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Hey all,

I've grown a ton of trachys and filiferas from seed, and have never had good success with the former... Seems impossible to use the baggy method without fungus taking over sooner or later.

 

Has anyone tried to scarify the seeds of either of the aforementioned palms? I have no problem germinating the filifera seed, but I'd just like to speed up the process. Good, pure filifera seed always takes 1 month+ for me. 

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Jungle Jas.

Personally I have never  had to scarify Trachy seeds, if the seeds are fresh they  should germinate. What temperature are you keeping them at? If you have a fungus problem soak the seeds in a copper fungicide  for 24 hours.:greenthumb:

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TexasColdHardyPalms

Germinating Trachy seeds is different than other palm species. It took me two years of trial and error to get it right but i just germinated close to 10,000 trachy seeds using the following method. Soak 2 days, clean and scarify, clean and soak 3 more days. Let dry for one day at room temperature, then sew into pots in a shaded location. As long as you have fresh seed youll get 80+% germination. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms

Fresh or not i get filifera seed to germinate in 6 days.  They are by far the easiest palm seed to germinate. Here's a few one year olds hanging out. 

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Jungle Jas.

Yes they are easy but 6 days is pretty good going. I suspect your climate is warmer than mine. :greenthumb:

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lapalmeraie

Indeed! Here you'll need to use or the central heating or a propagator if you want to achieve any temperature higher than 22°C (72°F) for some period of time... :rolleyes:

2 a 4 weeks for Washy seeds to germinate is already a good result I might say.
Remember we're talking about palms. Not peppers :lol: 
I once had to be patient for 1,5 years ! to have a Jubaea germinating....

However, for Trachys, our climate is just perfect! No scarification needed, the real secret is that you have to conserve a temperature of maximum 22°C. Anything higher will considerably slow down the germination process! Still it aren't the quickest; anything between 2 and 6 months is quite decent. When sowing directly in the garden, you may even have to wait till the next season.

Kind regards
Niek 

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Fusca
20 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Germinating Trachy seeds is different than other palm species. It took me two years of trial and error to get it right but i just germinated close to 10,000 trachy seeds using the following method. Soak 2 days, clean and scarify, clean and soak 3 more days. Let dry for one day at room temperature, then sew into pots in a shaded location. As long as you have fresh seed youll get 80+% germination. 

That's interesting Joe - when you say clean and scarify I assume you mean cleaning away the thin layer of purplish black "flesh" and then scratch the brown seed to scarify?  To be honest I've only attempted to germinate a few of these and had success using the baggie method with only cleaning and soaking, but perhaps I was just fortunate.  I don't recall how long it took but your method must certainly speed up the process.  It's definitely helpful to know a tried and true method - thanks for sharing.

Jon (no longer in Corpus Christi)

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lapalmeraie

It's true that the thin seed coat is believed to slow down the germination process. But the still do germinate when you leave it on.
In our colder climate in Nothern Europe it is one of the main species we cultivated on large scale, even if I do not have reached the cape of 10.000 yet :bemused: lol.
Only this year harvest on just one female did counted over 5000 seeds... you really don't want to peel all of them believe me :lol:

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Freshly harvested the can be used immediately, otherwise soaking for 48h is indeed advised.
Then just sow them by many, moisten & cover up and be patient. This is one of my 2016 batches. I'll guess they're with 70-80 subject together. I'll separate them next year to accelerate their growth even if you could let them together like this for some years. I did so but don't expect too much growth than.

ps. @TexasColdHardyPalms: wow! that's some large scale propagation on that picture! Do Trachy's have any succes afterwards as they fear too much heat? Or isn't the Texas climate as hot as I think it is? ^_^

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Niek

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Jungle Jas.

Removing the flesh from large quantities  of seeds is a chore, life's to short. I have used a cement mixer with some gravel in, easy peasy. :D

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TexasColdHardyPalms
22 hours ago, Fusca said:

That's interesting Joe - when you say clean and scarify I assume you mean cleaning away the thin layer of purplish black "flesh" and then scratch the brown seed to scarify?  To be honest I've only attempted to germinate a few of these and had success using the baggie method with only cleaning and soaking, but perhaps I was just fortunate.  I don't recall how long it took but your method must certainly speed up the process.  It's definitely helpful to know a tried and true method - thanks for sharing.

Jon (no longer in Corpus Christi)

Correct, all of the black pulp is removed and the brown/maroon color is exposed and roughed up. This takes several weeks off of trachycarpus germination time. It is key to let the seeds air dry for a full day as they are very susceptable to rot. Ive also started to soak more of my palm seeds with captan solution and let that dry to encapsulate in fungicide like i do cycad seeds. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms
3 hours ago, Jungle Jas. said:

Removing the flesh from large quantities  of seeds is a chore, life's to short. I have used a cement mixer with some gravel in, easy peasy. :D

I stopped using the cement mixer/gravel combo as it was too time consuming.  I made a custom tool that cleaned 10,000 trachy seeds in 45 minutes.  

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Jungle Jas.

You Texans just have to go one step further. :D Aren't  you going to describe your secret weapon:drool:.

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lapalmeraie

I knew a Texan with weapons of mass destruct..... :innocent::lol:

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Jungle Jas.

:floor: Yes I think he knew a man who had some as well. What ever happened to him?:rolleyes:

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pennerchris@gmail.com
On 8/29/2017, 4:32:28, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Germinating Trachy seeds is different than other palm species. It took me two years of trial and error to get it right but i just germinated close to 10,000 trachy seeds using the following method. Soak 2 days, clean and scarify, clean and soak 3 more days. Let dry for one day at room temperature, then sew into pots in a shaded location. As long as you have fresh seed youll get 80+% germination. 

Thank you! Always love your pics.

I'm gonna see if I still have some trachy seeds leftover and try this ASAP.

What's your process for germinating washy seed? I suspect lack of warmth is the reason mine take so long--I always keep them inside the house in a closet.

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PalmTreeDude
On 8/29/2017, 5:37:01, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Fresh or not i get filifera seed to germinate in 6 days.  They are by far the easiest palm seed to germinate. Here's a few one year olds hanging out. 

20170820_163913.jpg

Wow!

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