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I was just wondering what the typical germination time frame is for Copernicia Baileyana.  I have not found much information online, RPS etc.  I have an 8'' community pot with 6 seeds in a plastic bag at room temperature (70-85F).  Would these benefit from a higher heat?  

Thanks!

P.S.  I would really appreciate pictures if anyone has them

Kirk

Worcester MA z6a

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Hferrell87

Assuming Fallaensis and Baileyana germinate at the same speeds (I've only germinated Fallaensis), they are moderately fast with germination. Did you crack the outer shell and remove seed before the start of germination? 

All I did to germinate the Copernicia was crack shell, remove seed, soak for 24-48-hours, put into 100% lightly damp perlite and they popped a tap root within a month.

Hope this helps...

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PalmatierMeg

Higher heat. I germinated mine in full blazing FL sun and summer heat that exceeded 90F for months.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

High heat. Soil temps of 90F+.

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PalmMom007

The last Copernicia Baileyana seeds we purchased  300 seeds from RPS. Very familiar with this seed, germinate them all the time, NOT ONE seed germinated. All were rotten, obviously very old seed. But, typically baileyana’s take about a month to germinate we have found. Pictures attached of our rotten baileyanasEF8E87C9-3A57-427E-8BED-7B912F5FE1EF.thu

How are your seeds doing now? I saw you posted this a few months ago. 

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Missi
1 hour ago, PalmMom007 said:

The last Copernicia Baileyana seeds we purchased  300 seeds from RPS. Very familiar with this seed, germinate them all the time, NOT ONE seed germinated. All were rotten, obviously very old seed. But, typically baileyana’s take about a month to germinate we have found. Pictures attached of our rotten baileyanas

BUMMER!!!!!!! :crying: Hope you were able to get a refund for that order. :rant:

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Jeff Searle
5 hours ago, Missi said:

BUMMER!!!!!!! :crying: Hope you were able to get a refund for that order. :rant:

Ouch! No excuse for bad seed for this species.

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PalmMom007

I have yet to get a response or a call back from Tobias at RPS. I have called and called, my husband got ahold of a woman in the office in Germany and she then gave us another email to send our issue too. And...no response still! We just would like a credit on our seed that was obviously bad and old!!! We spent over $1,000 on our first order with them (big risk) but they had somewhat of a good rep and unfortunately he doesn’t have any competition that carries that variety of seed. But, something has to change! I can’t stand bad customer service! No reason or the low germination rate with our controlled propagation chamber, as well as greenhouse! I attached pics of the borassus too. We are new to trying to germinate them, but we had almost half of them that were super light and I cut open one to see Rot!

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Silas_Sancona
8 hours ago, PalmMom007 said:

I have yet to get a response or a call back from Tobias at RPS. I have called and called, my husband got ahold of a woman in the office in Germany and she then gave us another email to send our issue too. And...no response still! We just would like a credit on our seed that was obviously bad and old!!! We spent over $1,000 on our first order with them (big risk) but they had somewhat of a good rep and unfortunately he doesn’t have any competition that carries that variety of seed. But, something has to change! I can’t stand bad customer service! No reason or the low germination rate with our controlled propagation chamber, as well as greenhouse! I attached pics of the borassus too. We are new to trying to germinate them, but we had almost half of them that were super light and I cut open one to see Rot!

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As i think i'd mentioned somewhere on here in the past, your experience, among a few others has been a big *cause for pause* when considering ordering from them again. While results from seed i bought in the past were mostly positive.. I also place high regard regarding overall customer experience well above a list of seed i might be looking for, that might only be currently available through RPS. 

I'd rather see things like * seasonally un-available at this time, can be placed on a *notice of availability * list / available in the spring or X season only / Listed for a short time only, due to short seed viability / etc. next to X seed availability rather than see seed listed that i know has been listed for over a year or more, particularly regarding stuff i know from personal experience / detailed research, looses it's shelf-life rather quickly once harvested.  Some stuff, Legume-type seed especially,  will generally germinate well, even if 2-4 years old.. A lot of other stuff (many lilies, Plumeria and other genera in the same family, other tropical type plants, etc, can rapidly loose viability and be far more challenging or impossible to germinate once received / planted.  Even stuff which retains it's life longer can sour if not stored, or inspected correctly / regularly.. 

For me, i know when the time comes, i will list what seed i might have to share with points made above in mind.. Even going so far as to add something like to any potential e-mail sent out.. " Attention all..  Fruit of Guaiacum coulteri starting to ripen at this time, please reply if interested in seed.  Requested seed will be sent first, as it is harvested"  "Any requests made well after X seed batch  has been harvested / processed may experience lower germination rates due to short viability / shelf - life. You may choose to pre-request seed from forth-coming harvests."

To me, this is something important i'd like to know when ordering from X place, why shouldn't i treat my potential customers with the same respect?  It shouldn't take repeated phone calls  or a Fax / E-mail chase to get some answers and resolution to any possible problems.  

Like many, i also await news of a new vendor, with just as vast of species inventory.. and to see what they might do different / improve upon if you will.... 

 

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kbob11
On 11/21/2018, 12:58:44, PalmMom007 said:

 

How are your seeds doing now? I saw you posted this a few months ago. 

 

Sorry for the late response.  I have a 0% germination rate with these seeds from RPS.  I ordered them 6-7 months ago and have had them consistently 85 degrees.  In the same order I had a small packet of Hyophorbe verschaffeltii with only 1 germinating.  It is doing well but a little disappointed in my turn out.

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PalmMom007

@Silas_Sancona you hit it right on the head! My husband and I were talking about what should be done. As we know, it takes a lot of time and work, but seeds have a “shelf life”. They need to be rotated etc, upon if they don’t sell. Maybe discount ones that are about to go bad, but not keep selling non-fresh seed. Honestly, we need to do our due diligence I guess. What has sat on the list for sale for a while we need to know probably won’t germinate and is old seed, but why would a business do that? It is almost a scam, honestly! This was our first time placing an order, we know better now! Also, a chamber with controlled temps needs to be put in place for holding the seeds and storing until sold. I hate how many suppliers RPS has, and they just keep sending them seeds to sell when I’m sure great viable seed is wasted just sitting and going bad. But, thanks for the response. :)

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PalmMom007

@kbob11 I am sorry to hear, but not surprised sadly. We found a reputable supplier out of Thailand for our Baileyana seed we bought after our attempt with 0 germination rate with RPS. Do you have any Copernicia right now? We have some falliensis seedlings and bailey’s if your looking

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avanza

Any update?

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kbob11

@avanza 0% unfortunately.  I gave up on this batch.

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avanza

Thank you  and hope luck will be with you next time.

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Mvule

I ordered 20 C. baileyana from RPS. I received 24.

I soaked them for a day, cracked the outer shell, and removed the seed from inside. After soaking them again I geriminated them in a zip lock bag in vermiculite in partial sun here in Uganda. They would get about 2 hours of direct sun. About 16 germinated which I potted up in loose free draining material. 

I have ten shoots immerging so far. 

Also I ordered C. Macroglossa from Faulkner's Palms and used the same method (and the same vermiculite!), 8 out of 11 seeds germinated and were potted on last weekend. Now I am waiting to see the first shoots. 

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mike in kurtistown

I have germinated two batches of C. baileyana. The first batch was from RPS, the second was habitat collected. In both cases, germination began in about two months. Here, the summer climate is not particularly hot, so they might have germinated faster elsewhere. Growing the RPS-supplied seeds, the plants turned out to be the blue form (I was thrilled by this). I'm not sure the seller even knew that.

Getting seeds from seed sellers is a crapshoot, and I have bought my share of duds. Imagine the quality control problems faced by a seed seller! And small orders are not their main revenue source. Just the same, I wish they would do better.

 

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