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Ravenea julietiae Growth Spurt


PalmatierMeg

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I am doing spring checkups on my back yard container garden and discovered my potted Ravenea julietiae has made a quantum leap of a growth spurt - at least for this species. This Ravenea from eastern Madagascar is rare and endangered. I tried planting a seedling in my jungle about 10 years ago. It never grew a lick and survived 2 years before succumbing. Next time I found a seedling I left it potted, where lingered and grew maybe 1 leaf per year. I made a decision to treat it like a Cham. tuerck., i.e., set it under deep canopy then left it to its own devices. Lo, it began grow more leaves and get larger. Today I finally repotted and took the following photos. This is such a neat palm that reminds me of a cycad more than a Ravenea. Slow but rewarding grower.

Ravenea julietieae, Cape Coral, FL

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Great palm Meg! The best Ravenea hands down to grow, & one of the nicest looking as well.

Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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8 minutes ago, quaman58 said:

Great palm Meg! The best Ravenea hands down to grow, & one of the nicest looking as well.

Thanks, Bret. Just wish it was a bit faster growing and I were a few decades younger.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Meg,

The nice thing is that as it gets waist high or so every frond gets 20% longer. So within 4-5 fronds you've now got a palm head high or better.

Bret

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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Here in Southern California, I typically see about 3 leaves/year on mine.

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Super cool plant. I like the long petioles. Only 2 fronds per year for me. This one planted under a R. Glauca, so partially shaded. Maybe why t's a bit slower? Also takes ultra dry Santa Ana winds with no problems.

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Mission Viejo, CA

Limited coastal influence

5-10 days of frost

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1 hour ago, Tracy said:

Here in Southern California, I typically see about 3 leaves/year on mine.

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This plant seems to grow well for us in Southern CA.

And it seems the growth rate is robust as well. Perhaps I need to consider one for my garden.

 

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1 hour ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Were does one in so cal acquire one of these ?

I've seen them regularly at Jungle Music. Should be easy to find as lots of them became available a few years back. I've never seen a bad one in anyone's garden. Tracey's & Brett's look killer.

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Bret

 

Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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They are pretty much impossible to find in FL, at least recently.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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10 hours ago, The Steve said:

How do these compare to sambariensis?

I'd like to know that, too.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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10 hours ago, The Steve said:

How do these compare to sambariensis?

Steve,

These are more trouble free than sambariensis, & more cold hardy for sure. My sam. spots every winter, although looks pretty good most of the time. Growth rate is similar. I also think julietae is more sun hardy when young. And for me, holds more leaves & has a lusher look. I think this is a palm that actually may look it's best prior to trunking. I probably mentioned this before, but Joe (Palma) has a great sambariensis..

 

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Coastal canyon area of San Diego

 

"In the shadow of the Cross"

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I never had much luck with Sambariensis in Mission Viejo. They grow, but never look healthy. I had one get head high after a few years, then sat there and struggled until I removed it. I note they do much better with some coastal influence. Here at my place it appears to get too cold in the winter.

Mission Viejo, CA

Limited coastal influence

5-10 days of frost

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12 hours ago, Brett in Mission Viejo said:

I never had much luck with Sambariensis in Mission Viejo. They grow, but never look healthy. I had one get head high after a few years, then sat there and struggled until I removed it. I note they do much better with some coastal influence. Here at my place it appears to get too cold in the winter.

I had one (Ravenea sambiranensis) but much as you describe it struggled even on the coast here.  Mine never really got well established and ended up getting fatally damaged in a winter wind storm a couple of years back.  Ironically I saw what I think was a very nice one today at San Diego zoo.

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Here in cloudy, rainy east Hawaii Island, the three Ravenea sambiranensis I planted two years ago in full sun have grown like Jack's beanstalk. The julietiae I planted a year and a half ago (again full sun) has shown no growth at all, but looks healthy.

Mike Merritt

Big Island of Hawaii, windward, rainy side, 740 feet (225 meters) elevation

165 inches (4,200 mm) of rain per year, 66 to 83 deg F (20 to 28 deg C) in summer, 62 to 80 deg F (16.7 to 26.7 Deg C) in winter.

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I am hoping to see photos of some larger Ravenea julietiae.  The last leaf to open on mine has pushed up to about 7' long (about 2.1 meters) and the unopened spear is just shy of 6' now.  Please share a photo of what yours looks like particularly anything more mature and preferably in the ground.  I'm sure these stretch in a greenhouse, so it wouldn't be representative of what to anticipate as they get larger.  I've seen the habitat photos on Palmpedia, but there wasn't much in gardens to know what to expect in between smaller plants and mature habitat specimens.

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Head over to Bill Schaefers... fantastic one there.

 

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Ravenea julietiae kept pushing this last new spear right through winter.  It's just starting to open up now.  It is such a distinctive looking palm at this size, very upright with it's deep green leaflets.  The leaflets are reminiscent of a Lepidozamia peroffskyana but the actual leaves are much more erect (last photo for comparison).  I liked this plant so much that I planted a second one a while back.

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This palm seems to not be picky when it comes to sun. Mine has been in full shade for about 4 years and went from a 12” one gallon to about 6 ft. Interesting how it looks the same as the guys growing it in full sun. I need another one I think. 

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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2020 update on my Ravenea julietiae. It continues growing at its own pace. I keep it under canopy in my jungle. Would get another if I could find one.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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4 minutes ago, PalmatierMeg said:

2020 update on my Ravenea julietiae. It continues growing at its own pace. I keep it under canopy in my jungle. Would get another if I could find one.

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What a fantastic palm! You have a green thumb @PalmatierMeg

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

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Thank you, Alex.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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I have about 7 of these palms still in pots that I bought from 2 sources both as R albicans. I germinated some seed from RPS as R albicans and bought some seedlings probably from RPS seed from Rosebud farm from the late Rich Trapnell. They are the same species. Anyway these are not R albicans as that species has white under the leaf and the seedlings are meant to be bifid. These have no white underneath the leaf and are pinnate from the first leaf. R julietae is meant to be bifid from the first leaf. This could be a new undescribed species but i think it keys out better as R louvelii or at a push P krociana. I doubt very much that they are julietae, if they are the same as my bunch which they certainly look like. Rats and rabbits seem to love them but they grow back and they are an extremely easy grow. I will plant my seven all in a group and see what happens. Hopefully I can produce more seed in the future.

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On 3/2/2020 at 3:29 AM, Tyrone said:

I have about 7 of these palms still in pots that I bought from 2 sources both as R albicans. I germinated some seed from RPS as R albicans and bought some seedlings probably from RPS seed from Rosebud farm from the late Rich Trapnell. They are the same species. Anyway these are not R albicans as that species has white under the leaf and the seedlings are meant to be bifid. These have no white underneath the leaf and are pinnate from the first leaf. R julietae is meant to be bifid from the first leaf. This could be a new undescribed species but i think it keys out better as R louvelii or at a push P krociana. I doubt very much that they are julietae, if they are the same as my bunch which they certainly look like. Rats and rabbits seem to love them but they grow back and they are an extremely easy grow. I will plant my seven all in a group and see what happens. Hopefully I can produce more seed in the future.

Tyrone, would love to see what yours look like.  Share some photos.  I can't remember if it was either Tim or Bill Austin on the Big Island that had a large real thing Ravenea julietiae and I posted a photo of mine and asked if his looked similar at the age mine was.  The answer was a resounding no.  I am curious what it really is but as you say they are attractive and once established seem to be a quick grow.  I added a second which seems to still be in that establishment phase but the older one keeps pushing out longer and thicker new leaves from the ground.  The deep green leaflets really are spectacular and they take up very little real estate thus far.

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@The Steve and @PalmatierMeg, I'll give my two cents'  . . . .

Sambirinensis are easy for me in pots; they really seem to like lots of water and fast draining soil. Put them in the ground in my clay, they just die. I think the answer is to plant them on a sandy mound and water a lot.

Julietae are a lot slower in the pots, but they do move along in the ground for me though far from fast. Not sure they'd do in Florida, but lawdy miss clawdy there's some spectacular specimens, there @joe_OC, @Tracy et al. @Chris Chance how about  picture, please pretty please?

 

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