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Have a look below... Cape Town, St Kilda/Melbs, Catalina Island.... Im sure there are heaps of other places... Malta, Majorca, Spain, 

BUT imagine those replaced with Coconut lookalike !!!

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Tyrone
1 hour ago, cassowaryhill said:

WOW!! Look at that!! Come on Temperate and Subtropical world... Stop with the planting of Phoenix canariensis and start these guys for a truly tropical looking coconut substitute !!!!

My place will be loaded with them eventually.

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Tom in Tucson

My 2 Beccariophoenix alfredii survived around 1/2" of snow from the same storm here in Arizona. They were both about 16" high then (no picture), and have grown a few more inches. It will be a couple of years until mine start to grow at a faster pace. I know this because of my experience growing them from 6" seedlings to 5' tall when I lived in San Diego. These new palms will take a year or 2 to get used to their new "digs". This summer will be 2 years since they were transplanted. These have been one of my favorites for years.

 Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 77°, Lo 42°

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Hammer

@Tom in Tucson  how are they doing in summe?  My brother has one in Phoenix that he puts under shade cloth as it really heats up. 

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Tom in Tucson
11 hours ago, Hammer said:

@Tom in Tucson  how are they doing in summe?  My brother has one in Phoenix that he puts under shade cloth as it really heats up. 

They do almost as well here as in California. They are both planted under the mostly evergreen high, thin canopy of Acacia smallii. They receive roughly 75% full sun.

HTH,

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 84°, Lo 47°

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Silas_Sancona
6 minutes ago, Tom in Tucson said:

They do almost as well here as in California. They are both planted under the mostly evergreen high, thin canopy of Acacia smallii. They receive roughly 75% full sun.

HTH,

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 84°, Lo 47°

:greenthumb: Good to know Tom. Was thinking such a spot under the canopy of Acacia or a large Mesquite/ group of Mesquite would be perfect here also.

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Hammer

Thanks Tom

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SoTropiCal Ben
On 4/1/2016, 11:47:53, Tom in Tucson said:

My 2 Beccariophoenix alfredii survived around 1/2" of snow from the same storm here in Arizona. They were both about 16" high then (no picture), and have grown a few more inches. It will be a couple of years until mine start to grow at a faster pace. I know this because of my experience growing them from 6" seedlings to 5' tall when I lived in San Diego. These new palms will take a year or 2 to get used to their new "digs". This summer will be 2 years since they were transplanted. These have been one of my favorites for years.

 Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 77°, Lo 42°

Thanks for sharing that Tom, it's nice to know they're surviving snow, especially in higher elevation,...    um     ARIZONA! :o:lol:     I think that proves how hardy these guys are.:greenthumb:

Jeff Marcus told me he got a report from Orlando, I believe, that 1-3 gallon seedlings had icicles hanging of the leaves back about 5-6 years ago... and they pulled through just fine.

Shane, Tyrone, if you have even a half dozen of these on your landscape, this is an idea of perhaps what they'll look like in 15-20 years, maybe...(?)...    I have 13 growing on the property, since I would like this type of look as a silhouette against the sunset...

Beccariophoenix alfredii 17.jpg

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Josh-O

there are nice specimens growing up in valley center San Diego.

talk about cold....and HOT

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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SoTropiCal Ben

...OR, if you're blessed to leave on the beach somewhere, perhaps a few Beccarios, may give you this look...

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Josh-O
On 4/1/2016, 4:18:42, cassowaryhill said:

Have a look below... Cape Town, St Kilda/Melbs, Catalina Island.... Im sure there are heaps of other places... Malta, Majorca, Spain, 

BUT imagine those replaced with Coconut lookalike !!!

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I grew up going to Catalina Island! awesome picture!!!!

I have friends that  live there year around in Avalon.

there are a couple of really nice palm gardens above the casino where the bells chime every hour on the hour.

I take my boat there often since I live across the Chanel in San Diego

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SoTropiCal Ben

...or this...

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cassowaryhill
20 minutes ago, Josh-O said:

I grew up going to Catalina Island! awesome picture!!!!

I have friends that  live there year around in Avalon.

there are a couple of really nice palm gardens above the casino where the bells chime every hour on the hour.

I take my boat there often since I live across the Chanel in San Diego

What are the gardens of the Channel Islands like? Many palm growers? 

@SoTropiCal Ben hell yeah!! I can forsee that and love the wild pic!!!

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Josh-O
11 minutes ago, cassowaryhill said:

What are the gardens of the Channel Islands like? Many palm growers? 

@SoTropiCal Ben hell yeah!! I can forsee that and love the wild pic!!!

no coconuts...lol

not enough heat to pull them off even though they never get any frost on Catalina island.

foxy ladies

some dypsis

rhopalostylis baueri

various archys

etc.

nothing crazy but real nice.

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cassowaryhill
On 2 April 2016 at 17:47:53, Tom in Tucson said:

My 2 Beccariophoenix alfredii survived around 1/2" of snow from the same storm here in Arizona. They were both about 16" high then (no picture), and have grown a few more inches. It will be a couple of years until mine start to grow at a faster pace. I know this because of my experience growing them from 6" seedlings to 5' tall when I lived in San Diego. These new palms will take a year or 2 to get used to their new "digs". This summer will be 2 years since they were transplanted. These have been one of my favorites for years.

 Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 77°, Lo 42°

Oh!! Well I consider foxy ladies a lovely hybrid species... So that's pretty awesome... Anyone on PalmTalk from there? don't worry highland coconuts will replace a lot of the date palms eventually :) 

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Josh-O
Just now, cassowaryhill said:

Oh!! Well I consider foxy ladies a lovely hybrid species... So that's pretty awesome... Anyone on PalmTalk from there? don't worry highland coconuts will replace a lot of the date palms eventually :) 

I don't think anyone from PT lives there. I'm almost positive.. 

the local population in the winter (year round residents) is only 800.

there is a 5 year wait period to bring a car over.

Golf carts are the only real way to get around the small city road system,

This island reminds me of the Mediterranean... :) 

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On ‎3‎/‎25‎/‎2016‎ ‎4‎:‎01‎:‎53‎, Zeeth said:

The two Beccariophoenix at Kopsick are B. madagascariensis :) 

Next time you go by, take a pic and post it please.  Trunking specimens are a rare sight.

 

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Heres mine :wub:IMG_20160408_46152.thumb.jpg.9320081c261

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It was a gift from SoTropiCal Ben. Thanks Ben!

It did good with the sun even at an early stage in its life. Handled 110°F  in mostly full sun with no problems. 

It seemed to be growing faster when I had a broken sprinkler next to it for a while and would flood the area every day. I just recently began giving it more water again, so hopefully I see it speed up again because it hasn't done much the past several months.

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My two year old specimen is growing quickly, handles light frost and hot weather effortlessly.   In fact, its grown that well I planted another a few months ago.

 

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cassowaryhill
2 hours ago, steve99 said:

My two year old specimen is growing quickly, handles light frost and hot weather effortlessly.   In fact, its grown that well I planted another a few months ago.

 

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Looks GREAT!!!! :) 

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SoTropiCal Ben
20 hours ago, Danilopez89 said:

Heres mine :wub:IMG_20160408_46152.thumb.jpg.9320081c261

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It was a gift from SoTropiCal Ben. Thanks Ben!

It did good with the sun even at an early stage in its life. Handled 110°F  in mostly full sun with no problems. 

It seemed to be growing faster when I had a broken sprinkler next to it for a while and would flood the area every day. I just recently began giving it more water again, so hopefully I see it speed up again because it hasn't done much the past several months.

Looking good out there in the desert Daniel!... I knew these had potential out there!... I've sold to clients out in the Phoenix and Scottsdale area who are growing them too...

It's good to know the 120˚ sun/heat doesn't bother them.  Even the sporadic frosts that can hit the lower deserts. :greenthumb:

It's funny I had just sent a PM to you about another subject....:lol:

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SoTropiCal Ben
16 hours ago, steve99 said:

My two year old specimen is growing quickly, handles light frost and hot weather effortlessly.   In fact, its grown that well I planted another a few months ago.

 

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Picture perfect Beccario A. Steven!   I love the Gold Coast, I've visited there before...  umm... through Google 'Street View':blush:B):lol:  That's all I can afford right now...

Lots of tropicals growing there, and it doesn't get as humid as Florida, correct?

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Josh-O
17 hours ago, steve99 said:

My two year old specimen is growing quickly, handles light frost and hot weather effortlessly.   In fact, its grown that well I planted another a few months ago.

 

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Steve, yours looks great!! I cant wait to see updated pictures in due time.

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Josh-O

here is a picture of a 24" box I planted at my Vista garden / nursery last year. It has actually grown quite a bit since it has been planted.

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570929c597816_2-11-16(7).JPG.f61613d5759you can see it just to the right of the guy in the black hat

57092a2f9ae25_2-11-16(24).JPG.0800b762d8AFTER... you can see how much it has grown. Its just to the left of the mule palm in the center of this picture

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4 hours ago, Josh-O said:

here is a picture of a 24" box I planted at my Vista garden / nursery last year. It has actually grown quite a bit since it has been planted.

57092914f02db_B.alfredii1.jpeg.f7afb59cbbefore

570929131f16a_Balfredii2.jpeg.4432deaa95

570929c597816_2-11-16(7).JPG.f61613d5759you can see it just to the right of the guy in the black hat

57092a2f9ae25_2-11-16(24).JPG.0800b762d8AFTER... you can see how much it has grown. Its just to the left of the mule palm in the center of this picture

How tall is it now Josh? Do you know how old it was when you planted it?

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Josh-O
5 hours ago, Hammer said:

How tall is it now Josh? Do you know how old it was when you planted it?

I grew it from a small 10 gal over 5 yrs ago. its only about 2 1/2 feet taller now. Its really starting to take off. you should stop by for a PRA some time.

I have recently sold over 5  24" box specimens this size to a high end landscape project in Vista. This species is really starting to take off here in popularity in California.

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Hammer
3 hours ago, Josh-O said:

I grew it from a small 10 gal over 5 yrs ago. its only about 2 1/2 feet taller now. Its really starting to take off. you should stop by for a PRA some time.

I have recently sold over 5  24" box specimens this size to a high end landscape project in Vista. This species is really starting to take off here in popularity in California.

Sounds like a day we'll spent...PRA!.  Glad the Alfies are taking off.  They look amazing.

So overall how tall?

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Mohsen
On 3/26/2016, 1:46:14, Mohsen said:

Shane...

They are not common in Sydney either...I have not seen one yet but in Botanical Garden...

I planted a small one from the first day in full sun...no sign of sunburn and open a new frond... I am 20-25 km away from the nearest beach ...

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I had to remove mine and plant it near pool...not much room like where it was  but I hope it thrives...

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Tyrone
On 4 April 2016 11:13:44 AM, SoTropiCal Ben said:

Thanks for sharing that Tom, it's nice to know they're surviving snow, especially in higher elevation,...    um     ARIZONA! :o:lol:     I think that proves how hardy these guys are.:greenthumb:

Jeff Marcus told me he got a report from Orlando, I believe, that 1-3 gallon seedlings had icicles hanging of the leaves back about 5-6 years ago... and they pulled through just fine.

Shane, Tyrone, if you have even a half dozen of these on your landscape, this is an idea of perhaps what they'll look like in 15-20 years, maybe...(?)...    I have 13 growing on the property, since I would like this type of look as a silhouette against the sunset...

Beccariophoenix alfredii 17.jpg

That's the look I want. :D

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SoTropiCal Ben
2 hours ago, Tyrone said:

That's the look I want. :D

I hear ya Tyrone... I'm not sure you know this but that pic above is of the actual, original grove of B.A.'s growing in Madagascar...

On another note, I planted my backyard Alfies as 2 gallon, 18" tall seedlings (pretty much), back in 2011, and here they are now...

The one the left is just over 10' tall... They're not fast but I figure if they grow at least a foot a year, in 10 years they'll have towering crowns and enough trunk to perhaps hold a hammock...   Oh, and hold my heavy body with a drink... :DB)

We just need to be patient...:winkie:

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...another angle...

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Since we're talking about Beccarios, here's a couple of pics of my B. Madagascariensis.  Just for fun...:)

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tstieber
On 3/24/2016, 6:48:15, cassowaryhill said:

All Very nice. Its hard to decide how to grow them here. Seeing we have the same weather as SanFran... Maybe more sunlight hours.. But move it full sun in winter? and then shade for Summer?

I was surprised that you thought you have more sunlight hours in Melbourne. San Francisco has just over 3,000 sunlight hours per year, whereas Melbourne has just over 2,100. The weather is much more variable in Melbourne, whereas it is more consistent in SF (although Melbourne gets more heat). With that in mind, definitely keep it in Sun

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4 minutes ago, tstieber said:

I was surprised that you thought you have more sunlight hours in Melbourne. San Francisco has just over 3,000 sunlight hours per year, whereas Melbourne has just over 2,100. The weather is much more variable in Melbourne, whereas it is more consistent in SF (although Melbourne gets more heat). With that in mind, definitely keep it in Sun

Agreed... they prefer full sun, heat with ample watering.

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Zeeth
15 minutes ago, SoTropiCal Ben said:

I hear ya Tyrone... I'm not sure you know this but that pic above is of the actual, original grove of B.A.'s growing in Madagascar...

On another note, I planted my backyard Alfies as 2 gallon, 18" tall seedlings (pretty much), back in 2011, and here they are now...

The one the left is just over 10' tall... They're not fast but I figure if they grow at least a foot a year, in 10 years they'll have towering crowns and enough trunk to perhaps hold a hammock...   Oh, and hold my heavy body with a drink... :DB)

We just need to be patient...:winkie:

Looking good! I did a similar planting at my parents' house with a future hammock in mind. All of mine were sprouted in 2010, but they've grown at different speeds. Here are some of mine with me for scale (I'm 6'4). 

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The last one is my tallest and it's always grown faster than the rest. I'm pretty happy with it. 

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23 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

Looking good! I did a similar planting at my parents' house with a future hammock in mind. All of mine were sprouted in 2010, but they've grown at different speeds. Here are some of mine with me for scale (I'm 6'4). 

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The last one is my tallest and it's always grown faster than the rest. I'm pretty happy with it. 

Looking good Zeeth!

I'm just curios, is the largest one south facing, and does it perhaps get more sun?

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14 minutes ago, SoTropiCal Ben said:

Looking good Zeeth!

I'm just curios, is the largest one south facing, and does it perhaps get more sun?

Thanks! The first picture is South-west facing, the second is South-East and the largest one is North-East. They all get a good amount of sun though, even in winter. 

 

The largest one does get more water though. It gets sprinkler water and it's own micro-sprinklers. The second one only gets sprinkler water, and the smallest ones only have micro-sprinklers. They're near a pond though, so I suspect they'll be happier once they reach the ground-water. 

Here's my B. madagascariensis, planted last spring from a 1 gallon from Floribunda:

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Here's my B. fenestralis planted at about the same time from a 5 gallon from Jeff Searle.

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cassowaryhill
18 hours ago, Zeeth said:

Looking good! I did a similar planting at my parents' house with a future hammock in mind. All of mine were sprouted in 2010, but they've grown at different speeds. Here are some of mine with me for scale (I'm 6'4). 

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The last one is my tallest and it's always grown faster than the rest. I'm pretty happy with it. 

Thats pretty good going.. How much do you water ?

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18 hours ago, tstieber said:

I was surprised that you thought you have more sunlight hours in Melbourne. San Francisco has just over 3,000 sunlight hours per year, whereas Melbourne has just over 2,100. The weather is much more variable in Melbourne, whereas it is more consistent in SF (although Melbourne gets more heat). With that in mind, definitely keep it in Sun

MMM That explains why San Fran Looks prettier than Melbs.. LOL... (Iv googled Street Views.. Very Pretty ) 
 

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