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I recently have bought some Sabal Louisianas because I thought they were basically the same as Sabal Minors in terms of hardiness. But I’ve been finding conflicting reports on their hardiness. Some say they are equal to Sabal Minor, and some say they aren’t as hardy. I’m afraid that they’ll croak in my Zone 7b. Has anyone had experience with S. Louisiana? Would they be possible in a Maryland 7b/8a? Or are they more of a solid zone 8? 

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Allen

My belief is they are around 5F hardy.   And Minor is -5F-0F hardy.  When smaller before they get a trunk they may be hardier because of the warmth of the ground.  (ie closer).  I would wrap in a blanket in arctic events below 10 or 5F if you want to be safer.  They have a pretty good shot in your area.  Plant in late April if temps look good.

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mdsonofthesouth
5 hours ago, Allen said:

My belief is they are around 5F hardy.   And Minor is -5F-0F hardy.  When smaller before they get a trunk they may be hardier because of the warmth of the ground.  (ie closer).  I would wrap in a blanket in arctic events below 10 or 5F if you want to be safer.  They have a pretty good shot in your area.  Plant in late April if temps look good.

 

All good news for me as I was starting to lean sabal Louisiana.

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Allen

Sabal minor and Louisiana are much more resilient to ice/spear pull events.  Think of Louisiana as a fast growing minor.

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Brad Mondel

I lost my potted Louisiana last winter when it hit 15F but they would probably be fine in the ground. 

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mdsonofthesouth

Now whats the difference between sabal Louisiana and bluestem? I only kinda know that bluestem is a similar most likely less hardy Florida version. But I could be wrong...

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cm05

I believe they’re as hardy as regular minor.

 

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sashaeffer

From my personal experience here in my 5b/6a climate (although this winter it's more like a 3a lol) the Sabal Louisiana is the most cold hardy palm other than the Needle.  My first was between a seedling and a 1 gallon that first couple of winters only had a small plastic pop up greenhouse and a 50ct ministring of lights for any kind of warmth. The protection did not offer ANY thermal protection at all, yet the palm came through totally unscathed and has done so each winter since. Now that it's grown some height  I now use a 55 gallon plastic barrel to protect it.

I have since looked for these palms and they are not always easy to find especially outside the 1 gallon size.    I have around 25 palms planted in the ground I over winter of various species and now have 4 S. Louisianas part of that group.  For me, it's my go to outdoor palm because of how tough it is.

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Tropicdoc

I understood Sabal Louisiana was just a sabal minor that pushed its trunk above ground. I understand that Sabal Minor has a huge subterranean trunk. That would mean that until any of the sabals push their trunk above an insulated ground they would come back from the trunk. 

I also thought that it was debatable that they were actually separate species and that possibly Lousiana's high water table and clay soil sends the trunk of a sabal minor up looking for fresh air, resulting in Sabal minor "Louisiana"

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PalmTreeDude

This does not have anything to do with Sabal Louisianas hardiness, but holy moly look at this one from the USDA Plant Database in Southern Louisiana. It's not the biggest one, but imagine seeing that in a swamp. https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/largeImage?imageID=salo14_002_avp.tif 

salo14_002_lvp.jpg

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
On ‎2‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 3:34 PM, Tropicdoc said:

I understood Sabal Louisiana was just a sabal minor that pushed its trunk above ground. I understand that Sabal Minor has a huge subterranean trunk. That would mean that until any of the sabals push their trunk above an insulated ground they would come back from the trunk. 

I also thought that it was debatable that they were actually separate species and that possibly Lousiana's high water table and clay soil sends the trunk of a sabal minor up looking for fresh air, resulting in Sabal minor "Louisiana"

Very interesting to hear it explained that way I'm very intrigued now as I just got my hands on a Louisiana =)

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Tropicdoc

We’ll see if it trunks!

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