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A friend gave me this pretty little thing recently, neither of us really knew what it could be though. At first i thought it looked like a dypsis, but the fiber on the trunk tells me otherwise.  Any thoughts?

 

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Jdiaz31089

This is the underside of the fronds

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PalmTreeDude

Looks like a Butia? Or some other date palm, let's see what others have to say.

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quaman58

Any possibility it's a Jubea?

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Jdiaz31089

haha! i hope not, i have no room for another one of those

Just now, quaman58 said:

Any possibility it's a Jubea?

 

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Darold Petty

Cannot be a Phoenix, as the leaflets on this palm are reduplicate.  :)

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kirkhutch

Looks a bit like my Jubaeopsis 

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atlantisrising

Don't rule out Dypsis just because of the fiber. Fibrosa, pusilla, and crinita all have fiberous hairy trunks. I have the first two and the fiber looks similar but the leaf does not and the petiole is too stout for a youngster in those species. It actually looks like my Neovietcha storckii did when young. Totally guessing though. Also not familiar with the range of species available on your coast.

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Mantis sp.

Looks amazing.....Jubaea hybrid? Not Butia for me.

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Kim

Some kind of Syagrus?  I first thought Jubaea also. 

Neoveitchia storckii would not have divided leaves at that age, nor would the leaflets be folded like that. Besides, this is in Fresno.

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

Some kind of Syagrus?  I first thought Jubaea also. 

Neoveitchia storckii would not have divided leaves at that age, nor would the leaflets be folded like that. Besides, this is in Fresno.

It seems like the concensus is that it is a cocoid species. I did get this in San Diego County, so the variety of species there is greater than in Fresno. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms

It is not a Jubaea or Jubaea hybrid and doesn't look like a normal Butia (odorata, eriospatha, yatay, catarensis). It doesn't look like anything that I grow so I am going to guess some sort of Syagrus.  However that doesn't make sense as it wouldn't be pinnate at this size; even Butia isn't Pinnate at this size.  So the only thing I can tell you is what it isn't.

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DoomsDave

A cocoid for sure.

Might even be a Beccariophoenix madagascarensis (no window).

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Ben in Norcal

I think DD has it.  I say B. madagascarensis too.

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Sabal Steve

Could it be a Kentia?  I don't remember what they look like at that stage.

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Danilopez89

I think Dave is right guessing that it's a B. Mad.

 

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DoomsDave

If it's a B. mad, full sun, regular water.

Maybe repot it, give it another year before planting out. Takes FOREVER to get any size, but don't plant under the wires, for the love of your great-grandkids.

Pull it out of the pot and look at the dirt and roots. If it's all detioriated and nasty, repot for sure. IF not sure, show us and we'll help.

Share with us what you do and what it turns out to be.

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Hammer
25 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

If it's a B. mad, full sun, regular water.

Maybe repot it, give it another year before planting out. Takes FOREVER to get any size, but don't plant under the wires, for the love of your great-grandkids.

Pull it out of the pot and look at the dirt and roots. If it's all detioriated and nasty, repot for sure. IF not sure, show us and we'll help.

Share with us what you do and what it turns out to be.

Looks like a B. mad.  Slow but steady grower. A VERY attractive palm.  Nice score!

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Josh-O

 

 

its not becarriophoenix mad. those have yellow margins and more of a yellow petiole (like in Dave's pic) this thing has a bluish glaucus already forming and is fully pinnate even at this size.

Its not a jubea because it has no hooks on the tip of the fronds.

I think Kim and joseph got it right. it just might be some sort of syagrus sp's. perhaps a dwarf species.

 

Truly a mystery a mystery palm...

 

where did your friend acquire this palm? this info might help out

 

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Jdiaz31089
3 hours ago, Josh-O said:

Truly a mystery a mystery palm...

where did your friend acquire this palm? this info might help out

 

A mystery indeed! George Sparkman of Fallbrook gifted this to me. Maybe he'll chime in, but neither of us knew what it could be. He graciously gave it to me and told me to find out what it was! 

tomorrow, I'll take a look to see if the seed is still attached. Maybe it'll help resolve whether it's beccariophoenix or syagrus by the form of the seed. 

 

4 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

Pull it out of the pot and look at the dirt and roots. If it's all detioriated and nasty, repot for sure. IF not sure, show us and we'll help.

Share with us what you do and what it turns out to be.

I definitely will plan on that. Perhaps i can do that this weekend and give it a bit more room to spread it's roots.

 

If it helps any, this palm has seen mid-30s already this month without a single spot so that rules out any truly tropical species. 

 

6 hours ago, The Steve said:

Could it be a Kentia?  I don't remember what they look like at that stage.

I have Kentia seedlings this size and the leaflets are flatter, wider and droopier.

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Pal Meir

I  think that it is NOT a Syagrus; all Syagrus spp I know have only ONE point where the pinnae are attached to the rachis, and NOT TWO as this palm has:

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Pal Meir

This is what I meant; it not exactly one point, but in case of Syagrus spp the two points are much closer together:

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Kim

When you put it in the ground, if it grows fast, it's a hybrid.

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Josh-O
3 hours ago, Kim said:

When you put it in the ground, if it grows fast, it's a hybrid.

true dat!!

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Josh-O
5 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

This is what I meant; it not exactly one point, but in case of Syagrus spp the two points are much closer together:

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awesome visuals Pal! :greenthumb:

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Josh-O

this is exactly why I like this forum so much. we all pitch in and help each other out.

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Josh-O

my second guess is jubaeopsis caffra. I found this picture on the web today and it sure looks close. I also looked at some of my 15 gals and they have the same leaflet arrangements. Pals wonderful images got me thinking again.

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kirkhutch
On 11/24/2016, 3:40:42, kirkhutch said:

Looks a bit like my Jubaeopsis 

I still go with Jubaeopsis. See the pic of mine. 

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rprimbs

It's definitely not a Syagrus because the trunk is wrong,  It looks a bit like a Beccariophoenix but it doesn't seem to have the sort of "windows" I would expect at this size.  It looks very Dypsis like to me.

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Pal Meir
On 24.11.2016, 23:40:42, kirkhutch said:

Looks a bit like my Jubaeopsis 

 

1 hour ago, Josh-O said:

my second guess is jubaeopsis caffra. I found this picture on the web today and it sure looks close. I also looked at some of my 15 gals and they have the same leaflet arrangements. Pals wonderful images got me thinking again.

Jubaeopsis was also my first guess, but I know nothing about cocosoid hybrids, so I didn’t add any positive guess because I was (and still am) not sure … :indifferent:

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Jdiaz31089

hmm, we'll I repotted it and found no seed to speak of. I did find a mass of dead roots bit i don't think they belonged to the palm in question. The root system seemed kind of small to me, and the soil just all feel apart  when i tried getting it out of its container. It does show new root growth though which was positive!

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Jdiaz31089

And here are some pictures of the petioles showing slight tomentum, which i think gives the palm a glaucus look like Josh said. 

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Jdiaz31089

Here she is in her new home. Also, Ruah likes to photobomb

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DoomsDave

Looks like it could be any number of things.

In any event, it's good that you repotted it in some nice fresh dirt.

The Photobombing Doggie will protect from any varmints that try to eat it!

Keep us apprized.

George has a lot of great stuff, no telling what it could be!

 

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tim_brissy_13

My first impression was Jubaeopsis though it is hard to tell at that size. Seems to have the yellowish colouring of the leaves of that species coming through.

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BS Man about Palms

Looks so close to so many things. But I don't really see Jubeaopsis. But I could see Beccariophoenix, Butia, Jubea, or Ravenea in various stages of happiness. I am always terrified of bare rooting palms heading into winter.. :( I kinda almost see Parajubea..

But if it survives, another year it might to show more tendencies..

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rprimbs

On my second look I would guess Butia?

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Jdiaz31089

Well, I think it's safe to assume that whatever this is, it's pretty hardy. It spent the winter outside underneath a "canopy" or sorts (bare limbs of a deciduous magnolia.) It's showing little spotting on all fronds, but is most significant on the oldest fronds. We hit low-30s a handful of times this winter, and there was heavy frost at least 3 nights. The spears (two new spears) are healthy though, and seems to be active. 

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Ben in Norcal

Hmmm...I don't think Butia or Jubaea would show that much damage at those temps?

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