Darwin day.... not as overcast with the sun trying to make an appearance, so I think we might get to our forecast top of 26c.  22.8c at noon.
I had to turn on the hot water booster last night.....the solar hot water doesn't like 3 sunless days in a row......
 

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5 hours ago, greysrigging said:

The 9C in Tennant creek (19.6S) is impressive.Surely it has never snowed there though.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampico    this place in Mexico only couple of degrees further from equator did have snow at sea level, at least once, and got down to 0C in 2011.  

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8 hours ago, Tyrone said:

You wouldn’t know that you had freezing temps looking at your pics.

Picked route home today to go past in the immediate neighborhood,  the place with a 2.5m Phoenix roebelenii out front, one with 2x10m tall Bangalows, the campground that has a grove of small Archontophoenix about 1.5m tall, and the house with the banana currently in fruit and could not see any damage at all. Also went out to check on the Bacon Avocado I gifted to parents and help to look after, and it was fine, not a hint of damage ( it is fully enclosed in a ~2x2x2m space made from four solid posts and shade-cloth).  I added a layer of white frost cloth to the roof for some extra radiation reflection over winter. 

 

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7 hours ago, sandgroper said:

Looking at 27c in Perth today but it all turns nasty from tomorrow afternoon,  they're talking about 50mm of rain with possible wind gusts of 130kms, I'm happy to take the rain but am quite concerned about the wind. I hope we can avoid any damage.

The EC is normally quite conservative in how low it predicts a low "bombing" under Explosive cyclogenesis will go, whereas the GFS goes a bit wild. But I see the EC has the one bound for South WA down to 965, so no wonder some serious warnings are out.

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Gotta remember Australia, although a continent, is surrounded by oceans. So our weather is pretty well influenced and moderated by the Pacific, Indian and Southern Oceans. We don't have the huge continental landmasses like Asia, North America and Europe stretching into the colder high latitudes.  Low level snow is actually quite rare in Australia....we don't get the 'blue northers' streaming down from the Arctic like the CONUS does. Makes palm growth a bit easier at our latitudes knowing we ain't getting a killing frost every 10 years or so. 
We did have a snow fall at Yulara ( the tourist town at Ayres Rock ) in 1997.......first in recorded history. 
https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/snow-uluru
 

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15 hours ago, cbmnz said:

The EC is normally quite conservative in how low it predicts a low "bombing" under Explosive cyclogenesis will go, whereas the GFS goes a bit wild. But I see the EC has the one bound for South WA down to 965, so no wonder some serious warnings are out.

The low according to windy.com looks like it will now travel a bit further south and not exactly cross the coast anywhere. Initially they showed it crossing near Perth and popping out again near Albany. Rainfall has been also forecast downwards as well. It looks like I will get 25 knot westerlies for a good while on Monday and have strong winds for around 24 hrs. Not unusual for here. There will be branches down though. The great southern is in a total fire ban as this is the season to burn off. Trouble is in the wheatbelt you will definitely get the wind but likely not get the rain, which could lead to out of control bushfires which is the last thing you need. 

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tropicbreeze
On 5/22/2020 at 7:18 PM, greysrigging said:

Yeah Elizabeth Valley ( BOM no. 01422 ) recorded ( and still does ) rainfall since 1986.
Noonamah ( BOM no. 014080  at the Store ) closed in 1991 
Noonamah AWS ( BOM no. 014046 nearby ) closed in 2012 and moved to the Airstrip which, as you say is 5klm away 
Noonamah Airstrip  ( BOM  no. 014314 ) commenced in 2013.
The Store site has rainfall records from 1958, the only temperature ones are from 1965 ( an extremely cold 'dry' that year )
So yes you are spot on re continuity of records.... bloody annoying for a stats nerd such as myself.... lol !
For our USA mates and the rest of Australia ( ie Southerners ), Noonamah is a rural region about 42 klm  ( 26 miles ) inland from the Darwin CBD.  And while the general assumption would be that the climate is the same, the fact is that there is a fair old difference in that 30 miles. Noonamah is generally hotter during the wet season and build up months, and cooler during the dry season. They get a bit more early rain and more thunderstorms than the City, but on average a bit less than coastal Darwin during an active monsoonal period.  And can get surprisingly cold on some dry season nights...... as low as 5c ( 41f ) ! Even so, they've topped 37c ( 99f ) in the depths of winter ( ( July ) a few years ago so it really is a harsh climate out there in the Darwin Boondocks......
 

Yes, and no. Depends on where around Noonamah the recordings are made. Elizabeth Valley is Elizabeth Valley Homestead, a private property that collects rain data for BOM. There's lots of non-BOM data collections stations.

Noonamah straddles the broad but shallow Elizabeth Valley. In the low points, along the river, you get the biggest cold sink effects and the coldest temperatures during nights with no wind, clear skies and low humidity. In the upper areas (or above the valley if you like) temperatures on those cold nights are pretty close to Darwin's, despite being further inland. But day temperatures are still higher than Darwin. 35C/36C are not unusual any time during "winter".

You get the same effect with Jabiru, even though it's further inland than Noonamah. Cold temperatures much the same as Darwin but higher maximums. Jabiru weather station is outside the cold sinks in the area. Nourlangie camp is right in the middle of one and can get very low temperatures.

In the build up Noonamah is missed by a lot of the build up storms. They split and go around either side. These reform to the west and Humpty Doo, Coolalinga, Berry Springs and Kangaroo Flats get the big rain. The new weather station at the airstrip is getting into the zone of higher rain. The more eastern parts of Noonamah get more out of the monsoonal rains.

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GottmitAlex
4 hours ago, tropicbreeze said:

Yes, and no. Depends on where around Noonamah the recordings are made. Elizabeth Valley is Elizabeth Valley Homestead, a private property that collects rain data for BOM. There's lots of non-BOM data collections stations.

Noonamah straddles the broad but shallow Elizabeth Valley. In the low points, along the river, you get the biggest cold sink effects and the coldest temperatures during nights with no wind, clear skies and low humidity. In the upper areas (or above the valley if you like) temperatures on those cold nights are pretty close to Darwin's, despite being further inland. But day temperatures are still higher than Darwin. 35C/36C are not unusual any time during "winter".

You get the same effect with Jabiru, even though it's further inland than Noonamah. Cold temperatures much the same as Darwin but higher maximums. Jabiru weather station is outside the cold sinks in the area. Nourlangie camp is right in the middle of one and can get very low temperatures.

In the build up Noonamah is missed by a lot of the build up storms. They split and go around either side. These reform to the west and Humpty Doo, Coolalinga, Berry Springs and Kangaroo Flats get the big rain. The new weather station at the airstrip is getting into the zone of higher rain. The more eastern parts of Noonamah get more out of the monsoonal rains.

So there are different readings? 

 

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Tyrone

What a wild night last night. I didn't sleep much as the wind was roaring through at times like a 747 on take off. I got up early to see two pine trees down in the pine forest that had slightly squashed my veggie patch. Snapped off about 10ft above the ground but they were dead and brittle. Gotta clean them up. It was 16.8C when I got up but now the rain has really come in at it's a balmy 9.8C near 1pm. Brrrrrrrrrr.

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3 hours ago, Tyrone said:

What a wild night last night. I didn't sleep much as the wind was roaring through at times like a 747 on take off. I got up early to see two pine trees down in the pine forest that had slightly squashed my veggie patch. Snapped off about 10ft above the ground but they were dead and brittle. Gotta clean them up. It was 16.8C when I got up but now the rain has really come in at it's a balmy 9.8C near 1pm. Brrrrrrrrrr.

Wondering how your garden was , it looks so large and awesome in the photos. If you at least dont outright lose any palms, I guess that is something.

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Bloody cold, rainy and windy today! We lost power sometime during the night again but it was back on when I got home from work. Fortunately no damage at home but plenty of tree branches down around the place and there were people who lost roofs and fences, poor buggers. Looks like we'll be getting a fair old drop of rain this week with Thursday looking like the wettest which is a good thing. Was thinking about Tyrone today, there were some very strong wind gusts down your way.

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Tyrone
2 hours ago, cbmnz said:

Wondering how your garden was , it looks so large and awesome in the photos. If you at least dont outright lose any palms, I guess that is something.

Thanks mate. I doubt I will lose any palms to this. We are back to 20, 21C on Wednesday Thursday as well. I’m the one who does the worst in this weather. 

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Tyrone
1 hour ago, sandgroper said:

Bloody cold, rainy and windy today! We lost power sometime during the night again but it was back on when I got home from work. Fortunately no damage at home but plenty of tree branches down around the place and there were people who lost roofs and fences, poor buggers. Looks like we'll be getting a fair old drop of rain this week with Thursday looking like the wettest which is a good thing. Was thinking about Tyrone today, there were some very strong wind gusts down your way.

Officially we had a peak gust of 91kph at the airport at 7.30 am but I had already checked the garden and seen the carnage in the pine forest by then. I estimate at my place we got a 90-100kph northerly gust earlier on that missed the airport site. On the roads near me there was a lot of debris on the south sides of verge vegetation. Pretty wild stuff. Thursday looks wet again but much calmer and warmer thankfully. 

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Tyrone

The wind and rain died down yesterday and i was able to check the garden a bit better around sun down last night. My 3 biggest Beccariophoenix alfrediis which are about 2.5m tall which were solid in the ground were now wobbling everywhere and leaning. Not good. I suppose that’s what 50 knot wind gusts can do to them. So down to Bunnings I went and got star pickets and ties and I hooked up the floodlight in the garden to tie them up. Got them secure now because we’ve got more weather on the way but not as savage thankfully. I have been building the soil up around them which has held them solid in the past but I think I will need to pack another 5-10cm of soil around them and hope they put out more anchoring roots. The soil itself may have softened up a bit too as the star pickets went in easier than expected. The constant battering from the wind could have worked the soil a bit loose. My smaller B alfrediis were all ok and my much bigger Parajubaeas remained solid though. They can get a similar thing happen.

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Bennz

Tyrone, sorry can you remind me, are you in a cold frost hollow?  Or are those temps you get normal for the area? It seems a lot colder than I would expect for that area.  

No frost anywhere near the house here, coldest night I've recorded so far was 6C. But we got frost up on the hilltops, back valley at 300m elevation and no air drainage the leaves of Ficus columnaris are black, even Alnus cremastogyne foliage is burned brown. The Ficus just up the hillsides slightly are untouched, amazing how much difference even a few metres can make.  Feral deer are more of an issue than frost though, the number of Ficus columnaris seedlings I've lost to deer is now in the hundreds.

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20 hours ago, Tyrone said:

The wind and rain died down yesterday and i was able to check the garden a bit better around sun down last night. My 3 biggest Beccariophoenix alfrediis which are about 2.5m tall which were solid in the ground were now wobbling everywhere and leaning. Not good. I suppose that’s what 50 knot wind gusts can do to them. So down to Bunnings I went and got star pickets and ties and I hooked up the floodlight in the garden to tie them up. Got them secure now because we’ve got more weather on the way but not as savage thankfully. I have been building the soil up around them which has held them solid in the past but I think I will need to pack another 5-10cm of soil around them and hope they put out more anchoring roots. The soil itself may have softened up a bit too as the star pickets went in easier than expected. The constant battering from the wind could have worked the soil a bit loose. My smaller B alfrediis were all ok and my much bigger Parajubaeas remained solid though. They can get a similar thing happen.

Isn't it a pain this time of year, with work and short daylight hours , often having to do garden rescue jobs in the dark.

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