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Cooler than expected on Tuesday with a max of just 27C / 80F here. There was quite a bit of cloud cover during the morning, but the skies cleared during the afternoon. The last chance at getting some rain for weeks has come to absolutely nothing. Worryingly, I have only had 1mm / 0.04 inches of rainfall in almost 6 weeks now.

High pressure moves in on Wednesday afternoon too, effectively bolstering the blocking effect. So August is going to be another erroneously dry month here. The GFS model has zero rainfall out to the 18th August now and also brings back the 40C temperature again as well. The drought situation will intensify significantly if this verifies.

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Here's a video of the Hounslow forest/bush fire today in London. It doesn't look too bad during the first 20-25 seconds or so, but then the flames suddenly come roaring up over the trees & bushes. The sound of it spreading, rapidly and explosively, is pretty creepy. It's a daily occurrence now though in the UK capital. There is a slight language/curse warning on it, but you can always skip the video 00:25 seconds in to avoid the swear and see the flames rapidly engulf the trees & bushes. Pretty crazy.

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Ryland

It's currently 18.4 after a very mild night with a low of 17.6.  Days have been average for the time of year - low 20s generally (a few days high teens), but nights very warm.  I'm astonished by all the dry grass down in London @UK_Palms and all this news about a drought and hosepipe bans... feels like it hasn't stopped raining here since the heatwave passed.  Yesterday was absolutely chucking it down for most of the day.  Looks like we have a dry week ahead but very far from drought conditions here.

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UK_Palms

@Ryland London and Manchester really are two different climates. We are significantly drier, sunnier and warmer down here, especially during summer. There is a pretty big contrast/difference between southeast England and northwest England, so they cannot both be classified as standard temperate oceanic. Southeast England is clearly more Mediterranean nowadays. The array of palms down here is also a testament to that. A year ago I had people on here saying I am stupid and making false claims for saying that London is trending towards warm-summer Med (Csb). Yet clearly this year London is running at full-blown Csb conditions. I’m not saying London & southeast England is a true Csb climate, but the trend is more evident than ever. There is a clear transition going on. This summer is just like 2018 all over again, except even drier and hotter. 

More hosepipe/sprinkler bans are coming into effect now for southeast counties. Roughly 4 million people under water restrictions now, but soon to be 25 million.


I am also hearing talk of them flooding some of the London parks with seawater to fend off desertification. The grass is totally dead and eradicated in places now. They will need to replant it. Some localised spots may have had as little as 3 inches of rain this year. Central and south London is particularly bad right now and about to get a whole lot worse! There probably isn’t going to be any meaningful rain this August.

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They are using water sprinklers in London but it is just sooooo dry that it barely has any effect. Those water sprinklers will be banned next week too, when London also gets placed on water restrictions. There is just no ground water down to below 1 meter due to the length of the drought now. 

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Palmensammler

Here in southwest Germany we have temps up to 40°C/104°F and no rain for weeks. Feels like the southwest of the US.  Currently we still ahve around 28°C/83°F and no rain in sight.

My Yuccas, Agaves and Cacti are enjoying these temps. My lawn looks very dry with large crevices in the ground.

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Foxpalms

@UK_PalmsThis is why a month ago I said the south east of the UK needs to be planting plants that are more suitable for the future conditions of the south east things such as Washingtonia and Eucalyptus that can handle droughts and higher temperatures better than other species plus they look better! They also grow well already and are hardy here so there no reason why more shouldn't be planted especially in London. If the droughts get worse in the future maybe the south east might need desalination plants so we can use seawater to water parks to keep them green in the summer. Whilst I don't think it will happen a few forecasts are showing 40c temps for London later this month the majority are in the 30s though but there is a small chance at the moment it could go over 40c again.

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JohnAndSancho

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RyManUtah

104F / 40c

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sandgroper
12 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

@Ryland. A year ago I had people on here saying I am stupid and making false claims for saying that London is trending towards warm-summer Med (Csb). 

A big part of your problem was posting pictures of Spain or wherever and claiming they were pictures of Surrey. Also New Zealand volcano pics, you got caught out telling porkies mate, hard to regain credibility after that.

Anyway, this thread is about current temperatures. Currently around 16c in Perth, close to the expected maximum of 17c, cold and wet again today after the third cold front in as many days.

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UK_Palms

Max of 27.6C / 80F again here on Wednesday. It hasn't been particularly hot lately, just excessively dry. The wildfires continue to burn in my area. Rain looks scarce still...

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GFS suggests another major heatwave may be brewing too, as Fox palms also mentioned...

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@sandgroper That's not relevant as to why people challenged or rejected the warm-summer Med (Csb) transitional claims. There was a debate about our summers supposedly getting drier or wetter here and about the annual rainfall patterns in general. Plus the Csb debate was specifically centred around datasets and trends, not 'pictures'.

This summer, and this year in general, clearly supports the Csb argument. In fact this summer almost blows the entire argument out the water as we are clearly running at proper, true Csb conditions over here by definition. London and southeast England is trending heavily towards warm-summer Med nowadays. People will still argue it though.

Anyone can challenge my pictures, or reverse image search them if they think they are not from the UK. I post hyperlinks to support most of them. Anyway, a low of 17C here at sunrise it seems. However there are some chilly nights coming up now under the clear skies, before temperatures trend upwards again over the weekend and into next week.

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Tyrone
On 8/4/2022 at 6:37 AM, Foxpalms said:

@UK_PalmsThis is why a month ago I said the south east of the UK needs to be planting plants that are more suitable for the future conditions of the south east things such as Washingtonia and Eucalyptus that can handle droughts and higher temperatures better than other species plus they look better! They also grow well already and are hardy here so there no reason why more shouldn't be planted especially in London. If the droughts get worse in the future maybe the south east might need desalination plants so we can use seawater to water parks to keep them green in the summer. Whilst I don't think it will happen a few forecasts are showing 40c temps for London later this month the majority are in the 30s though but there is a small chance at the moment it could go over 40c again.

I would never recommend planting Eucalyptus in a place where you are already struggling with wild fires. Your native trees which burst into flames are nothing compared to a Eucalyptus going up. They in comparison explode into flames. The air around them basically ignites due to the oils they put out into the air. They also do require water to grow. Even in the arid areas of Australia where virtually nothing grows, you can tell a water course from miles away due to the Eucalyptus growing around them. 

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Foxpalms
20 minutes ago, Tyrone said:

I would never recommend planting Eucalyptus in a place where you are already struggling with wild fires. Your native trees which burst into flames are nothing compared to a Eucalyptus going up. They in comparison explode into flames. The air around them basically ignites due to the oils they put out into the air. They also do require water to grow. Even in the arid areas of Australia where virtually nothing grows, you can tell a water course from miles away due to the Eucalyptus growing around them. 

I mean around property development such as carparks newly built houses and shopping centers where they would have irrigation since the majority of fires are In parks and fields except for the 40c day where there were lots of house fires as well so it would be much lower risk and unlikely there will be fires there since aren't quite a few eucalyptus species more drought tolerant than other tree species? My thought was that they can handle drought and heat better than native tree species so in a low risk urban area where all the native trees are wilting and look terrible even watered ones Washingtonia and Eucalyptus would be better species for handling drought and heat in the future.

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JohnAndSancho

SE TX still in a drought and under a burn ban but I just got bit by a mosquito. Nature is healing. 

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sandgroper
20 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

 

@sandgroper That's not relevant as to why people challenged or rejected the warm-summer Med (Csb) transitional claims. There was a debate about our summers supposedly getting drier or wetter here and about the annual rainfall patterns in general. Plus the Csb debate was specifically centred around datasets and trends, not 'pictures'.

This summer, and this year in general, clearly supports the Csb argument. In fact this summer almost blows the entire argument out the water as we are clearly running at proper, true Csb conditions over here by definition. London and southeast England is trending heavily towards warm-summer Med nowadays. People will still argue it though.

Yair, whatever you like sport, you live in tropics. 

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UK_Palms

Mildest day in a while on Thursday with a max of just 24.6C / 76F. Kind of welcome actually before the 30C+ heat returns again next week... 

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This is St. James Park in central London, which I don't think I have posted about yet. It's no different to anywhere else in London - a total dustbowl beyond oblivion.

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The new normal here in southern England. At least this year anyway. Non-stop fires. This one on Thursday near Rochester in Kent...

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JohnAndSancho

83 with a heat index of 89 right now. Kinda nice. 

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Tyrone

Had quite a bit of rain lately. The place is saturated and my new billabongs and drainage systems I put in in the summer are all full. Had a min of 2.3C this morning. The sun is out and we are going for a top of 15C. I may be able to get some weed spraying in if it dries out enough. Rain is back tonight for many more days. 

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Silas_Sancona

 Toasty Saturday around the East Valley..  Few deg. cooler tomorrow, then maybe hanging around 100 most or all of next week.. Rain chances increase again starting tomorrow, but, we'll see if we actually get anything decent on this side of town.  

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UK_Palms

Max of 27.1C / 80F on Saturday. The warm-summer Med (Csb) conditions are locked in hard now and more pronounced than ever. The absence of summer rainfall is clear to see and the 'trend' I have been highlighting for a while now is undeniable at this stage. Central London is still only on 0.2mm / 0.01 inches of rainfall in almost 7 weeks now. It has been drier than anywhere in the Spanish and Italian Med regions. We have been pretty warm as well with mid-90's F forecast now on BBC and ECMWF next week. Some GFS ensembles are suggesting 40C+ / 104F+ again though next week.

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Fires are raging everywhere in southern England. A rough week ahead...

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London is as dry as a mo'f*cker... like proper desert dry. As in like Phoenix, Arizona. Stuck on 4 inches of rainfall for 2022 in places... @Silas_Sancona

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Kew desert...

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Here's an American travellers take on the situation...

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This is supposed to be 'grass' in the Clapham desert of south London... @Tyrone

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London dustbowl dust devil from drought...

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Excuse the length of the posts but this is clearly the biggest climatic extremity in 2022...

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Silas_Sancona
15 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

 

London is as dry as a mo'f*cker... like proper desert dry. As in like Phoenix, Arizona. Stuck on 4 inches of rainfall for 2022 in places...

 

 

 

Extremely dry as it might be there atm,  Not even close to " Desert Dry", lol..   Come here and see what 22 years of actual, year round drought looks like.

 

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sandgroper
8 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Extremely dry as it might be there atm,  Not even close to " Desert Dry", lol..   Come here and see what 22 years of actual, year round drought looks like.

 

Exactly, a bit of dead grass does not a desert make. :D

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UK_Palms
On 8/7/2022 at 4:16 AM, Silas_Sancona said:

Extremely dry as it might be there atm,  Not even close to " Desert Dry", lol..   Come here and see what 22 years of actual, year round drought looks like.

 

I don't need to go to Arizona to see a desert as I can just go to the Clapham desert or Burgess park desert in south London. They are absolute dustbowls. The ground is bone dry down to about 2 meters now. The plants and trees have totally zapped out any remaining moisture completely and some of them are now on their last legs too.

I refer to the London 'deserts' figuratively of course, but it is starting to resemble southern California here now. Desertification is trying to take place. Dust/sand is literally replacing the grass. If I'm not mistaken, Phoenix had 10 x as much rainfall as London in July...? What is Phoenix's annual total for the year so far? I am on 4.63 inches here for 2022.

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16 hours ago, sandgroper said:

Exactly, a bit of dead grass does not a desert make. :D

What grass? It doesn't exist anymore in parts of south London such as Clapham common. It is just sand and dust now. The grass is gone pal.

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Parliament square in central London has seen the grass totally eradicated this summer... that is just dust/sand now. Do you really think that is just 'dry grass'...? @sandgroper

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Absolute tinder box with fire after fire...

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Some localised places may be on as little as 3 inches of rainfall so far in 2022. The areas around Clapham Common and Burgess Park specifically, which are total dustbowls beyond oblivion. The grass surely won't grow back again in these locations now. The first 7 days of August are up now and not a single droplet of rain. The fires are going to be real bad next week with extreme fire risk everywhere in southeast/east England. 

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RyManUtah
27 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

What is Phoenix's annual total for the year so far? I am on 4.63 inches here for 2022.

Well, for comparison - I’m just just shy of .3 inches for 2022 here, after a 92 day dry spell.  Finished 2021 with 2.6” of rain. 155 day dry spell in 2020. 

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sandgroper
34 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

You really think that is just 'dry grass'...? 

 

I know it's not a desert. You've started several other threads where you've posted pics of fires and rainfall figures etc.....why don't you just continue on with them? You can bombard those threads with as many pics as you like, if people wish to see them and comment on them they know where to find them,  Alex started this thread to comment on the current temperature where we all live. Would be great if it got back to that without loads of photos and links on anything and everything.

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Currently very wet with plenty more rain expected, heading for a cool top of 18c in this Mediterranean winter.

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UK_Palms
3 minutes ago, sandgroper said:

I know it's not a desert. You've started several other threads where you've posted pics of fires and rainfall figures etc.....why don't you just continue on with them? You can bombard those threads with as many pics as you like, if people wish to see them and comment on them they know where to find them,  Alex started this thread to comment on the current temperature where we all live. Would be great if it got back to that without loads of photos and links on anything and everything.

Well its not a literal desert, clearly. There is however evidence of desertification taking place. Autumn/winter rains may stop that though. Also, I have another thread for this season mostly just covering the spring fires, but I haven't posted in there for months now and need to bring it up to date. I'll start posting in there instead of this thread as of now though.  

Bloody freezing here this morning. It looks like it went down to 13C / 55F under the clear skies with low dew points. Going for a max of 31C / 88F though later. So pretty big diurnal swings. A very strong smell of smoke again in my neck of the wood too. I've been smelling it since 9pm last night, but not sure where its coming from. Absolute tinder box conditions here.

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Silas_Sancona
34 minutes ago, RyManUtah said:

Well, for comparison - I’m just just shy of .3 inches for 2022 here, after a 92 day dry spell.  Finished 2021 with 2.6” of rain. 155 day dry spell in 2020. 

Think Phoenix - at Sky Harbor-  is just shy of 2" - for the year-  so far.   According to rainfall data via Maricopa County Flood Control District, Chandler Airport, and another gauge a few blocks away ( Both would be the closest " official " gauges to the house are at 1.57"  For the year.  We average something like 8 or 9"  That's actual drought.   haha 

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@UK_Palms55f is pretty cold for August it got down to 63f here last night. Whilst certain areas the ground is pretty dusty a bit sandy it would take atleast 5 years of this before it even starts looking like an actual dessert. By what you said, that we are running warm summer Mediterranean climate this year that would mean by October we should have lots of rain still likely below average but at least 20-30mm at a minimum meaning desertification won't be able to happen. If you look at Mediterranean climates they are dusty and sandy with patches of hardy drought tolerant shrubbery not like a dessert. As they have much much less shrubbery. I know it's probably a figure of speech "the London dessert" but I don't think it's bad enough to call it true desertification.

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Tyrone

A top of 14C forecast for tomorrow with snow on the Stirlings. Rain rain and more rain. You’ve got to wear wellies outside at my place now. 

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UK_Palms
7 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Think Phoenix - at Sky Harbor-  is just shy of 2" - for the year-  so far.   According to rainfall data via Maricopa County Flood Control District, Chandler Airport, and another gauge a few blocks away ( Both would be the closest " official " gauges to the house are at 1.57"  For the year.  We average something like 8 or 9"  That's actual drought.   haha 

Currently 30C / 86F here, which looks like the max for today. We'll probably get our rainfall in the autumn/winter to compensate and things will green back up once again. Unless the drought continues through into 2023, although it probably won't if we are following a warm-summer Med (Csb) pattern. Most Med regions get abundant rainfall from October  - April. We didn't even get that though, hence why the drought is so bad this year. I think the only places in Europe drier than here in 2022 are protected inland desert regions of Spain & Attica in Greece. They may have had more rain than us though. Certainly southeast England has the highest concentration of wildfires per square mile on the planet this year. Likely 5 x higher than anywhere else.

When it does rain here, it is always very light. Never heavy. My last rainfall 6 weeks ago was only 1mm. I have to go back to February to when I last had more than 3mm in one rainfall event or day. Even if we aren't trending towards a Csb climate (we are), it still shows just how erratic and unreliable the rainfall patterns are becoming. Another issue is that 25 million people live in southeast England in what is quite a small geographic area. That puts added pressure on water demands as well. Not to mention our native flora (grass, plants, trees) aren't suited or adapted to drought or excessively dry summers. That all adds further strain to ecology and infrastructure in this area that can lead to desertification in the longer term. It may have a cumulative effect across back to back years if we cannot replace the deficit in autumn/winter. Springs have become erroneously dry in general. 

 

1 minute ago, Foxpalms said:

@UK_Palms55f is pretty cold for August it got down to 63f here last night. Whilst certain areas the ground is pretty dusty a bit sandy it would take atleast 5 years of this before it even starts looking like an actual dessert. By what you said, that we are running warm summer Mediterranean climate this year that would mean by October we should have lots of rain still likely below average but at least 20-30mm at a minimum meaning desertification won't be able to happen. If you look at Mediterranean climates they are dusty and sandy with patches of hardy drought tolerant shrubbery not like a dessert. As they have much much less shrubbery. I know it's probably a figure of speech "the London dessert" but I don't think it's bad enough to call it true desertification.

Clear skies and no UHI for me out here in rural Surrey means the temperature drops away quicker at night. Regarding the rainfall, one issue we have is that we just don't really get heavy rainfall like they get in the Med regions during the cooler months. Our rainfall is almost always very light, so when we have a spring/summer drought it may be harder to recover from it in the longer term, especially if we are having Med summers. We'll start getting to the stage where we aren't replacing the deficit and it has a cumulative effect year on year.

Focusing on the short term, it looks like we might hit 100F on Saturday, especially in west London. 3 consecutive days above 95F for us now. Despite the 40C / 104F temps that we have already had, this looks to be the peak, hottest, driest part of summer now. I wonder what the landscape will look like by next weekend. The 10th-14th August seems to be prone to heat events (2003, 2020, 2022). The hottest period generally seems to come first half of August nowadays, probably due to seasonal lag, which is another trait of Mediterranean climates.

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Tyrone

Depending on which forecast you look at, today we could have a max between 10C and 13C. The long range forecast is saying 20C on Sunday. Bring it on!

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sandgroper

A very wet and extremely cold for Perth top of 14c today.  I like winter but 14c is a bit rude.

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JohnAndSancho

Sorry for not posting 27 links and 25 pictures of places where I don't actually live here but it's 87F with a heat index of 94F at 9:15pm in east Texas tonight. No rain in sight and the obligatory gunshot or 2. 

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Tyrone
1 hour ago, sandgroper said:

A very wet and extremely cold for Perth top of 14c today.  I like winter but 14c is a bit rude.

I don't think we've cracked 9C yet. Absolutely freezing with small hail. 

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sandgroper
2 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Sorry for not posting 27 links and 25 pictures of places where I don't actually live here but it's 87F with a heat index of 94F at 9:15pm in east Texas tonight. No rain in sight and the obligatory gunshot or 2. 

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sandgroper

1.10pm and currently 10c in Perth, I can't remember a day like this, amazing.

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UK_Palms

Current yard temperature is 30.7C / 87F with clear sunny skies. I have just had water restrictions placed on me by Thames Water coming into effect next week.

Thursday - Sunday looks roasting with highs of 35-37C / 95-100F across 4 days in west London. We may possibly squeeze out 100F somewhere. Also chance of a much needed thundery breakdown as well early next week. The Met Office forecast is less optimistic for rain. It will probably be very hit and miss if we get any. Some places getting a soaking while others won't get a drop of rain. Whatever comes will barely do a thing to alleviate the longer-term drought either way. The deficit is just way too large now.

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Silas_Sancona

Not a bad afternoon after finally seeing a few hours of mostly steady,  light / moderate rain overnight - around sunrise.. Some showers lingered over Phoenix Proper thru about 10am as well.. 

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If the Atmosphere can get itself re-energized by the time the sun sets, ...or shortly after,  ...and we see some good outflow boundaries move out of the mountains / up from S. AZ later,  could see another round of storms / soaking rain move through town late tonight / tomorrow morning. If not, there's always tomorrow.  Pretty big storms already firing up over areas to the south / southeast, down toward Tucson / far S.E. AZ..  Bigger area of showers / storms headed west from central New Mexico along the next approaching Easterly Wave / Inverted Trough.  We'll see what happens..

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Tyrone

Well we managed to struggle to 12.5C yesterday, and in the last 24hrs have had just over 36mm fall with hail at various times, some quite intense. The place is just a soggy sludgy garden at the moment. It can stop raining now. I think we’ve hit our August average rainfall already and it’s ten days in. If it keeps raining my bore hole will turn artesian like it did last year and then you don’t need a pump anymore. I don’t think I’ll be mowing my lawn any time soon. Maybe October. 

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UK_Palms

31.7C / 89F here right now. Today is the last ‘comfortable’ day before the next heat injection arrives tomorrow. It’s now looking like 4-5 consecutive days of 35C / 95F+ in places with a high of 38C / 100F on Saturday. The chances of a thundery breakdown are diminishing with each passing hour. 10 days into August and still not a single drop of rain yet. Only 1mm / 0.03 inches over the past 6 weeks here. Some parts of southern England have had no rain at all since June now and even that was just a few mm. The only greenery left really in southeast England is from the South Downs NP forests just outside of London, as seen on NASA imagery. Western Europe in general is proper parched. 

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Foxpalms

88f in london with 32% humidity UV index 7 today. The hottest area on wunderground looks to be west London in the low 90s. Heathrow is  slightly cooler than Northolt on wunderground. Looks like the max temperature will be 37-38c for London Heathrow on Saturday, the temperature for Sunday has slowly been increasing though up to 36c. @UK_PalmsI saw that satellite image earlier today the south east looks very dry right now. I wonder what it will look like after this weekend. Odiham is currently 40 days without rain I'm guessing that is the driest part of the UK at the moment.  

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