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cassowaryhill
18 hours ago, SoTropiCal Ben said:

Since we're talking about Beccarios, here's a couple of pics of my B. Madagascariensis.  Just for fun...:)

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No WAY !!! Are you sure that isnt a coconut!! 

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Zeeth
4 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:

Thats pretty good going.. How much do you water ?

I water once per week in winter, twice in spring/fall and 3 times per week in summer if it doesn't rain. Our soil is mostly sand, so I try to match watering frequency to how quickly the water drains+evaporates. The soil is always moist, but never wet/soggy.

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Gtlevine

I have a couple pretty big ones in So Cal, but Len Geigers is by far the biggest and most impressive palm in his yard, and he has a lot of impressive palms.

 

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Josh-O
28 minutes ago, Gtlevine said:

I have a couple pretty big ones in So Cal, but Len Geigers is by far the biggest and most impressive palm in his yard, and he has a lot of impressive palms.

 

Gary

I agree Gary

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cassowaryhill

Yeah I agree too... Lens is the biggest ... Although I'm wondering if Bec. Madagascarensis isn't more coconutty looking now ... 

Soooo confused ... 

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Josh-O
16 minutes ago, cassowaryhill said:

Yeah I agree too... Lens is the biggest ... Although I'm wondering if Bec. Madagascarensis isn't more coconutty looking now ... 

Soooo confused ... 

they do look more like a coconut when they are younger

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cassowaryhill
2 minutes ago, Josh-O said:

they do look more like a coconut when they are younger

But when they big ... No real difference between the two? 

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Josh-O
Just now, cassowaryhill said:

But when they big ... No real difference between the two? 

its hard to tell. I saw some monster growing in a Hawaiian garden and they looks pretty similar to me too.

no doubt a killer tree for our gardens

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Zeeth
30 minutes ago, cassowaryhill said:

But when they big ... No real difference between the two? 

Here are some pictures for comparison, with a picture in cultivation, and in habitat of each.

Juvenile B. madagascariensis

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Adult B. madagascariensis (a picture I found online)

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B. fenestralis (at Jeff Searle's nursery)

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Habitat pic of B. fenestralis:

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Juvenile B. alfredii (at Jeff Searle's nursery):

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B. alfredii in habitat

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Josh-O
46 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

Here are some pictures for comparison, with a picture in cultivation, and in habitat of each.

Juvenile B. madagascariensis

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Adult B. madagascariensis (a picture I found online)

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B. fenestralis (at Jeff Searle's nursery)

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Habitat pic of B. fenestralis:

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Juvenile B. alfredii (at Jeff Searle's nursery):

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B. alfredii in habitat

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gosh, when they mature they all look pretty close. I'm a bigger fan of the B. fenestralis.

Bret Q has a monster in his garden that looks fantastic

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cassowaryhill
1 hour ago, Zeeth said:

Here are some pictures for comparison, with a picture in cultivation, and in habitat of each.

Juvenile B. madagascariensis

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Adult B. madagascariensis (a picture I found online)

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B. fenestralis (at Jeff Searle's nursery)

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Habitat pic of B. fenestralis:

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Juvenile B. alfredii (at Jeff Searle's nursery):

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B. alfredii in habitat

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Personally I think now after looking, Im a bigger fenestralis fan....Fenestralis kinda looks coconutty from the get go...  BUT once alfredii is mature, its very coconutty looking!

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SoTropiCal Ben
18 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:
18 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:

No WAY !!! Are you sure that isnt a coconut!! 

 

Yup... it's a B. Madagascariensis... I wanted to also plant it in a bed of sand, and at an angle to give it more of a 'coconutty' appearance since we plan on putting in an above ground pool for the kids and create sort of a beach scene.:lol:  I will say, the yellow, golden petioles are a little more pronounced on this one than on my other. B. Mad...

 

Getting back to the B. Alfredii's, I planted a triple to see how it will look down the road...  And a few pics of some I planted at an angle to get that South Pacific 'Beachy' look...:)

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Another shot of the backyard one...

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SoTropiCal Ben

Thanks for bringing those pics back to light Zeeth!

 

On another note, I'm thankful to have had the opportunity to take this pano pic about 2 hours ago...

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Hammer

Amazing how much traction these Beccariophoenix threads get.  

I had the chance last month to see Jeff Searle's Alfie that Zeeth posted a picture of above.  If you notice in the background of that photo is a mature coconut.  Seeing the coconut and the Alfie live and in person and so close to each other was stunning.  They really looked almost exactly alike.  The only noticeable difference was the terminal leaflets on the Alfie are longer relative to the cocos and the overall leaf length on the Alfie is longer than the coconut. 

Otherwise, dead on ringer.

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Tyrone

For us away from the tropics, Beccariophoenix create the tropical coconut look in a climate that can grow cherries, apples, olives, trout, but where no coconut would stand a chance.

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SoTropiCal Ben

Another habitat pic I pulled up to share... this one looks more like a coconut grove to me...

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Palm Tree Jim
12 minutes ago, SoTropiCal Ben said:

Another habitat pic I pulled up to share... this one looks more like a coconut grove to me...

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Wow.....neat pic Ben.

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rprimbs

In my opinion they are better looking than coconuts.  They definitely have great landscaping potential.  But I fight to grow coconuts for another reason -- the coconuts!

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topwater

I've been too chicken to plant mine yet, the leaf tips have been browning in part day sun. What does PT think?  30 lb dog & 12" ruler for scale. 

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LJG
On April 11, 2016 at 3:37:00 PM, Zeeth said:

Here are some pictures for comparison, with a picture in cultivation, and in habitat of each.

Adult B. madagascariensis (a picture I found online)

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I wonder where that photo was taken? That to me looks like Fenestralis. 

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quaman58

I was thinking the same. But I can't recall ever seeing a picture of a fully trunking madagascariensis either. I would have assumed that it would have kept a bit of the more upright look. That one has the relaxed fenestralis look to it.

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Zeeth
1 hour ago, LJG said:

I wonder where that photo was taken? That to me looks like Fenestralis. 

It was taken in the Sainte-Luce reserve in the Fort-Dauphin area of Madagascar (one of the areas where B. madagascariensis is endemic). Here are other pictures from the same area:

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Josh-O
5 hours ago, Palm Tree Jim said:

Wow.....neat pic Ben.

Jim,

just google search this tree and be amazed. There are lots of really good habitat pictures now to look at. I remember when there were hardly any to look at but some of the original expiation pictures. Now there are mucho mas.

 

I,m looking forward to seeing you, Jwad and a few other fellow palm talkers tomorrow at the Vista Gardens and up and coming nursery for a PRA.

see you in the morning!

 

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Josh-O
4 hours ago, rprimbs said:

In my opinion they are better looking than coconuts.  They definitely have great landscaping potential.  But I fight to grow coconuts for another reason -- the coconuts!

I can't agree more! 

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Josh-O
19 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

It was taken in the Sainte-Luce reserve in the Fort-Dauphin area of Madagascar (one of the areas where B. madagascariensis is endemic). Here are other pictures from the same area:

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Awesome pictures!

habitat pictures are the bees knees!

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Palm Tree Jim
2 hours ago, Josh-O said:

Jim,

just google search this tree and be amazed. There are lots of really good habitat pictures now to look at. I remember when there were hardly any to look at but some of the original expiation pictures. Now there are mucho mas.

 

I,m looking forward to seeing you, Jwad and a few other fellow palm talkers tomorrow at the Vista Gardens and up and coming nursery for a PRA.

see you in the morning!

 

Thanks.

And see you tomorrow.

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LJG
3 hours ago, Zeeth said:

It was taken in the Sainte-Luce reserve in the Fort-Dauphin area of Madagascar (one of the areas where B. madagascariensis is endemic). Here are other pictures from the same area:

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Thanks. This southern form looks more ratty to me than the plants I saw from the north. Another interesting thing is how short the peduncle is on these southern ones. 

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richnorm

B. alfredii seems, around here at least,  to have this fine crazing on the leaflets. Anyone else noticed this?  Perhaps it would be a good diagnostic aid?

 

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cassowaryhill
On 12/04/2016, 08:37:00, Zeeth said:

Here are some pictures for comparison, with a picture in cultivation, and in habitat of each.

Juvenile B. madagascariensis

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Adult B. madagascariensis (a picture I found online)

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B. fenestralis (at Jeff Searle's nursery)

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Habitat pic of B. fenestralis:

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Juvenile B. alfredii (at Jeff Searle's nursery):

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B. alfredii in habitat

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MMM Thats a good observation 

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Zeeth
1 hour ago, LJG said:

Thanks. This southern form looks more ratty to me than the plants I saw from the north. Another interesting thing is how short the peduncle is on these southern ones. 

The inflorescence is also described as interfoliar on the northern populations and infrafoliar in the southern populations, in addition to the difference in peduncle length. 

 

Did you get any pictures of the northern population? 

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LJG

Yes. All juvenile. Some with maybe 3 feet of trunk. I saw one large flowering adult but couldnt get pic in forest. They look more graceful up north in my opinion. Which makes sense. 

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Hammer
4 hours ago, LJG said:

Thanks. This southern form looks more ratty to me than the plants I saw from the north. Another interesting thing is how short the peduncle is on these southern ones. 

So is Southern Fenistralis and Northern is Madagascariensis?

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Hammer
9 hours ago, topwater said:

I've been too chicken to plant mine yet, the leaf tips have been browning in part day sun. What does PT think?  30 lb dog & 12" ruler for scale. 

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Plant it yesterday if at all possible. 

Alfies have VERY fast growing roots.  They need the room to spread out and grab lots of water.  My guess is your Alfie is suffering because you haven't put it in the ground not the reverse.

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LJG
18 minutes ago, Hammer said:

So is Southern Fenistralis and Northern is Madagascariensis?

Both are Madagascariensis. Although to me the southern Madagascariensis form of looks more like Fenistralis than it does is northern brother. 

Fenistralis is only known from one isolated area of Madagascar almost directly east (100 kms?) of where the northern form of Madagascariensis can be found around Mantadia. 

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LJG
4 hours ago, richnorm said:

B. alfredii seems, around here at least,  to have this fine crazing on the leaflets. Anyone else noticed this?  Perhaps it would be a good diagnostic aid?

 

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Just checked and my Madagascariensis has this too.

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Danilopez89
19 hours ago, topwater said:

I've been too chicken to plant mine yet, the leaf tips have been browning in part day sun. What does PT think?  30 lb dog & 12" ruler for scale. 

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Yup, we thinks you've been too chicken... 

These plants handle lots of sun so don't be afraid to plant them in a full sun location. 

Btw, how long have you had these in those pots?

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topwater

These guys were potted less than a year ago, they came bare root off the web. 

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DoomsDave
On 3/24/2016, 6:48:15, cassowaryhill said:

All Very nice. Its hard to decide how to grow them here. Seeing we have the same weather as SanFran... Maybe more sunlight hours.. But move it full sun in winter? and then shade for Summer?

I agree with Ben: Full, blistering, blazing, melanoma-cizing sun! (Wear your hat . . . palm doesn't need one.)

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DoomsDave
On 4/11/2016, 9:36:21, SoTropiCal Ben said:

Thanks for bringing those pics back to light Zeeth!

 

On another note, I'm thankful to have had the opportunity to take this pano pic about 2 hours ago...

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Come to LH and see my Three Amigos! In the flesh . . .

PM if interested. (Ole!)

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DoomsDave
44 minutes ago, Danilopez89 said:

Yup, we thinks you've been too chicken... 

These plants handle lots of sun so don't be afraid to plant them in a full sun location. 

Btw, how long have you had these in those pots?

If they'll take sun for Danny, they'll take sun for anyone. He's in the serious footy-print desert.

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