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Trying Carpoxylon macrospermum in SoCal

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Inspired by Matt’s write up in the PSSC Palm Journal, I got one from George Sparkman to try in my front yard. It gets sun from morning until 3pm.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, joe_OC said:

Inspired by Matt’s write up in the PSSC Palm Journal, I got one from George Sparkman to try in my front yard. It gets sun from morning until 3pm.  

Joe, I can already see this will eventually be a long string with plenty of updates over the years!  Wish you success with it!

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Joe, you go, bro!

Let us know . . .

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Nice

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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That's gonna be a lot of sun for it to start off.  I'd hang a shade cloth for a few years.

 

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How much sun was yours getting, Matt?

Huntington Beach, CA

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Sunset Zone 24

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Really wanted that palm too but it's not gonna make it where I am, so I am going to live vicariously through you! Fingers crossed!

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So... this palm cant grow in California?

Good grief. Seems this beautiful palm gets the same rap (or worse) as a Cocos nucifera in Cali...

 

Good luck! And do your best. 

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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2 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

So... this palm cant grow in California?

Good grief. Seems this beautiful palm gets the same rap (or worse) as a Cocos nucifera in Cali...

 

Good luck! And do your best. 

 

2 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

So... this palm cant grow in California?

Good grief. Seems this beautiful palm gets the same rap (or worse) as a Cocos nucifera in Cali...

 

Good luck! And do your best. 

Matty's got a beautiful one growing in So Cal. 

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This palm have proven tough for me in FL and has nothing to do with cold, it's just a tough palm to keep happy.

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I had two of these die on me before I succeeded with the 3rd. I grew it to 7g size and planted it in partial shade on a ridge overlooking our canal.  Photo shows it as of 2018. It loves the heat, humidity and summer rain. They are tricky palms to grow if their demands aren't met. I agree with Matt: shield yours with shade cloth over the your dry summer.

Carpoxylon macrosperma, Cape Coral, FL  2018

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Matty's got just the right zone for growing this in SoCal. His looks awesome. I have tried them twice near the coast. In each case they grew reasonably well for about 3 years, but then were taken out by a cool, damp, extended Winter. Being more inland, I suspect that Matty's temps warm up quicker than mine do on a daily basis which has to help with this species. I don't think I'll try this one again, as beautiful as it is.

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That’s why I planted mine where I did.  There is a lanceolata to the left of it that provides it protection from the summer sun, but the wall will provide it radiant heat during the winters.

Thats why I got a very large one for CA standards to have some mass to it to handle the cool winters.  We’ll see.  Definitely worth a try.  

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In summer heat they do not tolerate any dry soil. So keep moist in the heat but in the cool of winter don't get them too wet and don't let them completely dry out. It's a tight rope in winter just giving them what they want without over doing it. I had a nice one growing in my Perth garden. Then my tenants turned the irrigation off in summer and it just died and rotted away just leaving a shrivelled corpse. :(

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Looks like you got a nice sized plant to start with Joe. I hope it does well for you. Matty’s looks great and it would be nice to see more people pull this off in So Cal. They really are a perfect palm in my opinion with their overall shape and coloring. Not many palms come close to Carpoxylon! 

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I joined the party also along with Joe, but mine gets full sun until late. I had a very small one in the same location in a pot that did fine with no screen. I put up some screen to give it a chance to adapt and looks like its already helping with the burn in with our dry conditions. The burn on the left leaf occurred before we picked up the palm. Only time will tell, but so far it is a very slow mover. Hopefully will pickup speed as it gets warmer.

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13 hours ago, joe_OC said:

That’s why I planted mine where I did.  There is a lanceolata to the left of it that provides it protection from the summer sun, but the wall will provide it radiant heat during the winters.

Thats why I got a very large one for CA standards to have some mass to it to handle the cool winters.  We’ll see.  Definitely worth a try.  

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Time for an update!  Palm has opened two fronds for me so far.  Emerging frond is about two feet tall.  The older fronds have held up much better than I had anticipated.  Palm is holding 4.5 fronds at this time.  Here is a pic of it taken just moments ago:

 

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First Winter is pretty a wrap.  The Palm has done well with the cold so far.  It did not yellow as bad as I had thought.  New spear is about 30” tall.  Hope to get two new fronds again this year.  

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Nice work getting that through its first winter.  That's no small feat.  So, how's it doing now with all the summer heat? Should be loving it as long as you're keeping it wet.

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It's doing fine.  Has a new emerging spear coming out.  I did lose the latest frond to super hot, dry winds.  Completely dried it out when it was still just opening.  Did not have time to harden up.

Huntington Beach, CA

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Yeah, they're difficult to acclimate to our hot dry sun.  Mine is very well established and it's burning again because I cut down a large foxtail that was above it.  Cool thing is that the two most recent leaves have come out really compact and recurved.  Super rad look, which is what I wanted all along.

 

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9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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CAN CARPOXYLON, TAKE FULL SUN, AND WINDY DAYS, WHEN 5 G ? OR NEED SHADE ? AND PLENTY WATER? CAN THEY COPE WITH SANDY SOILS ?

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Any soil recommendations? Just keep the palm/cactus mix moist?

Anything to add to the pot to help these beasts?

Thanks if you can share your knowledge.

Ben

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On 11/5/2020 at 11:25 AM, Frond-friend42 said:

Any soil recommendations? Just keep the palm/cactus mix moist?

Anything to add to the pot to help these beasts?

Thanks if you can share your knowledge.

Ben

Mine likes a lot of water.  Responds very well to heat, but not full sun.

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

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On 9/2/2020 at 5:11 PM, Patrick Palms said:

CAN CARPOXYLON, TAKE FULL SUN, AND WINDY DAYS, WHEN 5 G ? OR NEED SHADE ? AND PLENTY WATER? CAN THEY COPE WITH SANDY SOILS ?

I don't know what your full sun is like.  I am a believer that palms should grow into the sun.  If you have sandy soil, you will need to amend organics or fertilize

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