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Syagrus x Jubea & Butia x Lytocarium


Alicehunter2000

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Does anyone have these two hybrids and can you show pics? Thanks (not Jubea x Syagrus)

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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I've got a strap BXLyto not much to look at currently. 

I can snap a pic, bit of an ugly duckling currently IMO

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RJ....do you have a feel for what size palm it will become? width/height?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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syagrus x jubaea- not the best pic.  That was taken in June, it grew out a lot late in the year.  It’s been slower growing than jubaea x syagrus. 

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butia x lyto- this was a strap leaf seedling in April of 2015.  It took off this year and doubled in size.  It resembles a smaller, slender butiagrus.  

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Wow! Those are both great looking hybrids.  Would you take a pic of your JxS for comparison....we're they all the same size when you got them?

You probaby have the largest example of these two hybrids anywhere.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Thank you.  I obtained them at different times from Patric- all strap leaf seedlings. The SxJ is at least 6-7 yrs old- I’ll have to look up when I bought it.  The JxS I bought the same time as SxJ was MUCH faster growing.  It grew in-ground in Dallas, then transplanted to San Marcos.  It grew rapidly there, then was killed by the evil rhino beetle!  I have a younger JxS with a different leaf form - I’ll have to take a pic of it.  

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On 12/21/2018, 6:17:54, Alicehunter2000 said:

RJ....do you have a feel for what size palm it will become? width/height?

Sorry I neglected to reply to this. David, I certainly think it's going to be smaller then a typical B X S, i'ts strap leaf's are smaller and much coarser then a typical mule. As I noted it another thread mine looks difference then Matt's for sure as a strap leaf. When I spoke with Patric I don't think there is a mature specimen of any of these, and as you noted Matt may have the largest B X L.w . 

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This is a pic of Ben in Norcal's B X L.w that he posted awhile back. I saved to for reference. Hope he doesn't mind me posting it. :greenthumb:

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So little room left in my yard that the BxL would probably be the ticket for a courtyard palm. Interesting that SxJ would be slower than the reverse. 

If B. odorata gets 30ft. and Lytocarium weds get 10ft. And Lytocariem is the pollen doner....maybe the hybrid will max out at 20ft. ? ....would probably take a long time ...thinking of putting it here

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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If you look at the bottom you can see a L. hoene ...there are tworse small L. weds there too ....very slow...not enough water or good soil. Going to move them into pots. 

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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2 minutes ago, Alicehunter2000 said:

So little room left in my yard that the BxL would probably be the ticket for a courtyard palm. Interesting that SxJ would be slower than the reverse. 

If B. odorata gets 30ft. and Lytocarium weds get 10ft. And Lytocariem is the pollen doner....maybe the hybrid will max out at 20ft. ? ....would probably take a long time ...thinking of putting it here

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I love planters next pools. When we install ours I certainly plan to include them. We don't typically screen in pools up here, but I know it's common in your neck of the woods. My cousin in Pensacola has his pool screened in. I don't recall how high it was but certainly not 20ft.... 

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BxL almost to fat for this area.....I don't know .... maybe not a good spot.... C. crinita might be cool looking since the area gets cold protection anyways?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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On 12/23/2018 at 9:24 AM, Matt N- Dallas said:

syagrus x jubaea- not the best pic.  That was taken in June, it grew out a lot late in the year.  It’s been slower growing than jubaea x syagrus. 

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Matt N-Dallas: Nice pic of Syagrus x Jubaea. How low a temperature has it withstood?

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Hah! When I saw the title of the thread I thought you were talking about a 4 way cross! 

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On 5/13/2020 at 9:21 PM, 8B palms said:

That would be a cool hybrid and pretty cold hardy also.

Yes 8B Palms, the S x J would be a beautiful addition to our landscape here in Florida, especially in North and Central. With our abundance of queen palms to be the mother palms, getting Jubaea pollen would be the only challenge, but could be made easier with the right connections on the west coast where Jubaeas grow./howfam

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There is a sxJ in Texas city that I sold to a member along with a butia x parajubaea cocosoids

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18 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

There is a sxJ in Texas city that I sold to a member along with a butia x parajubaea cocosoids

Really I work in Texas City I wonder if they planted out front I can drive by and check it out haha 

T J 

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I drove by their house last week to check on them and I didnt see them out front so they must have planted them in the back.  

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2 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

I drove by their house last week to check on them and I didnt see them out front so they must have planted them in the back.  

If there PT members , an update on them would be awesome B)

T J 

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