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kinzyjr

Since I have planted mine, a number of folks around town have also planted some coconuts on their property.  Here are a few I have noticed in my travels:

This is the photographed lot before the coconuts were planted:

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9526067,-82.0256258,3a,75y,339.11h,71.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq5AALQIUqbg-nfpyB01Ikg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Here is the lot with young coconuts in elevated plantings.  The one on the right isn't doing so hot, but the rest seem to be doing well after our brief cool snap.

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kinzyjr

Here is another planting.  These seem to have breezed through as well:

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RedRabbit

We've got at least 3 I'm aware of in my area that are fruiting thanks to the warm winters. :)

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0342394,-82.5056087,3a,75y,35.61h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6_1MoiGMCdr3wTZQ4LH1gQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0428744,-82.5321649,3a,75y,298.81h,80.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssGXE40n6ZOXdIEBwH-yP9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (bare in mind the image is from 2015 so they've put a lot of size on since)

 

Have you noticed any fruiting by you?

 

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@RedRabbit I haven't seen any with fruit on them here.  The ones I posted were just a few I had noticed as I traveled and are all post-2010 for sure.  I had hoped my Green Malayan would fruit by now, but it hasn't.  I don't think it is getting enough sun in the evening since it is so close to the house, so it may be a little while yet.

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Reeverse

That' s great to see! I'm hoping we keep having zone 10 winters.

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PalmTreeDude

Maybe those future zone projections were right! I hope they do well!

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kinzyjr

This is what one set of coconuts looks like after a 28F advective freeze.  I warned the property owner to cover them, but he didn't.  Being exposed to wind didn't help either...

20180218_FriedCoconuts.png

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Reeverse

Ouch. How did yours do? 

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RedRabbit
3 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

This is what one set of coconuts looks like after a 28F advective freeze.  I warned the property owner to cover them, but he didn't.  Being exposed to wind didn't help either...

20180218_FriedCoconuts.png

Thanks for sharing, that's about how the ones look around there. There was a nice fruiting one with a little trunk about a quarter mile from me that's looking pretty dead. A few look like they'll make it though, wind exposure (or lack of) seems to have made a big difference.

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kinzyjr
2 hours ago, Reeverse said:

Ouch. How did yours do? 

Mine have 3 good fronds on them and some partially dead fronds.  Mine were covered and are shielded from the north and west winds. 

13 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

Thanks for sharing, that's about how the ones look around there. There was a nice fruiting one with a little trunk about a quarter mile from me that's looking pretty dead. A few look like they'll make it though, wind exposure (or lack of) seems to have made a big difference.

The advective nature of the freeze made a big difference.

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Reeverse

It did. Our micro climate over here didn't stand a chance with that freeze. 

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kinzyjr
On 12/22/2017, 8:00:46, kinzyjr said:

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Just an update: Went past these palms today.  100% mortality on every planting.  Not surprising considering this is over closer to the airport and outside of town in a known cold spot.

The two palms that were 100% brown in the other picture above now have some green showing, so they may recover if they don't perish from fungus issues over the summer and we don't get another rough freeze next year.

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RedRabbit
6 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Just an update: Went past these palms today.  100% mortality on every planting.  Not surprising considering this is over closer to the airport and outside of town in a known cold spot.

The two palms that were 100% brown in the other picture above now have some green showing, so they may recover if they don't perish from fungus issues over the summer and we don't get another rough freeze next year.

Sad news, thanks for the update though.

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kinzyjr

For those that have asked about my coconut palms in various threads or messages, all four survived in various levels of health:

My green malayan with minimal damage.  In the most protected spot.

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Jamaican Tall #1 - The most exposed.  Still has a green frond and a green spear.

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Jamaican Tall #2: A little more protection, so a little more green.

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MayPan: Moderately protected from wind, but not much overhead protection.

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All of them were covered with towels/blankets during the worst temperature drops.

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GottmitAlex

Fantastic!!! Magesterially done.

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kinzyjr
On 2/18/2018, 2:05:20, kinzyjr said:

This is what one set of coconuts looks like after a 28F advective freeze.  I warned the property owner to cover them, but he didn't.  Being exposed to wind didn't help either...

20180218_FriedCoconuts.png

Just a follow-up regarding the above coconuts.  Both had almost complete frond burn.  One is removed, but the other actually managed to survive.  We'll see for how long.  Apologize in advance for the picture quality.

20180902_090030_CoconutSurvivor_small.jpg

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kinzyjr
On 12/22/2017, 9:25:42, kinzyjr said:

This is another pair that has been there for a few years on Main St. heading out of town.

https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0459036,-81.9255977,3a,50.6y,148.78h,77.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNUhFBL0wdr2ty31KmA7_Kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I had been meaning to follow up on the coconuts on Main St. out in the Lake Bonny neighborhood, right before Longfellow Blvd.  They did survive the 2018 advective freeze, even with a northern exposure and no overhead canopy.  I am unsure about any protection afforded to them by the owners.  They look wonderful though!

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PalmTreeDude

Glad to hear they survived! 

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10 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

I had been meaning to follow up on the coconuts on Main St. out in the Lake Bonny neighborhood, right before Longfellow Blvd.  They did survive the 2018 advective freeze, even with a northern exposure and no overhead canopy.  I am unsure about any protection afforded to them by the owners.  They look wonderful though!

20181222_105225_MainStreetCoconut_1600.jpg

They look great. Fantastic recovery. 

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ruskinPalms

This is why I will probably always have at least one coconut going in the yard even if they are semiannuals in my area. They are very fast growers here in general and look great even as small non-trunking palms. And who knows, maybe I’ll get lucky and plant a magical one that can actually make it long term here ;)

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On 2/18/2018 at 2:05 PM, kinzyjr said:

This is what one set of coconuts looks like after a 28F advective freeze.  I warned the property owner to cover them, but he didn't.  Being exposed to wind didn't help either...

20180218_FriedCoconuts.png

The survivor out of this pair as of this month:

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pj_orlando_z9b
2 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

The survivor out of this pair as of this month:

201906102315_CoconutNeighbor_1.png

That's a heckuva recovery. Looking great!

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GottmitAlex
On 12/23/2018 at 5:31 PM, ruskinPalms said:

This is why I will probably always have at least one coconut going in the yard even if they are semiannuals in my area. They are very fast growers here in general and look great even as small non-trunking palms. And who knows, maybe I’ll get lucky and plant a magical one that can actually make it long term here ;)

They are rockets (growth-wise) anywhere.

Not even the W. robustas hold a candle to the speed of growth C.nucifera has in the same environment.   

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kinzyjr
On 6/30/2019 at 11:36 PM, pj_orlando_z9b said:

That's a heckuva recovery. Looking great!

It's recovery is going pretty well.  I'm not entirely certain yet which variety this might be.  If it is a Golden Malayan, it's the hardiest one I've encountered in person.

20191011_172948_2018CoconutSurvivor_1200.jpg

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palmsOrl

That looks terrific Jeremy.  I wonder if that specimen is actually a golden petiole tall of some sort.  Seems less likely, based on what is commonly available commercially, but you never know.

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@palmsOrl The crown is always the part that made me think Malayan.  It has always been more upright with more of an umbrella shape.  There was a second one next to it that bit the dust in 2018 and it had the upright crown too. 

@Zeeth Could you weigh in with your much more observant eye?

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bubba

Great job Kinzy! Coconuts have to grow in Lakeland. I can still remember the fully mature Coconuts throughout Orlando in the late 1950's. I believe they disappeared in the 1962 freeze. Eric and all of you are showing resurgence post 1989. Long live the Coconut in central Florida...

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2 hours ago, bubba said:

Great job Kinzy! Coconuts have to grow in Lakeland. I can still remember the fully mature Coconuts throughout Orlando in the late 1950's. I believe they disappeared in the 1962 freeze. Eric and all of you are showing resurgence post 1989. Long live the Coconut in central Florida...

I can certainly believe that 1962 would have been one of the years where tender palms and tropical plants took a dive in our area.  We set a record low here that year (20F) that has since been revised to 19F.  My guess is that when Weather.com merged their data (20F) with Wunderground.com (18F), they averaged the two and arrived at 19F.  Then came the 1980s with 1985 (20F) and 1989 (21F).  After living in this city for almost 15 years, I'm starting to get better at finding the warm pockets of the city.  Downtown is a treasure trove of pre-2010 goodies.

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Zeeth
On 10/11/2019 at 8:56 PM, kinzyjr said:

@palmsOrl The crown is always the part that made me think Malayan.  It has always been more upright with more of an umbrella shape.  There was a second one next to it that bit the dust in 2018 and it had the upright crown too. 

@Zeeth Could you weigh in with your much more observant eye?

Seems maypan-ish but it's pretty hard to tell from the photo. Maybe in a few years once it's bigger it'll be a bit easier

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kinzyjr

Just a few updated photos of the coconuts on Main St.

20200627_180526_MainStCoconuts.jpg

And a pair that were planted near the wastewater facility.

20200627_183730_GlendaleCoconuts_1500.jpg

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Mr. Coconut Palm
On 6/30/2019 at 10:55 PM, GottmitAlex said:

They are rockets (growth-wise) anywhere.

Not even the W. robustas hold a candle to the speed of growth C.nucifera has in the same environment.   

So true, Alex.  My Maymex Hybrid that was the most cold injured of my 3 in ground ones, has totally recovered and growing like a weed, putting out HUGE ROBUST LEAVES NOW, AND GETTING A VERY FAT BASE OF THE TRUNK, and it hasn't even produced any woody trunk yet!

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Mr. Coconut Palm
1 hour ago, kinzyjr said:

Just a few updated photos of the coconuts on Main St.

20200627_180526_MainStCoconuts.jpg

And a pair that were planted near the wastewater facility.

20200627_183730_GlendaleCoconuts_1500.jpg

Looking GREAT, at least by Central Florida standards!

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chinandega81

How are the coconuts doing? They look great. Are these from palm collectos or are they somewhat common up there now?

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kinzyjr
1 hour ago, chinandega81 said:

How are the coconuts doing? They look great. Are these from palm collectos or are they somewhat common up there now?

So far, things are OK.  That could change quick.  I don't think any of these folks are palm collectors as they typically do not have a lot of other species present.  A few have really nice gardens, so I'm sure they have an interest in gardening in general.  Home Depot was selling Green Malayans with a bit of gray wood for ~$150 and there is a coconut grower that ships out of Frostproof on Craigslist that has large coconut palms for sale.  The availability and generally mild winters we've had in recent years are probably pushing the trend toward them being more common.  There is one at the top of Luce Rd. now, but it's just a few years in the ground thus far.  I'll probably have some updated photos of mine in the coming months.

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