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For some years I was trying to make this cross.

After being hold up by some one who had the Princeps male flowering for some years already, I finally succeeded in pollinating my Waggy with pollen from a dutch palm enthousiast.

The result off sowing some seeds in January, is so far two seedlings.

I think that the seeds behave as the true Princeps, a few will germinate in the first year, and the others the years to come.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

Wow, Nice!!  How large is the princeps that flowered?

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Jimhardy

Princeps is a 2 ridger(first leaf)and yours is coming up a four ridger like

Fortunei(Waggie)...very interesting,this is the cross that I have always

wanted to try but I have always wondered if the latent Fortunei genes

in Wagnerianus would show up in a cross with Princeps and leave you

with a plant similar to "Nova"????

 

 

This will be very interesting to watch develop!

Please keep us posted!

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Aldert

Some pictures of the male Trachycarpus Princeps.

I think that the trunk is about 1 meter high.

Jim, I sold some of the seeds on the EPS.

 

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Jimhardy

I would love to get some but

I am not a member of EPS anymore.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

Great pics!! Thanks for sharing.

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Palm crazy

I look forward to seeing how your babies turn out, good job. :greenthumb:

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Vic

This is an exciting cross Aldert. I also managed to get some pollen this year from a former EPS member in London. I managed to cross it with wagnerianus, and fortunei. I also had some seeds from you that have already germinated so I look forward to see how they develop as I think they will be outstanding cold hardy palms for us. 

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Vic

IMG_5495.thumb.JPG.6a237e0e8cfd85a397956This was the male princeps 

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Jimhardy

are there anymore pics available of the seedling coming up????

 

It will be interesting to see if any 2 riders pop up 

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Vic

too early to tell if any of mine are have 2 ridges, i will know in a month or so.

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Jimhardy

I just noticed a week ago that some of my

40 or so seeds(2) are starting to come up.

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Jimhardy

Now 5...exciting up to the minute updates...

 

Maybe get a ridge count on some of these in a month or so

and find out whos running the show...2 ridgers for Princeps or

4 for Waggies...or ?#?...certainly will be fun to see what features develop on

this new creation.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

I walked by my baby princeps this afternoon and snapped a few pics to keep the thread going. 

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Jimhardy

Love the furry trunks on these palms....this cross really intrigues me...

it will be fascinating to see if they are all 4 ridgers or a mix of 2 & 4...

last time I looked about 15 had come up out of the 40 planted.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

I would guess with the mother being Waggy that they will be 4 ridgers.  From that I have witnessed with palms and cycads the mother's genes are usually very dominant.

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eddie

 

All of my 18 or so WxP seedlings are 4-ridgers. The pics seem to show what might appear to be 8 or 9 ridges but this is just an illusion as on each leaf blade there are pale lines between each one. Each blade is very wide indeed.

 

 

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Jimhardy

Thanks for posting pics of these....do they seem a little different

than typical Fortunei seedlings-if so,in what way??? They look a little different to me...

that ridge outline is smoother than what I have seen and they appear to be wider and possibly longer?

 

What do you think?

 

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TexasColdHardyPalms

They look like healthy waggy seedlings.

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Jungle Jas.

Thanks for the close up, shows what you mean beautifully, nice and healthy looking. When did you plant your seeds.:greenthumb:

 

Jas

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Vic
On 6/22/2017, 1:06:57, Jimhardy said:

 

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Vic
On 6/26/2017, 10:13:20, Vic said:

too early to tell if any of mine are have 2 ridges, i will know in a month or so.

Mine are now pushing 2nd leaves and are all 4 ridgers except one that has 3 ridges. I bought a few extra from Aldert and sowed then directly in the garden, and after a warm spring/summer they are all coming up too. Very good seeds, looking forward to how they will develop.

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Josh-O
On 5/15/2017, 10:00:50, Aldert said:

Some pictures of the male Trachycarpus Princeps.

I think that the trunk is about 1 meter high.

Jim, I sold some of the seeds on the EPS.

 

princeps 9.jpg

princeps 8.jpg

princeps 7.jpg

princeps 6.jpg

princeps 5.jpeg

great pics!!

that plant looks suuuuuuper happy. Great job growing it :)

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Kenarr09
On 12/08/2017, 23:37:50, Vic said:

Mine are now pushing 2nd leaves and are all 4 ridgers except one that has 3 ridges. I bought a few extra from Aldert and sowed then directly in the garden, and after a warm spring/summer they are all coming up too. Very good seeds, looking forward to how they will develop.

I have bought fortunei x princeps will to compare the difference between them. I hope they will germinate quick 

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Jimhardy

I think I counted 30 of the 40 seeds up so far here....if I can suggest

(if you guys have not thought of this already)to separate any

3 ridgers,2 ridgers or any deviation from the (apparently) "normal" 4 ridgers

to see how they may defer.....and they probably will differ.

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Josue Diaz

I bought and germinated seed sold as princeps x wagnerianus. Here are my seedlings at the moment. I had near 100% germination within a few weeks of planting them. I'm not sure if I'm counting these right but I'm seeing 4 ridges on these strap leaves. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms

4 ridges spell problems.  All of the Waggy x princeps I have are 2-3 ridges, and I germinated about 400 of them.

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Vic

I only have 1 princeps x wagnerianus and that was given to me as an established seedling, but i see no reason why there wouldn't be 4 ridges in the mix? Most of the wag x princeps i produced were thin strap leaf seedling almost void of any ridges. 

 

I've just germinated (nanus x wagnerianus) x princeps, so with 75% of its genes coming from 2 ridgers i'd expect very few if any 4 ridges and more 2 ridgers, but time will tell.

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Jungle Jas.

Hi,  I have just gone out into the garden and counted the ridges on my seedlings. I seem to have one 2 ridge a couple of 3 ridge and the rest are all 4 ridge.  From  what I have read on here does that mean the 2 and 3 ridges should grow differently,  I should lavish more love and attention on these  than the 4 ridges. :wub::floor:

 

Regards Jas.

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jimmyt
On 4/24/2019 at 8:31 AM, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

4 ridges spell problems.  All of the Waggy x princeps I have are 2-3 ridges, and I germinated about 400 of them.

That is why they call that 4th ridge, “Heartbreak Ridge”. :floor::yay: Yuk, Yuk!

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Aldert

The female Trachycarpus Princeps in The Netherlands!

The only so far known female Princeps at this moment.

But others females will come soon!

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Seeds of the Princeps pollinated with Naggy and others with Nanus. The upper seeds in the photo are WagnerianusXPrinceps

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Aldert

PrincepsXWagnerianus

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Aldert

WagnerianusXPrinceps

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Side by side, left  WaggyXPrinceps.

Right  PrincepsXWaggy.

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