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Cyphophoenix nucele...Anyone Growing This?

Jim in Los Altos

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IMG_2142.thumb.JPG.120a3a62df9b3261240d6I have two Cyphophoenix nucele in my garden that have been in place three years and I'm really impressed with the species' ease of care and cold/cool hardiness as well as the relatively fast growth. Do any of you have mature trunking ones to show off and anything to say about this species. I'm quickly getting more and more into the genus with C. elegans and C. alba doing really well as well. They all need lots of water I noticed and seem to like shade.

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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15 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

IMG_2142.thumb.JPG.120a3a62df9b3261240d6I have two Cyphophoenix nucele in my garden that have been in place three years and I'm really impressed with the species' ease of care and cold/cool hardiness as well as the relatively fast growth. Do any of you have mature trunking ones to show off and anything to say about this species. I'm quickly getting more and more into the genus with C. elegans and C. alba doing really well as well. They all need lots of water I noticed and seem to like shade.

I have one Jim, in ground maybe 3 years from Floribunda?  Doesn't look great because I put it in full sun, but I don't have the heart to try and move it.  They can certainly take more of a freeze than purported - and C. elegans is a definite winner here.

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On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

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Looks great Jim. You're correct; they can motor along when they're content. Ditto on the need for shade. C. elegans seems fine with a lot of sun, but not nucele.

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I obtained a small one recently and look forward to growing it....... This time last year I visited its natural habitat of Lifou, New Caledonia. I only managed to find one mature plant but it had no seed on it. It was growing in an exposed, dry looking spot. Incidently Lifou is almost the exact same latitude 20.9448S compared to Airlie Beach 20.2675S....... So hopefully it should do well for me here.

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I also enjoy this plant very much. I have one growing at my house in Carlsbad. Unfortunately it will need to be removed soon since I planted it to close to my dypsis oropedionis 5 yrs ago :(

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I also enjoy this plant very much. I have one growing at my house in Carlsbad. Unfortunately it will need to be removed soon since I planted it to close to my dypsis oropedionis 5 yrs ago :(

Josh, as you can see in my pic, I don't worry about closeness when it comes to palms. In the 5' x 5' area that the nucele resides in there are eight other palms. As long as their canopies are at different heights, there's plenty of room. ;)

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Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

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8 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Josh, as you can see in my pic, I don't worry about closeness when it comes to palms. In the 5' x 5' area that the nucele resides in there are eight other palms. As long as their canopies are at different heights, there's plenty of room. ;)

I agree.

I'm guilty of cram planting my stuff.

But..........

Having a very large and virtually impossible to find dypsis oropedionis that is now 7' tall and actually growing I'm forced to remove the nucele out so this palm can be clearly seen. I'll probably plant one at the fairview garden and nursery soon.

 

yours is looking real nice BTY B)

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I am growing one of these, below dense canopy and just filtered light. It is smaller than Jim's but is producing continuosly bigger leaves ^_^ it is loving our cool atlantic climate. later i will upload a pic.

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Slow, but steady for me. It doesn't like too much sun. Hopefully this year it starts to pick up some speed.

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Here's mine planted 'after" the big freeze of 2010. So it's cold hardiness hasn't really been tested. But, one great thing about it is, it's super salt tolerant. Not a brown leaf tip anywhere to be found and that's a real plus here on the beach. (who would have thunk?)

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I have two in my garden. One is in the shade under canopy and doing well. The other in a south facing full sun planter in the hottest part of my property. I wasn't the most informed palm grower at the time or I would not have planted it there however my ignorance has paid off as the tree is now almost 9 feet tall with four or five rings of trunk. It is absolutely thriving and is one of our favorite plants! I will post a picture as soon as I can.

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Here is one of mine from my old garden...I really need to get some more as they are very tough palms here...will take a good beating and still shine through. Same with the entire genus.

 

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Mine is relatively fast, faster than the elegans and the oli that went in with it.

It is a bit ratty with the wind too, it looks as if it should be tougher than the others in the wind, but it isn't. 

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Cheers Steve

It is not dead, it is just senescence.

   

 

 

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I am growing one of these, below dense canopy and just filtered light. It is smaller than Jim's but is producing continuosly bigger leaves ^_^ it is loving our cool atlantic climate. later i will upload a pic.

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Here is mine.

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http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/

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On 3/13/2017, 4:02:40, NatureGirl said:

Here's mine planted 'after" the big freeze of 2010. So it's cold hardiness hasn't really been tested. But, one great thing about it is, it's super salt tolerant. Not a brown leaf tip anywhere to be found and that's a real plus here on the beach. (who would have thunk?)

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Hey NatureGirl, how much sun is that guy getting.  He looks fantastic.  I wonder if he will become more upright with age?

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It's only getting a little sun, there's a large Sabal yapa that blocks the afternoon sun completely.

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Weird how successful everyone is with this species. Mine has only been shrinking since I got it 3 years ago. It behaves more like my Dypsis decipiens than any other species I grow. 

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I have seen the same issue Keith. My elegans grows at 3 times the speed... I only occasionally hear from people with nucele out pacing their elegans. 

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On 3/11/2017, 4:53:36, Jim in Los Altos said:

Cyphophoenix nucele in my garden that have been in place three years and I'm really impressed with the species' ease of care and cold/cool hardiness as well as the relatively fast growth. Do any of you have mature trunking ones to show off and anything to say about this species. I'm quickly getting more and more into the genus with C. elegans and C. alba doing really well as well. They all need lots of water I noticed and seem to like shade.

There is/was a beautiful one nearby in the Quail Botanical Garden (now SD Botanical Garden).  It got beat up when a tree above it crashed down taking out a few palms and trees.  I haven't seen how it has recovered.  Before that incident, I liked it so much that I planted one.  Cyphophoenix elegans seems to take both significantly more sun and grows faster for me than C nucele, but I still have high hopes for it.  Replacing my fence and in preparation moved pots so I was able to get a "clean shot" of my little C nucele.

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On 3/13/2017 at 4:02 PM, NatureGirl said:

Here's mine planted 'after" the big freeze of 2010. So it's cold hardiness hasn't really been tested. But, one great thing about it is, it's super salt tolerant. Not a brown leaf tip anywhere to be found and that's a real plus here on the beach. (who would have thunk?)

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Charlene is this one still going? I’m getting ready to plant one that I picked up at the Palm Beach sale and would be glad to get any tips for this area.

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On 3/11/2017 at 4:53 PM, Jim in Los Altos said:

I have two Cyphophoenix nucele in my garden that have been in place three years and I'm really impressed with the species' ease of care and cold/cool hardiness as well as the relatively fast growth. Do any of you have mature trunking ones to show off and anything to say about this species. I'm quickly getting more and more into the genus with C. elegans and C. alba doing really well as well. They all need lots of water I noticed and seem to like shade.

Jim time for an update on yours as well.

 

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I’m getting ready to plant one that I picked up at the Palm Beach sale and would be glad to get any tips for this area.

That is a nice looking specimen you will be planting.  I would imagine you would want some shade in Florida as the sun is more intense there than here in California.  Like Jim mentioned in his original post, I'm growing mine in only part day sun, and mostly filtered or indirect sun.  I'm curious if either of Jim's are now growing up into the sun, as his was larger back when this post started than the one I have in the ground.  My Cyphophoenix elegans seem to handle more sun than the nucele as well as being less likely to show any signs of damage from cool in winter than nucele.

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@Tracy Thanks!
I’ve had one older frond peeking into the full sun over the last week for testing. Its getting maybe 3 hours a day and so far only very slight tinge of burn on the tips. Unfortunately I don’t have much cover at this point. I’m using potted bananas and Adonidia to shield some other stuff but this guy is a bit tall for that. I have one spot that gets cover from afternoon sun so maybe I’ll try it there for a while but leave it in the pot.  

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16 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

I’m using potted bananas and Adonidia to shield some other stuff but this guy is a bit tall for that. I have one spot that gets cover from afternoon sun so maybe I’ll try it there for a while but leave it in the pot.  

Good call.  Adding a couple more bananas might be a reasonably fast solution as well.  In one summer they can attain enough height to easily protect your plant if its in the ground, especially if you plant a couple of bananas to provide some shade.  At the end of the season or next year, you get the added bonus of getting to pick and eat some bananas.  It is a solution recommended to me many years ago, that came in handy several times.

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Charlene is this one still going? I’m getting ready to plant one that I picked up at the Palm Beach sale and would be glad to get any tips for this area.

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Yes Dean, it's doing very well. Next time you come by, remind me and I'll show it to you. 

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