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Sabal minor At Their Range Limits?

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tjwalters
5 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:
5 hours ago, climate change virginia said:

naturalized at dc arbetorium

Doesn't count but I would like some seed of that. 

Naturalizing 8 miles NE of the Arboretum...

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VA Jeff
On 1/4/2021 at 5:41 PM, climate change virginia said:

speaking of alligators there have been some sightings of alligators in extreme south east Virginia could be a dumped pet or one that went exploring a little too far it could be from climate change but no one knows for sure

Gators are still native to some of the waterways that connect to rivers/creeks/estuaries that flow into Southside Hampton Roads.  I suspect the occasional wandering male shows up from time to time.

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EastCanadaTropicals
On 22/02/2017 at 8:39 PM, PalmTreeDude said:

Anyone have any pictures of native Sabal minor at just about their fattest northern ranges? I want to see more Sabal minors at their limits, inspired by this awesome thread: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/52756-sabal-minor-in-habitat-mccurtain-county-ok/

Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island.

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PalmTreeDude
22 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island.

It would be very hard to find any Sabal minor in the area, if they are even there naturally, because it is a very flat swamp/marsh environment that not a lot of people are willing to go out into in search of plants, endless it were a PalmTalk member who was searching! 

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GoatLockerGuns
On 1/31/2021 at 1:05 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island.

 

1 hour ago, PalmTreeDude said:

It would be very hard to find any Sabal minor in the area, if they are even there naturally, because it is a very flat swamp/marsh environment that not a lot of people are willing to go out into in search of plants, endless it were a PalmTalk member who was searching!

I used to live in Chesapeake, Virginia from 2007 to 2010.  I have been canoeing/fishing around Knotts Island.  As @PalmTreeDudesaid, it is mostly marsh...lots of Typha sp. (Cat's Tail Reed), but I saw no Sabal minor.  I have hiked extensively in Back Bay National Wildlife Refuge and False Cape State Park.  I saw plenty of Quercus virginiana (Live Oak) and Tillandsia usneoides (Spanish Moss) growing there; however, I never spotted in any Sabal minor (although, it looks like the kind of place you would find Sabal minor).  I never saw any Sabal minor growing in the Dismal Swamp either (at least not along the Washington Ditch, Portsmouth Ditch, The Dismal Swamp Canal Trail in Chesapeake, or Dismal Swamp State Park in North Carolina).  I have also hiked in First Landing State Park (Virginia Beach), Northwest River Park (Chesapeake), and Merchants Mill Pond State Park (North Carolina), and never saw any Sabal minor there either.  I am not saying it is not growing wild there, but I never noticed any from the trails (and I am the kind of person who would take notice of Sabal minor if I saw it there).  If its growing wild there, its most likely in areas that are not very accessible to most people.  I remember seeing some Sabal palmetto being grown as ornamentals in Sandbridge though (actually all over coastal Virginia Beach).  I would not be surprised if people are landscaping with Sabal minor in Virginia Beach as well.

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RaleighNC
On 1/31/2021 at 2:05 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said:

Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island.

The northernmost natural population of S. minor in NC appears to be in Martin County. That population was discovered in 2004. A short paper was published about it in 2008:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/4034272

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PalmTreeDude
1 hour ago, RaleighNC said:

The northernmost natural population of S. minor in NC appears to be in Martin County. That population was discovered in 2004. A short paper was published about it in 2008:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/4034272

Since then the Monkey Island population was found in Currituck County, and there is one posted just north of Corolla on iNaturalist that I believe is credible because the surrounding area looks exactly like it actually does there. 

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10 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said:

Since then the Monkey Island population was found in Currituck County, and there is one posted just north of Corolla on iNaturalist that I believe is credible because the surrounding area looks exactly like it actually does there. 

Oops, I should have read the entire string of posts.  Thanks for the correction!

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