Northmost cultivation

[Palmsbro]

  Where is the northmost cultivated Sabal palmetto or any other palm you can think of?

I may have found one on Google maps, the second one is after I zoomed in:

It appears to be on private property, as there is no street view for the roads nearest to this. This is just barely North of Cape Charles, VA.

[Palmsbro]

Also, I found some Trachycarpus fortunei in Vancouver, Canada:

I also found the Trachycarpus fortunei in Solomons, MD, here are two screenshots of it (it is in the Solomon's Island area):

This appears to be the palm that was referred to on the Wikipedia page on Trachycarpus fortunei.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Palmsbro
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[Mr.SamuraiSword]

On 4/5/2018, 6:08:07, Palmsbro said:

  Where is the northmost cultivated Sabal palmetto or any other palm you can think of?

I may have found one on Google maps, the second one is after I zoomed in:

It appears to be on private property, as there is no street view for the roads nearest to this. This is just barely North of Cape Charles, VA.

wow thats definatly a sabal.  good find.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

do these palmettos in conncticut count?

[kinzyjr]

Northernmost in the world is likely in Europe.  Perhaps near the coast in the Scandinavian countries:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIEKIbWLMs

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Northernmost is either in Europe or in Washington state/possibly Vancouver.  Someone posted pictures of a 20 year old palmetto near Seattle that had a few feet of trunk.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

Connecticut sabals don't count same as regenerated sabals hypothetically shipped to Barrow Alaska that'd live a few months.  

[Alicante]

Depends on the species. For example, the northernmost thriving Trachycarpus is in southern Sweden. I really doubt somewhere else in the world above 54-55°N has them.

For comparison, London is at 51°N, Vancouver at 49°N. 

In fact, I think that a warm microclimate south of Göteborg (57°N) can have Trachycarpus. Not as good looking as the Vancouver ones, of course, but neither looking half dead. Incredible winters for their latitude and pretty warm summers for the same reason. The annual temp is 9°C which is no joke for a place at 57° 40' N! And probably south of the city in a warm microclimate with a special orography, it can be around 10°C.

Edited August 26, 2018 by Alicante

[Rickybobby]

Vancouver and area has al kinds of trachycarpus and in many areas they have naturalized 

[NC_Palms]

I think the Alaska panhandle has a few trachycarpus. These should be the northernmost cultivated palm in the Americas. Sabal Palmetto is also cultivated long term in a few places in Delaware and Maryland. 

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by NC_Palms

[kinzyjr]

7 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

I think the Alaska panhandle has a few trachycarpus. These should be the northernmost cultivated palm in the Americas. Sabal Palmetto is also cultivated long term in a few places in Delaware and Maryland. 

 

You're probably right about the Alaska panhandle.  I always thought Ketchikan would be an ideal place for such an attempt.  They tried in Sitka, but it didn't work out.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/13080-palms-in-alaska/
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/14689-death-of-the-northern-most-alaskan-palm/

I think a few spots in southeast New Jersey (Cape May, Wildwood, etc.) are also using sabal palmetto.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

FyI- Sacramento is the same latitude as washington DC. 

[Ivorhooper]

Found this trachy this summer at Tobermory, island of Mull in the Scottish Highlands. Latitude 56.6.

Probably some further north on the west coast of Scotland. Doesn't get too cold there due to the gulf stream.

[NC_Palms]

14 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

You're probably right about the Alaska panhandle.  I always thought Ketchikan would be an ideal place for such an attempt.  They tried in Sitka, but it didn't work out.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/13080-palms-in-alaska/
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/14689-death-of-the-northern-most-alaskan-palm/

I think a few spots in southeast New Jersey (Cape May, Wildwood, etc.) are also using sabal palmetto.

Do you know how the N. Jersey palmettos are doing?

[kinzyjr]

8 hours ago, NC_Palms said:

Do you know how the N. Jersey palmettos are doing?

It has been a while since I checked on this, so I checked today.

I think they froze out in that Polar Vortex – along with trachycarpus according to the comments on the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpXZdoeivgw

Here are a few additional links of interest I've found in my research:

NJ:
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2036946/nj-palm-trees-planted-in-the-ground
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3236059/palm-trees-in-nj

A guy starting a nursery:
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/lower_capemay/middle-township-farmer-hopes-to-switch-from-importing-palm-trees/article_e5d297ae-7019-11df-a392-001cc4c03286.html

Sabal minor:
http://www.bg-map.com/sabal_m.html
http://www.bg-map.com/nj_updat.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPv5wC-BoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kNsTbpoQ4

Sabal minor and needle seem bulletproof after an establishment period.

[TexasColdHardyPalms]

I see some Sabal minor foliage burn on that last one video.  Takes a brutal winter to burn a minor. 

[kinzyjr]

21 minutes ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

I see some Sabal minor foliage burn on that last one video.  Takes a brutal winter to burn a minor. 

They certainly get brutal winters there.  According to weather.com, the record low in Atlantic City is -3F and it's -2F in Wildwood and Cape May.  Probably not so much the record lows, but the duration of low numbers that do the damage.

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 8/28/2018 at 7:26 AM, kinzyjr said:

You're probably right about the Alaska panhandle.  I always thought Ketchikan would be an ideal place for such an attempt.  They tried in Sitka, but it didn't work out.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/13080-palms-in-alaska/
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/14689-death-of-the-northern-most-alaskan-palm/

I think a few spots in southeast New Jersey (Cape May, Wildwood, etc.) are also using sabal palmetto.

Have you seen any sabal palmetto in cape may?

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

2 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Have you seen any sabal palmetto in cape may?

Here's the most northern on the east coast, Bridgeport Connecticut. Receives protection but no additional heat. 

[mnorell]

Across the Atlantic, I found references on the Hardy Tropicals UK Forum of Trachycarpus being grown at Læraraskúlin (a school) in Tórshavn, Faroe Islands; and even farther north at Trondheim, Norway. I couldn't find the Trachy at the school in the Faroe Islands, in fact there are few trees anywhere, but I certainly saw some spectacular scenery, especially when zooming around to various outer islands, amazing! And the other place mentioned, Trondheim, looks like a very lush, beautiful city, though colder in the winter than the Faroe Islands; but again, there was no specific location given. Here is a google street view for anyone who wants to run around trying to find a Trachy:
Tórshavn: Læraraskúlin, Tórshavn, Faroe Islands
Trondheim: Trondheim, Norway
And the forum on which these are mentioned, searched for "Faroe": Hardy Tropicals UK Forum

[EastCanadaTropicals]

18 hours ago, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Here's the most northern on the east coast, Bridgeport Connecticut. Receives protection but no additional heat. 

I wish they planted some in Crisfield, Maryland unprotected.

[Palm D]

There is a 8foot tall S. palmetto growing in Victoria BC, Canada.

it was grown by a local hobbyist and sold to the empress hotel.  It has suffered a bit this past year or so but still alive! 
 

here is a video of it wrapped up for winter:

 

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 4/5/2018 at 6:08 PM, Palmsbro said:

  Where is the northmost cultivated Sabal palmetto or any other palm you can think of?

I may have found one on Google maps, the second one is after I zoomed in:

It appears to be on private property, as there is no street view for the roads nearest to this. This is just barely North of Cape Charles, VA.

Give me a link to that house.

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 4/5/2018 at 6:08 PM, Palmsbro said:

  Where is the northmost cultivated Sabal palmetto or any other palm you can think of?

I may have found one on Google maps, the second one is after I zoomed in:

It appears to be on private property, as there is no street view for the roads nearest to this. This is just barely North of Cape Charles, VA.

I found a photo of the mansion:

But no photo of the palmettos.

Edited February 26, 2021 by EastCanadaTropicals

[palmsOrl]

On 1/18/2021 at 12:09 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Here's the most northern on the east coast, Bridgeport Connecticut. Receives protection but no additional heat. 

Is that Sabal palmetto?  Wow.

[Dave-Vero]

The Christchurch, NZ botanic garden has a reasonably happy Sabal palmetto.  I'm surprised at those S. palmettos in Victoria, B.C.  I'd expect the summers to be too cool.  Maybe the town occupies a special sunny spot?

 

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

3 hours ago, palmsOrl said:

Is that Sabal palmetto?  Wow.

Yes sir. Only wrapped in the winter. No additional head 

[Xion4360]

On 2/27/2021 at 1:14 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Yes sir. Only wrapped in the winter. No additional head 

I live a few blocks from it so I took some new pictures...its really big now. Also the others nearby.

 

 

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[Mr.SamuraiSword]

On 10/9/2021 at 3:42 PM, Xion4360 said:

I live a few blocks from it so I took some new pictures...its really big now. Also the others nearby.

 

 

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Great photos, she really is balooning up..  On another note, any idea what kind of Yucca is on the right of the Musa Basjoo?  I remember seeing it last time.  Clearly not the usual smaller trunkless Yucca filamentosa.

[RedRabbit]

On 1/18/2021 at 12:09 AM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

Here's the most northern on the east coast, Bridgeport Connecticut. Receives protection but no additional heat. 

If it will really live in Bridgeport, CT then it might be worth a try in Cape Cod, Nantucket, etc. Its amazing there’s one living in Connecticut though!

Edited October 12, 2021 by RedRabbit

[oasis371]

These sabals are hardy, and it gets protection from a (presumably) heated building, good sun exposure, being near water (LI Sound), and relatively mild recent winters with good snow cover (in addition to some protection).  Don't get me wrong, it's a terrific accomplishment and may encourage others to experiment! I like Sabals and grow a few (all containerized).  Gotta say, Sabal palmetto has not been a strong grower for me.  I have had better growth with Sabal louisiana (which is very cold hardy, maybe even more so than palmetto).

[hbernstein]

I respect zone pushing. I often try it, but in the other direction, mostly with non-palms. But I don't like to see palms suffer, two or three zones pushed, the poor things!

[oasis371]

 "But I don't like to see palms suffer, two or three zones pushed, the poor things!
"

Bridgeport, Connecticut is zone 7a, Sabal palmetto is hardy to 8a, that''s a push of one zone (with some protection).  It does not seem to be suffering to me.

[hbernstein]

30 minutes ago, oasis371 said:

 "But I don't like to see palms suffer, two or three zones pushed, the poor things!
"

Bridgeport, Connecticut is zone 7a, Sabal palmetto is hardy to 8a, that''s a push of one zone (with some protection).  It does not seem to be suffering to me.

True, the Sabal looks pretty good.

[Xion4360]

On 10/13/2021 at 10:38 AM, oasis371 said:

 "But I don't like to see palms suffer, two or three zones pushed, the poor things!
"

Bridgeport, Connecticut is zone 7a, Sabal palmetto is hardy to 8a, that''s a push of one zone (with some protection).  It does not seem to be suffering to me.

its more of a 7b because the average minimum is now 7..im guessing it will change when they update usda maps.

it also hasn't gone below 10 since 2019 so its looking healthy right now.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Xion4360

[Xion4360]

So here's the Bridgeport, CT Sabal Palm unwrapped now...its April 12, 2022

Winter wasn't bad. January was colder than average at 28.1 its the coldest average since 2015, but the coldest temp was still only 6 (thats a 7b)...so the palm isn't too damaged.

February (33.7) and March (41.6) were above average with minimum lows of 13, and 18 so pretty mild. SADLY all of the other palms by the building nearby were removed! (except the banana's because you can't get rid of them easily, they are sprouting out again)

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[Aceraceae]

59° North in Western Norway near Stavanger. Beats all Scottish latitudes except Shetland.