Making some big fallaensis

[Moose]

Rick Kern, that's an old palm name from the past. Got my Sabal domingensis from him. It's got 20+ foot of trunk now

[kurt decker]

Here is some follow-up to Garrett's question from last summer about planting depth. What seems to be a ridiculously deep planting sorts itself out, and here's what you're left with 10 months later. The palm has grown up out of the ground so it looks completely normal at this point. The submerged fans have died off. I'll cut them off flush at ground level, leaving the petioles underground as struts which helped stabilize the plant. The thing is rock solid in the pot and won't move in the heaviest wind.

[joe_OC]

Kurt, you need to post more pics of these palms!

[Missi]

On 8/30/2018 at 3:56 AM, kurt decker said:

I've been thinking about this a lot for the last month or so.  I noticed that people throw out the fact that copernicias hybridize as readily as do coccothrinax. I'm not so sure about that. Yes, I've seen the pictures in Cuba of savannah's that go on for miles full of several species of copernicia and all sorts of intergrades. Let's put that aside for a minute and concentrate on the more ornamental Cuban species here in Florida. Let's look at them one at a time. Fallaense, baileyana, macroglossa, and hospita. As far as I know, no fallaense has set seed in South Florida. All of our seed comes out of Cuba. Seems to be true to species. Next would be baileyana. This is a little tougher. I think of baileyana as those massive blue plants at Fairchild. Out of all the copernicias, more questionable baileyana seed came in that 1997 stuff then any other species. Those trees are now 21 years old. Lots of them are flowering and seeding. And since the tree was sold as baileyana, the seed is being distributed as baileyana. Ask yourself this. Why have those big blue trees at Fairchild never set seed? I don't think baileyana seeds here. Maybe we don't have the pollinator. And I don't think all those smaller green trees are baileys. Forget science for a second. The ornamental value of that tree is the big blue one. So as far as I'm concerned, if it's not big and blue, it's not a Bailey. That may not be scientifically accurate, but it might be, who knows. Now let's get down to hospita and macroglossa. They both seed profusely in Florida. I've been planting seed from those two collected locally for at least 25 years. Between the two I've grown thousands from seed. All of my seed came from gardens with multiple copernicia species. Yet in 25 years, I have never seen a single hybrid, or even an aberrant plant. If you grow locally-produced coccothrinax of any species, you have hybrids in almost every batch. Yet we take for granted that these things (copernicias) hybridize readily, probably based on those habitat pictures. I think in most cases, many of the plants in Florida that people think might be hybrids are simply one of the two dozen nondescript species that came in as mislabeled seed in 1997. Maybe these things don't hybridize so easily.

The Fairchild baileyana specimens have seeded...They have sold a crap ton of the young plants at their Members Day plant sales. I have two of them.

[Missi]

Double post - sorry!

[Esteban R Rojas]

After reading all that was mentioned about the hybridization of Copernicias, I ran outside to check on my green Bailey.  Yes, the thorns are black. The petioles are light blue green, and the leaflets are green, although they seem less green than before, when I planted it three years ago. Maybe it's wishful thinking. Total height is now about nine feet to the top of the newest frond.  By the way, it already flowered for the first time earlier this year and there are seeds growing on the flower stalks.  My question, and maybe concern, Is this a Hybrid?

 

[kurt decker]

Andrew Street showed me some Baileyanas that Montgomery Botanical Center grew from a tree that seeded on their property. It was a vouchered wild collected baileyana growing next to a beautiful silver yarey. The seedlings are now six or eight feet tall, they look exactly like killer baileyanas except for one small detail. They're suckering at the base. Whoops. You learn something new everyday. Probably can't answer your question, Esteban. But if it's a beautiful palm, enjoy it.

[swayland]

I am interested in the deep planting of these. I have two 7 gallon plants that will be ready to transplant soon. Should I plant them deeper than they currently sit? Would it benefit jumping them directly to 25 gallons and foregoing 15? Plants are maybe a foot tall.

[kurt decker]

Post some pictures, and I will try to answer both questions

[Alex.k]

I’m only a few years late to the party and fairly new to this plant world but I am thankful for everyone that’s chimed in on this conv. We can all learn from each other and continue to move forward as a society. 
 

Hope to one day meet some of you fellas and continue to learn about Copernicias and palms in general! 

[kurt decker]

Here's a few fairly recent pictures of those same palms. We've sold a few, and they are starting to look really good.

Edited April 2, 2020 by kurt decker

[sonoranfans]

those are gorgeous palm Kurt!  Their future owners will be very happy looking  out over those crowns.

[Cape Garrett]

3 hours ago, kurt decker said:

Here's a few fairly recent pictures of those same palms. We've sold a few, and they are starting to look really good.

These are gorgeous!  @kurt decker how much do these go for at this size?  Here is a picture of my Bailey planted from a 1 gallon in June of 2016.  4 years soon. She is just over 6 foot to the top of the tallest leaf now.  Picture doesn't show well but definitely a blue color.