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Jubaeopsis Splitting...Keep as single?


Jim in Los Altos

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image.thumb.jpg.b28d6ba3fd589d9e633767e7My Jubaeopsis cafra is splitting into two as they typically do. My question is: Has anyone attempted to keep theirs a single? I'd like it to grow more like a coconut would and it's also in close proximity to a big mature Howea and a Queen x Bu x Ju so I don't want multiple stems. Anybody ever do that?

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I have seen no evidence of anyone trying this.

If you really want to separate it, maybe it should be treated like a regular suckering palm in this respect(?).

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Jim, they will not set back if you decide to whack off the sucker. I have seen it done before with great success. Just treat it with the usual regiment of fungal treatments. They look killer as big singles IMO. I have a really big seeding tree that I'm keeping as a double. I may plant out another and keep it as a single to give it that coconut like look.

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11 hours ago, Josh-O said:

Jim, they will not set back if you decide to whack off the sucker. I have seen it done before with great success. Just treat it with the usual regiment of fungal treatments. They look killer as big singles IMO. I have a really big seeding tree that I'm keeping as a double. I may plant out another and keep it as a single to give it that coconut like look.

I also have a D. decipiens I was thinking about doing the same to, but undecided.

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11 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

I also have a D. decipiens I was thinking about doing the same to, but undecided.

I recently cut off one of the stems to make mine a single. This palm looks great as a solitary palm IMO

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23 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

I also have a D. decipiens I was thinking about doing the same to, but undecided.

Same, I would love the look of a solitary jubaeopsis and recipients but I'm too afraid of losing them to try removing suckers.

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I don't have a photo, but the most famous Dypsis decipiens would be the single trunk plant of the late Pauleen Sullivan in Ventura.  She told me directly that she had diligently removed all secondary growths.

  Other forum participants must surely have an image of this palm, please contribute ! 

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Pauline's D. decipiens IMG_7395.JPG.fb68fff6810f14a858a4df61ec5in Ventura. It's magnificent!

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Another shot of same palm.IMG_7396.thumb.JPG.f83d3611fc32a53225777

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How do you guys stop them from splitting when the split seems to start in the crown?

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I would plant more than one specimens closely. It seems that in this case every individual focus on outgrowing the competitors and not splitting. Of course after a certain time one of them will eventually outgrow the others and by that time it will hopefully reach a size, not anymore prone to splitting. Just a guess! 

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@Jim in Los Altos, I'll offer a polite dissent: That J-opsis is a seriously rare treasure. You might have the most northern specimen around, and it looks healthy! They're not an easy grow in my experience. Just keeping it alive and happy is a major accomplishment. So, I'd let it branch. Howeas and mules move easily, and that's what I'd do. Let it be what it wants to be, and show it off in all of its glory.

I do agree that they good as a one-trunker. But that's not what they are. Maybe consider: one dolphin leaping gracefully by the boat is beautiful. But a pod leaping in synchronous counterpoint are exponentially more glorious.

Whatever you do, let us know, so we can all salivate over its beauty.

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1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

@Jim in Los Altos, I'll offer a polite dissent: That J-opsis is a seriously rare treasure. You might have the most northern specimen around, and it looks healthy! They're not an easy grow in my experience. Just keeping it alive and happy is a major accomplishment. So, I'd let it branch. Howeas and mules move easily, and that's what I'd do. Let it be what it wants to be, and show it off in all of its glory.

I do agree that they good as a one-trunker. But that's not what they are. Maybe consider: one dolphin leaping gracefully by the boat is beautiful. But a pod leaping in synchronous counterpoint are exponentially more glorious.

Whatever you do, let us know, so we can all salivate over its beauty.

I'm further north, so I got Jim beat. :lol:

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Here’s my big boy this morning. Easy care, don’t do much besides water it.

 

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Well, I believe I'm both farther north and more inland than most of you other Jubaeopsis growers in California! I'm 'cheating' though since I keep my doubleheader in a pot and bring it indoors each winter... at least for the foreseeable future. I hauled it outside earlier this month once the temps increased.

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14 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Here’s my big boy this morning. Easy care, don’t do much besides water it.

 

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Ben, your's is magnificent. How much sun exposure does it get. Mine's shaded by several overhead palm canopies but gets some winter full sun. Is your's exhibiting any splitting yet. It's got a great Cocos look!

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16 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

@Jim in Los Altos, I'll offer a polite dissent: That J-opsis is a seriously rare treasure. You might have the most northern specimen around, and it looks healthy! They're not an easy grow in my experience. Just keeping it alive and happy is a major accomplishment. So, I'd let it branch. Howeas and mules move easily, and that's what I'd do. Let it be what it wants to be, and show it off in all of its glory.

I do agree that they good as a one-trunker. But that's not what they are. Maybe consider: one dolphin leaping gracefully by the boat is beautiful. But a pod leaping in synchronous counterpoint are exponentially more glorious.

Whatever you do, let us know, so we can all salivate over its beauty.

Dave, the nearby Kentia is really big at over 20 feet with a huge canopy. It will always be much taller than my currently juvenile Jubaeopsis. At the rate my Syagrus x Butia x Jubaea, also nearby, is growing, it too will be well above the Jubaeopsis. I just want the "island" they're all growing on to be lush but not with trunk overload. Most of my landscape is already on trunk overload. ;)

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6 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Dave, the nearby Kentia is really big at over 20 feet with a huge canopy. It will always be much taller than my currently juvenile Jubaeopsis. At the rate my Syagrus x Butia x Jubaea, also nearby, is growing, it too will be well above the Jubaeopsis. I just want the "island" they're all growing on to be lush but not with trunk overload. Most of my landscape is already on trunk overload. ;)

Okay, that wasn't really apparent from the pictures.

That J-opsis will kind of glow in the dark amid that canopy.

Let us know how it grows, and come visit sometime, and maybe throw a little happy karma on my sad-sack specimen.

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15 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Ben, your's is magnificent. How much sun exposure does it get. Mine's shaded by several overhead palm canopies but gets some winter full sun. Is your's exhibiting any splitting yet. It's got a great Cocos look!

Almost full sun, Jim, and lots of heat as you know.  I'm waiting for the split but hoping it decides not to!

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On 4/24/2018, 9:01:30, Ben in Norcal said:

Here’s my big boy this morning. Easy care, don’t do much besides water it.

 

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That's a golden coco.

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On 4/24/2018, 11:22:09, Jim in Los Altos said:

Dave, the nearby Kentia is really big at over 20 feet with a huge canopy. It will always be much taller than my currently juvenile Jubaeopsis. At the rate my Syagrus x Butia x Jubaea, also nearby, is growing, it too will be well above the Jubaeopsis. I just want the "island" they're all growing on to be lush but not with trunk overload. Most of my landscape is already on trunk overload. ;)

IMG_6665.thumb.JPG.afca63e55cd10cf587364Dave, There's the nearby Howea and the Queen Bu Ju in the low center of the picture and you can see the Jubaea fronds peaking out in the lower right side of the picture. The rest of the palm foliage is several Chamaedorea benzii. 

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11 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

IMG_6665.thumb.JPG.afca63e55cd10cf587364Dave, There's the nearby Howea and the Queen Bu Ju in the low center of the picture and you can see the Jubaea fronds peaking out in the lower right side of the picture. The rest of the palm foliage is several Chamaedorea benzii. 

Whoa, like something out of "South Pacific."

As far north as Columbus, Ohio!

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On 4/26/2018, 12:03:34, DoomsDave said:

Whoa, like something out of "South Pacific."

As far north as Columbus, Ohio!

Thanks Dave. I've crammed palms into virtually every possible nook and cranny but still manage to add a couple more species every year. The palm bug is more like an addiction. 

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14 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Thanks Dave. I've crammed palms into virtually every possible nook and cranny but still manage to add a couple more species every year. The palm bug is more like an addiction. 

I'm on the same trajectory...:bemused:

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My Jubaeopsis is about 8 feet tall right now. Loving the solitary look, I was a bit surprised today to see.  ihad sort of noticed something happening over the winter but the split only became obvious when I took a real close look this morning. As summer is coming up and we have zero chance of rain or cold, I decided to chop the second spear after reading this thread. As Zeeth described above, my split is exactly in the crown.   

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The crown is divided into two distinct parts it's a bit confusing as there are leaves that seem to have turned around in the last little while to join one or the other stems.

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Hacking away at the unwanted stem.

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Stem reduced as far as I dare for now. Soft as a banana plant, sure it will all harden up and I can hack away further sometime in the future.

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Another view of the chop job.IMG_20180527_195949.thumb.jpg.8738831388

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The whole tree post-surgery.

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I recommend that you dust the cut surface with powdered sulfur as a preventative against infection.  It is not expensive, I always do this on cut, living tissues.  :) 

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Thanks for the recommendation Darold. I will have to pick some up tomorrow.

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On 24/4/2018, 6:58:28, Ben in Norcal said:

I'm further north, so I got Jim beat. :lol:

On 24/4/2018, 9:47:02, Hillizard said:

Well, I believe I'm both farther north and more inland than most of you other Jubaeopsis growers in California! I'm 'cheating' though since I keep my doubleheader in a pot and bring it indoors each winter... at least for the foreseeable future. I hauled it outside earlier this month once the temps increased

There are some instances of cultivated specimens in even more northern spots in Europe, above 40 N. But I think I am on the lead in terms of cold climate. IMG_20180514_173257.thumb.jpg.e2289258a8IMG_20180514_173242.thumb.jpg.55019ba48e

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13 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

There are some instances of cultivated specimens in even more northern spots in Europe, above 40 N. But I think I am on the lead in terms of cold climate. IMG_20180514_173257.thumb.jpg.e2289258a8IMG_20180514_173242.thumb.jpg.55019ba48e

Phoenikakias: Good to know! That gives me some confidence I'll be able to plant my double-headed Jubie in the ground eventually. ;)

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This is a fascinating thread. I was unaware some palms split heads. 

I wonder if that is why the CIDP's grow, what appear to be, multiple spears at once.

Are there pictures of split head Jubeae? I guess one would have to have a keen eye to notice the two separate spears. Or does it split the trunk in two? 

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48 minutes ago, GottmitAlex said:

This is a fascinating thread. I was unaware some palms split heads. 

I wonder if that is why the CIDP's grow, what appear to be, multiple spears at once.

Are there pictures of split head Jubeae? I guess one would have to have a keen eye to notice the two separate spears. Or does it split the trunk in two? 

Jubaeopsis splitting is a very different phenomenon to a palm having multiple spears at once (Phoenix, Bismarckia at many other non splitting/clumping/branching palms show this). For Jubaeopsis, D decipiens, baronii, Hyphaene and some others, spears can be sent out that grow eventually into new stems. One way I've been able to notice when a branching type is starting to split is when two new spears grow at a similar stage of progression beside each other. When a palm has multiple spears but is not going to branch, the spears tend to be at a different stage of growth (they are sent out one after the other). 

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Thank you Tim.

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Does anyone have pics of a split head palm?

(In all its grandeur)

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