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Who is doing the "splits"?


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Do D. carlsmithii and plumosa split as well?

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2 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

Do D. carlsmithii and plumosa split as well?

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Huntington Beach, CA

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23 minutes ago, Phoenikakias said:

Is there a Chamaedorea sp, which clumps mainly this way, that is through splitting? 

If there is, I haven't seen it yet, but that is an interesting question hopefully someone else can answer.  This is a strange plant I acquired as a Coccothrinax borhidiana hybrid with an unknown.  I posted what appeared to be the beginning of a new growth point in a different post a while back.  Now it is clear that it is a new growth point, with the original (larger one laying down) still pushing out leaves.  It also has either another sibling plant or perhaps another subterranean growth point.  I guess this new growth point could count as a split.  I'll be curious if the original growth ever starts pointing skyward again or just wants to grow horizontally.

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I've seen these palms everywhere in South Florida but only one like this.

Ptychosperma elegans?

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4 minutes ago, E_Z said:

I've seen these palms everywhere in South Florida but only one like this.

Ptychosperma elegans?

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Oh wow!

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On 10/13/2019 at 6:42 AM, akamu said:

D. Lafazamanga splitting nicely this seems to be a very hardy dypsis 

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Mine is also doing the splits. I just got one and it is becoming one of my favorite 

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Updated pics of my Dypsis Lafazamanga. This thing is growing fast and still splitting. Each of the 3 are splitting again!  You can look back in this thread to see what it looked like last year. 

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On 9/19/2019 at 1:54 AM, Tracy said:

If there is, I haven't seen it yet, but that is an interesting question hopefully someone else can answer.  

 

Yet there is at least one, and this is Chamaedorea cataractarum, which has horizontal trunk branching dichotomously.

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I have a foreshadowing of a split on my Dypsis species 'bef'.  While it previously split, into two distinct growth points, it has once again pushed out a new leaf which has two distinct "sets" or pairs of leaves sharing the same rachis.  It's pretty cool looking.  In some ways it reminds me of the way that my Cycas tropophylla x micholitzii has the split leaves which grow off the rachis in two separate planes and thus gives the same effect.

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Nothing too special here, but figured i'd post some pictures. 

Saw this D. lutescens while over in China last week. Splitting pretty high up, 3 main trunks and 13 heads! Pretty cool to come upon. 

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On 6/16/2018 at 1:54 PM, akamu said:

Dypsis ambo

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cut that dead trunk of the lance :P

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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2 hours ago, LoamWolf said:

Nothing too special here, but figured i'd post some pictures. 

Saw this D. lutescens while over in China last week. Splitting pretty high up, 3 main trunks and 13 heads! Pretty cool to come upon. 

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wow!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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On 10/25/2019 at 1:43 AM, Hilo Jason said:

Updated pics of my Dypsis Lafazamanga. This thing is growing fast and still splitting. Each of the 3 are splitting again!  You can look back in this thread to see what it looked like last year. 

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wow!!! that thing got huge fast!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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On 10/14/2019 at 2:51 AM, Hilo Jason said:

Dypsis Hankona x Sp. Bef hybrid is going to do the splits. Showing the Sp. Bef traits with the splitting. 

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I'm sure glad you posted this Jason. You just helped me ID mine. I know it was a Honkona X but no clue with what. Beff makes great sense

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On 11/19/2019 at 5:05 PM, Josh-O said:

I'm sure glad you posted this Jason. You just helped me ID mine. I know it was a Honkona X but no clue with what. Beff makes great sense

Hey Josh,

post a pic of yours. I’d like to see it. I have another smaller one that I also believe is a cross (probably with Bef) and then another Hankona that I believe is true to species. The leaflets are plumose on the true form. Not like this hybrid that has very regular leaflets. 

The Sp. Bef is right next to the seeding Hankona at Floribunda so while I can’t be 100%, it sure seems to me that it’s Bef x Hankona. 

 

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On 11/19/2019 at 5:03 PM, Josh-O said:

wow!!! that thing got huge fast!!

Yeah, one of the fastest palms in the yard. Very very fast. My other one is not kicking in like this yet, but hopefully soon. 

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A few updates on my palms that have done are or doing the splits. 

Dypsis Sp Bef is now fully spit and growing fast:

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Dypsis Hankona x sp Bef continuing to split:

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On 10/24/2019 at 8:43 PM, Hilo Jason said:

Updated pics of my Dypsis Lafazamanga. This thing is growing fast and still splitting. Each of the 3 are splitting again!  You can look back in this thread to see what it looked like last year. 

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Updated photo and with my daughter for scale. 

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On 6/21/2018 at 6:41 PM, Tracy said:

My little Dypsis bef pushed a very unusual leaf prior to the upcoming split.  It literally split about half way up the rachis.  The petiole and half of the rachis is shared, but then splits into two rachis.  Where the rachis is shared, the result is three sets of leaflets, with the centerline resembling a Mohawk hairdo the way it sticks up.  This was a new one on me, but perhaps others have seen similar things.

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It has been a couple of years since this initially split, but it appears I will have 3 trunks on my Dypsis bef.  I noticed some crinkles on the new leaf opening on the smaller growth point a couple of days ago.  As the leaf opened I could see that it had the normal leaflets on either side, but also some stunted crinkled ones in the center as well as two emerging new spears from this one.  I hope this is the last split.  From what I recall Dypsis bef normally splits once so two trunks are common place, but I don't recall if more is the norm or they typically stop at two.

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On 11/3/2020 at 3:35 PM, Tracy said:

It has been a couple of years since this initially split, but it appears I will have 3 trunks on my Dypsis bef.  I noticed some crinkles on the new leaf opening on the smaller growth point a couple of days ago.  As the leaf opened I could see that it had the normal leaflets on either side, but also some stunted crinkled ones in the center as well as two emerging new spears from this one.  I hope this is the last split.  From what I recall Dypsis bef normally splits once so two trunks are common place, but I don't recall if more is the norm or they typically stop at two.

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Hey Tracy, I was always used to seeing Bef with only 2 trunks, but I have seen some here on the Big Island that have 4 trunks. 

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7 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Here’s an updated photo of what I believe is Dypsis Hankona x Sp. Bef

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That's a winner Jason!

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On 11/3/2020 at 5:35 PM, Tracy said:

As the leaf opened I could see that it had the normal leaflets on either side, but also some stunted crinkled ones in the center as well as two emerging new spears from this one.  I hope this is the last split.  From what I recall Dypsis bef normally splits once so two trunks are common place, but I don't recall if more is the norm or they typically stop at two.

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Now that the split is more mature on the Dypsis bef, you can see how the last frond that came out prior to the split of that head has a classic third set of leaflets emerging from the center line of the rachis.  That crinkled extra row of leaflets seems to be the telltale warning that you will have a split in the next set of spears. 

On a different note relative to this palm, I didn't realize how slow it would be when I planted it in close proximity to the adjacent cycad.  Thus far they are growing at about the same pace, whereas my expectation was that the palm would be growing over the cycad by now, so there wouldn't be the entwining of leaves.  I guess that was my fault for not researching how slow Dypsis bef can be here in California.  I'm sure that my friend Bill Sanford is getting a giggle when he reads this.  Another lesson on crowding learned!  :floor:

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Thought I would bump this thread with a new Palm doing the splits. Got this as Dypsis Leptocheillos x Lanceolata. But neither of those split so thinking another Dypsis is in the mix. Sp Bef? 

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On 11/6/2020 at 8:43 PM, Hilo Jason said:

Here’s an updated photo of what I believe is Dypsis Hankona x Sp. Bef

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And here’s updated photos on this mystery hybrid. One of my favorite palms in my garden:

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7 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Thought I would bump this thread with a new Palm doing the splits. Got this as Dypsis Leptocheillos x Lanceolata. But neither of those split so thinking another Dypsis is in the mix. Sp Bef? 

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So the Chrysalidocarpus (Dypsis) leptocheilos should be a lock because the seed source would be apparent.  It is the second parent, the pollen donar in question.   The color on the split is reminiscent of my young Chrysalidocarpus "bef".  A group of plant friends were visiting my garden and one had the perfect description of the color on my Chrysalidocarpus "bef", calling it a kangaroo brown.   That has stuck with me since she said it.

I assume this is heading to the new garden?

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Tracy - I definitely see that “kangaroo brown” like you mentioned and have seen that on one of my Sp Bef here, although it seemed to fade a bit on that one as it got older.
Below are some better pictures of this hybrid. I bought it as Leptocheillos hybrid. When I asked what it might have crossed with, was told possibly Lanceolata. But with these unintentional hybrids, it’s hard to know for sure. 15 gallon pot, and yeah this will be planted in a prime spot at the new property. 

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leaflets do have a bit of a Lanceolata type look:

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another angle of the splitting:

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one of these days I’ll get used to the new name - Chrysalidocarpus, hah!

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