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Friends at St Andrews north of Melbourne ( 219m asl ) had some snow this morning.

And check out the Great Ocean Road ! Low elevation/sea level snow is very rare in Australia !
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Waratah in Tasmania.
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August 2015 near Hobart.
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1 hour ago, greysrigging said:

Friends at St Andrews north of Melbourne ( 219m asl ) had some snow this morning.

And check out the Great Ocean Road ! Low elevation/sea level snow is very rare in Australia !
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Waratah in Tasmania.
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August 2015 near Hobart.
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A mate of mine in Sunbury sent me some video of snow falling in his backyard earlier today, amazing!

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cbmnz
10 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Part of palm garden and lawn underwater. Bamboo area completely awash.

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Tyrone, as well as the flooding that is significant frost damage from last month evident on your plants isn't it. Gardening is a tough gig sometimes.

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40 minutes ago, cbmnz said:

Tyrone, as well as the flooding that is significant frost damage from last month evident on your plants isn't it. Gardening is a tough gig sometimes.

Yep. You speak truth.

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Tyrone

Willyung creek this arvo. It had gone down a bit by then. This is normally a lightly trickling rock weir. This is a couple of kms from my place and a different stream from my area. This is just before it flows into the King river. In the end we received about 107mm since Sunday arvo.

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tropicbreeze

An unusual sight for this time of year.

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6am was 18 at home and got up to 32 maximum. Weekend and next week maximums are expected to be back up to 35.

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greysrigging

A -8.7c ( 16.3f ) in Armidale this morning....brrrr brings back memories of my College days there....
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A new cold record for Tasmania this morning.... -14.2c ( 6.4f ) at Liawenee.  Coldest temp in Australia so far this winter.

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The town of Keith, in South Australia at 36*S has had an interesting year..
"Keith, in the SE of South Australia, about half way between Adelaide and Mt Gambier, has had an interesting year for temperatures. It had its hottest temperature on record last December 20 (49.2°C / 120.6°F) and its coldest temperature on record this morning (-4.7°C / 23.5°F). That’s quite a big range for Australia.

This was at the Munkora site with only 20 years of records, but both records eclipse those at the nearby Keith town site, which has records since 1947.

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Tyrone

You can feel the sun moving south now. Sunrise at 6.54am and sunset at 5.34pm today at my location. I can actually get a bit done after work now. 

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Looks like winter is retreating in Queensland.... a blog post from Anthony Cornelius ( independent meteorologist 

"Early-Spring Warmth Ahead for Queensland!

I know most of Queensland is feeling the impacts of the recent cold snap, but it's hard to imagine in just a few days maximums are going to be pushing into mid 30s in central Queensland which will be around 8C above average for August!

That warmth won't stop there, even the southeast corner will see maximums pushing well into the high 20s!

The sun has already begun its march back to the Southern Hemisphere, and the northern parts of Australia are beginning to warm up. So when another cold front sweeps into southeastern Australia in a couple of days time, the northwest winds ahead of that front will be helping to drag a lot of that warmth into Queensland bringing above average maximums.

It's not too unusual that we see this occur in August (though normally it occurs a little later in August if it does happen). What is unusual is for it to be so warm after such a cold snap!

Two examples, Longreach barely reached 21C today but in two days time is forecast to reach 33C! (34C by Thursday). While Ipswich only reached 18C today (with a wind chill of 8-10C for most of the day!) But expected to reach a warm 29C by Thursday which is an 11C increase"


 

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Tyrone

Except for that one frosty morning we are running above average temps for winter and August looks like being a wetter than average affair which should bring us closer to what we should have by this time of year rainfall wise. Before the frost mid July the plants were already returning to growth in spring mode. My Toona australis all were reshooting and my English oaks at that point we’re still green. Now the Toona has to reshoot again because all the new growth was frosted off. My Butia odorata had a very late fruiting event ripening fruit in May but went straight back into flower production as we plunged into winter. I think that may mean an early but wet spring down here. As long as we get no more frost I will be happy. Still not out of the woods until early September though.

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The coldest town in Tasmania ( Australia ) Liawenee is a town in the Great Lakes District of the Tasmanian Central Highlands.
Located at 42*S and 1055m asl, it has a brutal ( by Australian standards ) winter climate.
Temperatures the last 8 mornings....-10.4c, -4.6c, -4.1c. -14.2c, -6.6c, -11.6c, -11.7c, -9.1c....
I would hate to have to get up in the middle of the night for a trip to the toilet.....
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/station.jsp?lt=site&lc=96033&list=ds

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This morning 6AM it was 21 degrees, forecast for 35 this afternoon.

Humidity has been coming up for a few days now. And for the past week I've had Torresian Imperial Pigeons visiting my place, usually a sign that the build-up is on it's way.

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22 hours ago, tropicbreeze said:


This morning 6AM it was 21 degrees, forecast for 35 this afternoon.

Humidity has been coming up for a few days now. And for the past week I've had Torresian Imperial Pigeons visiting my place, usually a sign that the build-up is on it's way.

Early buildup- does that equal early wet season?

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Some of those snowy photos above are pretty scary.

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tropicbreeze
On 8/13/2020 at 12:32 PM, Tyrone said:

Early buildup- does that equal early wet season?

I don't want to jinx it, however the latest BOM tropical notes says:
"The chance of the first rains for northern Australia arriving early in 2020-21 is higher than average over much of inland northern Australia, with the highest likelihood across southwestern, central and some coastal parts of Queensland, and southern Northern Territory. Other parts of northern Australia have roughly equal chances of an early or late rainfall onset."

But an early buildup is a better sign than no buildup.

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cbmnz

-2C forecast tonight but not the slightest worried, everything covered or under canopy. Had a full day of sun today to soak some heat into all structures. Only 2C forecast for central Auckland city which is low for there.

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Quite a pleasant day in Perth today, it got to a sunny 22c but late afternoon the clouds rolled in and although it's not cold at the moment the rain has started. We're supposed to be in for quite a bit of weather, lots of rain and wind expected with a possible thunderstorm.

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greysrigging

I ventured south of the Berrimah line today, into the wilds of Humpty Doo and even out as far as the Noonamah Badlands along the Elizabeth River Valley.....harsh tough and hot country out there. Several degrees ( in C so more than 5F ) hotter than near the coast in the Northern 'Burbs. And there is a pronounced 'change' in the air, DP's and humidity is up, the last 5 nights have been above 22-23c and atm at home, I'm sitting at the computer desk with the sweat dripping.... first time in months..... the 'Dry' has that done and dusted feel.....

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Tyrone
5 hours ago, cbmnz said:

-2C forecast tonight but not the slightest worried, everything covered or under canopy. Had a full day of sun today to soak some heat into all structures. Only 2C forecast for central Auckland city which is low for there.

A minus 2C forecast would have me crying if it happened here. It would mean a minus 5C in reality. I hope that never happens. I would be selling and moving to Mackay if that happened.

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5 hours ago, sandgroper said:

Quite a pleasant day in Perth today, it got to a sunny 22c but late afternoon the clouds rolled in and although it's not cold at the moment the rain has started. We're supposed to be in for quite a bit of weather, lots of rain and wind expected with a possible thunderstorm.

We got to a sunny 20C here today. I mowed my flooded lawn areas. It was like I was on the everglades with a hovercraft. We’ve already had 150mm for August. The rain is coming down now but it’s not cold at all. We could be past 180mm by the end of the week.In summer I planted a heap of Livistona australis on the high tide mark. When the lake rises they go under slightly but when the rain eases they are above the waterline. I’m hoping they like the flood and drain system they’re planted into. 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Tyrone said:

A minus 2C forecast would have me crying if it happened here. It would mean a minus 5C in reality. I hope that never happens. I would be selling and moving to Mackay if that happened.

Every climate is so different. Even temperatures don't tell you what will grow.  Best guide is to look around and see what is growing in the neighborhood.

Here is a snip from my weather station log, the -2C forecast was about right, but was only below freezing 2.5hours.

At Sun 16 Aug 03:57:27 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:12:37 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.8 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:27:48 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.0 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:42:58 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:58:08 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.6 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:13:18 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.8 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:28:28 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.0 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:43:39 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.2 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:58:49 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:13:59 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.4 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:29:09 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:44:19 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.6 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:59:29 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.9 C
At Sun 16 Aug 07:14:39 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 1.6 C

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The first +38c ( 100f ) of the season in Australia yesterday at Bradshaw, Northern Territory ( 38.8c )
Pretty well bang on the long term average onset of the old 100f mark in Northern Australia. Mid August, the formation of the seasonal heat low over the Kimberley is one of the harbingers of the impending build up.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/station.jsp?lt=site&lc=14954&list=ds

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5 hours ago, cbmnz said:

Every climate is so different. Even temperatures don't tell you what will grow.  Best guide is to look around and see what is growing in the neighborhood.

Here is a snip from my weather station log, the -2C forecast was about right, but was only below freezing 2.5hours.

At Sun 16 Aug 03:57:27 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:12:37 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.8 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:27:48 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.0 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:42:58 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 04:58:08 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.6 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:13:18 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.8 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:28:28 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.0 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:43:39 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.2 C
At Sun 16 Aug 05:58:49 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:13:59 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.4 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:29:09 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -1.3 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:44:19 NZST 2020 outside temperature was -0.6 C
At Sun 16 Aug 06:59:29 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 0.9 C
At Sun 16 Aug 07:14:39 NZST 2020 outside temperature was 1.6 C

Still cold but at least a short freeze. Just trying to be positive. 

The trouble at looking at neighbours yards to see what will grow in my area is they are just small farmlets with almost no variety of suitable plants (palms subtropicals etc) as the nurseries carry nothing down here. Bunnings bring in bottle palms and Latanias from Qld and the NT and any poor unsuspecting person who buys them quickly has them die then concludes that no palms (other than canaries, washies, syagrus rommies,  and the odd bangalow. ) will grow here. 

My garden is quite unique for this far south in WA. I can almost guarantee that no one has tried many of the things I’m growing down here, simply because they don’t know about them and can’t get them even if they wanted them.

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greysrigging
19 minutes ago, Tyrone said:

My garden is quite unique for this far south in WA. I can almost guarantee that no one has tried many of the things I’m growing down here, simply because they don’t know about them and can’t get them even if they wanted them.

I can't speak for gardeners/growers down south, but I believe the era of general palm cultivation in Darwin is well and truly over......there is just so much tropical variety available locally and plants from all over the tropical world are available at local nurserys...... exotic palms nowadays are low on the list of coveted garden essentials.
The heyday of palm culture in Darwin was the '80's into the early 2000's. In the 2020's, the tree loppers are now reaping the benefits..... with a thriving business removing unwanted giants.

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The minimum this morning was 12.5C but at 12.15pm today it is 9C and pelting with rain.

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2 hours ago, greysrigging said:

I can't speak for gardeners/growers down south, but I believe the era of general palm cultivation in Darwin is well and truly over......there is just so much tropical variety available locally and plants from all over the tropical world are available at local nurserys...... exotic palms nowadays are low on the list of coveted garden essentials.
The heyday of palm culture in Darwin was the '80's into the early 2000's. In the 2020's, the tree loppers are now reaping the benefits..... with a thriving business removing unwanted giants.

What’s popular goes in cycles. The Victorian era was probably the first palm period. The 1980s into the 2000s was too. Palms are not big on the gardening agenda here either. But a lot of people want that Balinese tropical resort look. Who can deny that a well grown landscape with green healthy palms and companion planting is a not a nice place to hang out. Just most people don’t know how or can’t be bothered achieving it themselves. We live in the era of the theatre room and the internet now.

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5 hours ago, Tyrone said:

Still cold but at least a short freeze. Just trying to be positive. 

The trouble at looking at neighbours yards to see what will grow in my area is they are just small farmlets with almost no variety of suitable plants (palms subtropicals etc) as the nurseries carry nothing down here. Bunnings bring in bottle palms and Latanias from Qld and the NT and any poor unsuspecting person who buys them quickly has them die then concludes that no palms (other than canaries, washies, syagrus rommies,  and the odd bangalow. ) will grow here. 

My garden is quite unique for this far south in WA. I can almost guarantee that no one has tried many of the things I’m growing down here, simply because they don’t know about them and can’t get them even if they wanted them.

On 10th July it was below freezing here for 9 hours, so I know anything that did not get damaged by that is in no danger from these frosts. Trying to be the first to grow a certain species in an area is always tempting, some say don't do it but I'm as bad as everyone else at not  being able to resist trying!

Albany town must have plenty of established gardens but I guess it's more coastal so not a great guide for you.

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46 minutes ago, cbmnz said:

On 10th July it was below freezing here for 9 hours, so I know anything that did not get damaged by that is in no danger from these frosts. Trying to be the first to grow a certain species in an area is always tempting, some say don't do it but I'm as bad as everyone else at not  being able to resist trying!

Albany town must have plenty of established gardens but I guess it's more coastal so not a great guide for you.

Yes, in town plenty of Kentias Archontophoenix, Phoenix, and Washingtonia. Nothing special. Very rare Rhopalostylis.

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Tyrone

Foul as all hell out there at the moment. Cold wet and blowing a gale. There's just no stop to the wind and rain. Only around 11C at 1pm. We've already got past the 180mm mark for August and its only the 17th. The average for August is just over 120mm of rain. We've got around 30mm coming over the next 10 days so we will well and truly go past 200mm this month.

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greysrigging

Another Polar outbreak forecast for south eastern Australia this weekend

 

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25 minutes ago, greysrigging said:

Another Polar outbreak forecast for south eastern Australia this weekend

 

Looks like S / SE Australia has been getting smacked by these colder bouts this winter. We have so far been spared of anything too major in the way of antarctic blasts... but I won't speak too soon. The odds of a massive cold snap are decreasing by the day (16-17 degrees here today, feels like spring has arrived!) but no one wants one this late in the season. Lambing starts now so farmers won't be keen at all either.

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According to BOM Perth has been experiencing a colder than average august and I can believe it! It's been bloody cold and wet lately, I generally enjoy winter but I am now ready for some warmer weather.

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We are expecting near record maximum ( for August ) temps in the Top End over the next couple of days. Not so much on the coast ( ie Darwin ), moreso inland and in the Katherine, Douglas-Daly and Vic River/Gregory Districts. Between 37c and 39c. The Australian record for August is 40c. ( 104f )
Tindal RAAF Base near Katherine has broken the site record and equaled the old Town record today ( 37.7c ) 99.86f.

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greysrigging
2 hours ago, sandgroper said:

According to BOM Perth has been experiencing a colder than average august and I can believe it! It's been bloody cold and wet lately, I generally enjoy winter but I am now ready for some warmer weather.

Wonder how that rogue coconut is faring ?

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4 hours ago, greysrigging said:

Wonder how that rogue coconut is faring ?

It's faring better than it's owner at present, I'm over the cold! It is actually holding up ok, looks a bit rough but it is hanging in there considering the lack of protection this winter. I'm quite confident that it has survived and as the weather warms up should start looking reasonable again soon.

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