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Trachycarpus Fortunei Winsan

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GottmitAlex
18 hours ago, Chris Wilson said:

Just thought I would post an updated photo of my palm, it has grown 2+ feet of trunk over the past 5 months.

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Quite stunning, to be sure!

 

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Chris Wilson
53 minutes ago, GottmitAlex said:

Quite stunning, to be sure!

 

Thank you!!

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Aldert

Winsan about 10 years!

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Chris Wilson
On 10/28/2019 at 5:53 AM, Aldert said:

Winsan about 10 years!

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Nice palm!

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Chris Wilson

I covered my palm today for the winter and before I covered it I took a picture with me for scale. I'm 5'4" and the palm is just over 12.5 feet tall. Also posting a comparison to show how fast it's grown, the first picture was spring 2017 and the second only 2.5 years later and 8 feet taller!

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Allen
5 minutes ago, Chris Wilson said:

I covered my palm today for the winter and before I covered it I took a picture with me for scale. I'm 5'4" and the palm is just over 12.5 feet tall. Also posting a comparison to show how fast it's grown, the first picture was spring 2017 and the second only 2.5 years later and 8 feet taller!

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That's the fastest growth I've ever seen on a Trachy of any kind.  Huge fronds and a beauty for sure.  Do you have a pic of how you covered it?

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Chris Wilson
20 minutes ago, Allen said:

That's the fastest growth I've ever seen on a Trachy of any kind.  Huge fronds and a beauty for sure.  Do you have a pic of how you covered it?

Thanks, covering it this year was a challenge. I had 2 old metal arbors that I combined to make a frame around the palm then covered it with a tarp and plastic. I used c9 Christmas lights for a heat source, they are plugged into a thermostat controlled outlet called a thermocube, the lights come on at 35f and off at 45f. 

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Allen

Thanks for the protection pics.  A tough one to cover for sure.

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Chris Wilson

Last year I bought some Winsan seeds and I only got 2 out of 10 to germinate. Here they are right now at around a year old and they have spent half of that time in the house where they don't grow much. Do they look like they are growing faster than normal Fortunei as well? I've never grown Trachys from seed before so I really don't know. I will most likely plant these in the ground next spring.

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Vic
2 hours ago, Chris Wilson said:

Last year I bought some Winsan seeds and I only got 2 out of 10 to germinate. Here they are right now at around a year old and they have spent half of that time in the house where they don't grow much. Do they look like they are growing faster than normal Fortunei as well? I've never grown Trachys from seed before so I really don't know. I will most likely plant these in the ground next spring.

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That’s not bad for a 1 year old seedling. I too bought some of these a year ago but they have been outside all year round and saw -6 unprotected. They are about the same size as yours now.  

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RyManUtah
On 9/28/2019 at 10:55 PM, Chris Wilson said:

Just thought I would post an updated photo of my palm, it has grown 2+ feet of trunk over the past 5 months.

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I need this in my life. Beautiful palm you have here!

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Chris Wilson
1 hour ago, Ryagra said:

I need this in my life. Beautiful palm you have here!

Thank you!

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
On 11/26/2019 at 10:02 PM, Ryagra said:

I need this in my life. Beautiful palm you have here!

Definitely a specimen palm and love's its location :greenthumb:

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Chris Wilson

Unwrapped my palm today, it looks great. Probably would of been fine unprotected this year the lowest temp was only 12F, way above normal.

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GottmitAlex
7 minutes ago, Chris Wilson said:

Unwrapped my palm today, it looks great. Probably would of been fine unprotected this year the lowest temp was only 12F, way above normal.

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Very nice!!

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SailorBold

So awesome..  that is impressive i agree.  Is that a Nova then?   What is the hardiness compared to Fortunei anyone have experiences there?

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Chris Wilson
7 hours ago, SailorBold said:

So awesome..  that is impressive i agree.  Is that a Nova then?   What is the hardiness compared to Fortunei anyone have experiences there?

Thanks! I'm not sure it seems to be similar to Nova, the person that I bought it from grew both Nova and Winsan from seed and said that they obviously weren't the same thing. I had a Nova and lost it this year after 13F. I don't know how hardy it is but I have heard that it is less hardy than regular Fortunei. The lowest temp my palm has seen was probably around 19F.

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David York
On 3/2/2020 at 3:46 PM, SailorBold said:

So awesome..  that is impressive i agree.  Is that a Nova then?   What is the hardiness compared to Fortunei anyone have experiences there?

Interesting question, but no definitive answer yet. I have young potted plants of various ages that live outdoors all year round. To be fair, these days I only get probably -6c at best here, and not that often either. Things have warmed up considerably here in recent times.

But I suspect they will be similar or better than oreophilus which is around -10/-12c.

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Jcalvin
On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 11:04 PM, Allen said:

That's the fastest growth I've ever seen on a Trachy of any kind.  Huge fronds and a beauty for sure.  Do you have a pic of how you covered it?

Man, I wish Trachy's looked that good down here in the Southeast. One can have a decent looking one if they grow it in the shade. If they're in full sun, might as well hang it up. They look pitiful.

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Chris Wilson

My 7 year old palm is about to bloom for the first time!IMG_2302.thumb.jpg.c8476ffd4bcfb865f5f15b1ad4bb75f7.jpg

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Chris Wilson

Update on my bloom. It appears to be a male but does it look different than a regular Fortunei? Over the past week the bloom has been growing upwards and rotating around the back of the palm.

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SailorBold

Awesome.

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Chris Wilson

An update on my palm, it grew another 2.5 feet of trunk this summer. 

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Vic

It really is a nice palm, and clearing liking it’s location. Are the leaves actually 360 degree? as it’s not clear from the picture. It does look identical to nova which also has quite circular leaves. 
 

Yours has grown incredibly quickly! 

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Chris Wilson
17 hours ago, Vic said:

It really is a nice palm, and clearing liking it’s location. Are the leaves actually 360 degree? as it’s not clear from the picture. It does look identical to nova which also has quite circular leaves. 
 

Yours has grown incredibly quickly! 

Thanks! It doesn't have 360 degree leaves, it could be nova but the person I bought it from grew both nova and winsan and said they were clearly different. Who knows lol.

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Chris Wilson

My almost 8 year old palm is now at least 15 feet tall. Going to have to cover it this week, not sure exactly how though.

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Jimhardy

usually this fast of growth is found in hybrids....as far as not being able to 

find the population in the wild that is true of Wagnerianus but not Winsan.

 

 

Nice looking palm!

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Fallen Munk

That's a nice graceful looking palm, no matter what it is.  I have a regular T. fortunei that was planted from seed six years ago that gets the 360 fronds about half the time.  It also has the longer petioles but is not nearly as graceful looking.  It definitely looks different than all of the other T. fortunei around here and there are a ton of them because I'm in the PNW.  Occasionally someone pulls up to the curb to take photos of it.

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Chester B
23 hours ago, Fallen Munk said:

That's a nice graceful looking palm, no matter what it is.  I have a regular T. fortunei that was planted from seed six years ago that gets the 360 fronds about half the time.  It also has the longer petioles but is not nearly as graceful looking.  It definitely looks different than all of the other T. fortunei around here and there are a ton of them because I'm in the PNW.  Occasionally someone pulls up to the curb to take photos of it.

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I have a few that produce 360 fronds as well, but it's not 100% of the fronds.  However they don't have the long petioles like yours does.  I always liked the long petiole ones better, like yours and the others posted on this thread.

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Fallen Munk
33 minutes ago, Chester B said:

I have a few that produce 360 fronds as well, but it's not 100% of the fronds.  However they don't have the long petioles like yours does.  I always liked the long petiole ones better, like yours and the others posted on this thread.

Thanks!  It has a very distinct fountain shape.  One thing I've noticed about this "variant" if you want to call it that.  They seem hang on to their fronds for many years, so the fronds go all of the way down the trunk.  Some of the lower fronds on mine are four or five years old.  It has yet to flower, but I'm thinking next year.  Hoping for a female.

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Chester B
1 hour ago, Fallen Munk said:

Thanks!  It has a very distinct fountain shape.  One thing I've noticed about this "variant" if you want to call it that.  They seem hang on to their fronds for many years, so the fronds go all of the way down the trunk.  Some of the lower fronds on mine are four or five years old.  It has yet to flower, but I'm thinking next year.  Hoping for a female.

I have one that has long petioles and doesn't drop fronds either, it's currently about 10-12' tall except it has always had slightly shorter stiff fronds.  I noticed one of the fronds on the ground has turned brown, it's the first time in over 3 years since I planted it that I will be removing a frond.

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Chris Wilson

I uncovered my palm a couple weeks ago. Still looking good, it’s getting tall and is going to be a challenge to cover it next winter.

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Allen
3 hours ago, Chris Wilson said:

I uncovered my palm a couple weeks ago. Still looking good, it’s getting tall and is going to be a challenge to cover it next winter.

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Nice looking.  When they get tall you still have a couple options.   The fronds all the way down the trunk make it harder too.  In 6b you're at that limit where you almost could get away with very light covering.  You might also limit water and feeding to not encourage it to grow as fast.  

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Chester B

I'm just amazed the fronds look so good after being wrapped, year after year.

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OC2Texaspalmlvr

That palm absolutely loves that spot and the attention it gets. Amazing specimen :greenthumb:

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RJ

I really like how that one holds it's fronds on down the trunk. Wish they all did that. 

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Allen
53 minutes ago, RJ said:

I really like how that one holds it's fronds on down the trunk. Wish they all did that. 

Yea I have 2 that do that, I think it has to do with how fast it grows because fronds are generally kept for about 2 years.  So one growing at 2+ feet per year will keep 4-5 feet of fronds on the trunk.  It must also have to do with water and nutrient availability which is related to growth overall.  

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