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I have tortured this seed for years now.

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gtsteve

I grew this Lyto Weddell with a couple of others from Sydney grown seed, a few years ago. 

The others died after one or two leaves emerged, of rot.

They were too wet, the potting mix was cheap and did not drain well enough.

So, over a year ago I repotted this one into a very fast draining premium potting mix.

(No, not fine bark 2, seramis 1) and it has not changed.

So apart from insufficient drainage, what else would cause this?

I have looked really hard for insect type pests, and have not found any. And the roots look good too.

I was just going to give it away when it looked good, we have three other big ones in the ground doing well,

but still I wondered, what could cause this incomplete opening?

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gtsteve

I have searched briefly through the input of a couple of specialists in this species, (Kai and Pal)  and I think that I found the problem.

" I hugged and kissed them. ^_^ They are not materialistic, so they enjoyed my caress much more than fertilizers or similar material things. :D "

Problem solved. :P

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Pal Meir

Yes, you found it! That was the main problem. :rolleyes: Another only marginal problem seems to be the soil mix. I would transplant it very carefully (don’t break any (main) roots!) into a small pot with a coarser soil mixed with ±crushed LECA.

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Kai
13 hours ago, gtsteve said:

I have searched briefly through the input of a couple of specialists in this species, (Kai and Pal)  and I think that I found the problem.

" I hugged and kissed them. ^_^ They are not materialistic, so they enjoyed my caress much more than fertilizers or similar material things. :D "

Problem solved. :P

I guess that's it! But you make it sound like we're some kind of hippies :floor:

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gtsteve

Mmmm. (Nodding)

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Missi
On 7/15/2017, 9:36:08, Kai said:

I guess that's it! But you make it sound like we're some kind of hippies :floor:

:o Are you not?!! ;):P:D

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Kai
9 minutes ago, Missi said:

:o Are you not?!! ;):P:D

I guess I am a palmhugging hippie then. Got no problem with that!

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gtsteve

Ok, I did as advised back in July (winter). It is only starting to warm up now.

There is now a new leaf, I can hardly wait to see if it opens better.

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lapalmeraie

So you gave too much nutrients is that it? :unsure:

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gtsteve

Actually mate, I really still don't know. Spring is slow coming, it is not warming quickly here, growth is not fast.

I would not have thought that it got too much nutrient or water before. I don't use fertilizer, just a potting mix.

It was old though and probably not free draining enough. When new, the mix was 'fluffy' enough, but as it ages it packs down too much apparently.

I can't imagine that it was too much nutrients I never add fertilizer, but water yes.

I can see that years ago the mix was sufficient to sprout the seed,

but it settled too much after years of top watering and the bottom of the pot ceased to drain freely.

I usually prefer a larger pot because I often go away camping and don't water consistently.

But I would feel silly if I asked for advice and did not take it. So I reduced the size of the pot.

I have never understood how a pot could ever be too big. But I have a lot to learn.

Also in repotting I did learn that it had packed down more than I knew, and that now with the new mix,

if you put the pot on your hand and spit into it, you will wet your hand. Lovely!!   :-} 

 

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lapalmeraie

Thanks!

20 hours ago, gtsteve said:

I have never understood how a pot could ever be too big. But I have a lot to learn.

I pots too big the soil remains easily too moist as the roots won't cover all the available soil ^_^

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Jungle Jas.

I would rather have a big pot and water it less, It saves on the root disturbance in the future.:greenthumb:

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gtsteve

Update: there is no update, nothing has changed. Well not much anyway.

The new little spear in the last pic, taken 2 months ago,

from being repotted 6 months ago is the top tall spear in this latest pic.

Where my first mix may have held water like a spoon, this mix holds water like a fork.

Over a dozen different other palms seem happy in their position, but not this baby.

Probably just the runt of the litter.

There is yet another leaf appearing but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to be any better, we will see.

Stupid Syagrus. :P

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Kris
On 10/26/2017, 11:30:22, Jungle Jas. said:

I would rather have a big pot and water it less, It saves on the root disturbance in the future.:greenthumb:

Even i thought so.Please update us every 6 months.I like to know how its doing.

 

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gtsteve

Well despite the fact that we have several other Weddels quite happy in the garden near this seedling in the pot, this one is still not growing.

The potting mix drains very well. It is winter here now, maybe I should bring it inside, but I am still surprised that it did nothing in summer.

But it is good to know that I am not the only person to have a Lyto that just won't grow.

Those leaves that appeared to have opened a bit, I eased them all apart with a pin, and it was not easy.

There you go Kris.  ;)

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Pal Meir
12 hours ago, gtsteve said:

Well despite the fact that we have several other Weddels quite happy in the garden near this seedling in the pot, this one is still not growing.

The potting mix drains very well. It is winter here now, maybe I should bring it inside, but I am still surprised that it did nothing in summer.

But it is good to know that I am not the only person to have a Lyto that just won't grow.

Those leaves that appeared to have opened a bit, I eased them all apart with a pin, and it was not easy.

There you go Kris.  ;)

As your soil mix is very (!!) coarse you should water the palm daily with soft (rain) water. Keep it indoors during the cold season at c. 20±5°C. Give it a shower weekly (or so) with warm water. Never let the roots get dry. If it does not grow don’t give any fert.

PS: My Lyto which would not grow bigger is now quite big. :)

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gtsteve

Ok thanks, I will see what I can do,

that is more attention than I am used to giving to a plant, but I will try.  

I'll let you know in 6 months.

PS: If you have any more trouble with your Lyto growing too big,

let me know I can probably give you some tips on how to prevent that.  :) 

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Pal Meir
9 hours ago, gtsteve said:

PS: If you have any more trouble with your Lyto growing too big,

let me know I can probably give you some tips on how to prevent that.  :) 

Oh, that is very kind of you. :o I’ll ask you again when my Lytos will be bumping the ceiling of my home office. :rolleyes:

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gtsteve

I'm now thinking that it is not the potting mix or my variables but just a less viable natural variation, a genetic deficiency. The last shoot is still not opening normally after a month.

And the other fronds did not open either. I separated all of the leaflets apart with much difficulty and a pin. 

It is spring here now so I might just plant it in the garden with the other ones that are doing well and let nature take it's course. 

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 It's new home will be under here.

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Pal Meir

I don˝t think that it is genetic, but a matter of the roots. In the case it can grow healthy roots it will become a »normal« Lyto weddellianum. :greenthumb:

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gtsteve

You are probably right, unfortunately I am unable to find the right balance for it,

Hopefully the garden will be better.

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gtsteve

Still after 7 months in the ground, the plant has with it's last leaf displayed the same characteristic of not opening properly.

I have again aided it with a pin and tweezers.  Perhaps next year it will improve. It only puts out about 1 leaf a year.

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Also,  recently I found a long neglected pot with about 5 cm or 2 inches of garden soil originally , (mud now) some fine bark and debris that floats on the surface, (because it takes 20 minutes to drain)

and some seeds that may have been accidentally stuck to the bottom of my boots 10 months ago when I visited various places.

I wonder what they could be with their cute little monkey faces, looking like tiny smooth coconuts.

It's probably time to improve their conditions a bit. I'll go out and do that now. They were lucky to survive.

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gtsteve

Half an hour later.....

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Now to forget them again for another 10 months.  :-) 

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Pal Meir

Please don't torture those little monkeys too! :huh:

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gtsteve

Ok it has been about 6 months, so an update on my 5 lytos or for the new people more correctly known now as Syagrus weddelliana. 

My oldest seedling must be about 5 years old now  I suppose, unfortunately I do not have the typically Teutonic disposition for accurate and detailed record keeping. It has been in the ground now over winter and it is starting to warm up now. It predictably has not advanced much. It looks better than it should because I have opened out more of its leaflets better with a pin. The circled bit is not clear petiole but leaflets still stuck together which I have not got around to opening manually.   So no change there.

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My other newer four seedlings are all looking good having continued to grow slowly through winter. And they even have their own stick with a name on it.

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Pal Meir

Looking nice, your babies. Good luck! :greenthumb:

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Merlyn2220
On 10/2/2019 at 12:03 AM, gtsteve said:

My other newer four seedlings are all looking good having continued to grow slowly through winter. And they even have their own stick with a name on it.

Did you call one of them "George?"  

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gtsteve

Still slow with the last leaf failing to expand properly but I think George is a little better. It was easier to open manually, with a pin than before.

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And the day after opening those little leaflets myself,

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gtsteve

The other seedlings are all doing well, but I had some unexpected luck with my biggest Weddle which seems to have some seeds forming. It did have one previous (the first) flower stalk which failed to produce young

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Laaz

My Lytocaryum Hoehnei's seem to do much better in the ground. I added about 4 inches of crushed gravel to the bed for better drainage & then added about the some amount of topsoil. They are growing like weeds.

 

 

 

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Fusca
6 hours ago, Laaz said:

My Lytocaryum Hoehnei's seem to do much better in the ground. I added about 4 inches of crushed gravel to the bed for better drainage & then added about the some amount of topsoil. They are growing like weeds.

 

 

 

Would love to see pics of yours in the ground!  :)

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