Hybrid

[Marius]

Hi Everyone. 

Please look at the pic and tell me if you agree that the palms are Butia x Syagrus. Are these mule palms different looking depending on which parent gave pollen?  

Butia x Syagrus 

OR

Syagrus x Butia 

if so. Which ones are on the pic?  

Thanks

[Tom in Tucson]

They appear to be "mule palms" (Butia x Syagrus). Syagrus x Butia are very uncommon.

Hi 77˚, Lo 37˚

[MAUSER]

No veo ningún butiagrus. They are normal butias whose leaves are stretched because of phototropism, due to lack of sunlight inside a nursery

Edited February 27, 2019 by MAUSER

[Alicehunter2000]

Fronds look very plumose if it's Butia. Looks more like a mule to me. Butia holds leaflets on a flat plane in an overall v shape.

[redant]

Here is my mule for comparison, no spikes on the fronds at all. I have this at a camp in Polk county.

[Marius]

Thanks for the inputs thus far. My reason for thinking Butia x Syagrus was the plumose leaves, as I too have never seen that in Butia 

[MAUSER]

Believe me what I tell you, I have been doing butiagrus and other species for more than 15 years and I identify the mules quickly. The trunks are also of butia.

The one of another photo of redant, it is.

[Marius]

Thanks for the input Mauser 

[MAUSER]

I will create a thread with photos (in my spare time), in a Spanish palm tree forum, with the points to keep in mind for the identification of butiagrus. When it's finished I'll put a link in Palmtalk for the one who wants to read it.
Greetings

[Trava]

Which Butia sp. is that?

[MAUSER]

It looks like Butia yatai

[xvang01]

Looks like a butia x syagrus coronata. 

[gyuseppe]

5 hours ago, xvang01 said:

Looks like a butia x syagrus coronata. 

maybe id is correct

[Marius]

I bought one of them. Here are more pics. They have been growing in full sun. 

[sergiskan]

Looks like it has some S. Coronata in it.

[Marius]

29 minutes ago, sergiskan said:

Looks like it has some S. Coronata in it.

I wonder about that too. 

[RJ]

Are those seeds at the base? 

[Marius]

2 hours ago, RJ said:

Are those seeds at the base? 

Yes, but I think they are from a Syagrus that was standing nearby 

[Marius]

I think I’ve discovered the ID of this palm looking at photos on Palmpedia. It appears to be Syagrus coronata. 

[Phoenikakias]

On 2/27/2019 at 5:28 PM, MAUSER said:

Believe me what I tell you, I have been doing butiagrus and other species for more than 15 years and I identify the mules quickly. The trunks are also of butia.

The one of another photo of redant, it is.

Lol

[Phoenikakias]

Fortunately this thread has not ended up disastrously.

[MAUSER]

On 4/2/2019 at 7:13 AM, Marius said:

Compré uno de ellos. Aquí hay unmás fotos. Han estado creciendo a pleno sol. 

 

apparently the thread was about hybrids, in the end it was not a hybrid ... although I was wrong to the species to not see the last photos, in the end it was not a hybrid.

These details of the sheets were not appreciated in the first photos. It can always be rectified. 

Edited August 5, 2019 by MAUSER

[Marius]

Yes. It’s a great feeling to have the mystery solved.

[Phoenikakias]

43 minutes ago, Marius said:

Yes. It’s a great feeling to have the mystery solved.

Always!