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Biggest Beccariophoenix alfredii north of Monterey

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cassowaryhill

Hi Guys, I live in Melbourne. So very much similar to San Fran. As there are heaps of B. alfredii in Oz, but not many in Victoria yet. I know you guys in CA would have started growing these way before anyone here in Victoria, Australia.

So wondering whats the biggest north of Monterey or lets say Santa Maria???

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Ben in Norcal

There are surely larger, but here's mine just now:

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RedRabbit

I'm kind of curious what the largest is period. I've yet to ever see one trunking in person.

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Hammer

Jeff Searle's ...

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cassowaryhill

All Very nice. Its hard to decide how to grow them here. Seeing we have the same weather as SanFran... Maybe more sunlight hours.. But move it full sun in winter? and then shade for Summer?

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Ben in Norcal
Just now, cassowaryhill said:

All Very nice. Its hard to decide how to grow them here. Seeing we have the same weather as SanFran... Maybe more sunlight hours.. But move it full sun in winter? and then shade for Summer?

These are full sun palms, all the time.

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Zeeth
1 hour ago, Hammer said:

Jeff Searle's ...

I think Pete Balasky's might be older. They're pretty close though, and both very impressive. 

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Josh-O

My guess is Len's is the biggest on the west coast.

its HUGE!!!!

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Hammer
2 hours ago, Zeeth said:

I think Pete Balasky's might be older. They're pretty close though, and both very impressive. 

I meant, this photo is Jeff's.  Have no clue if his is the biggest in captivity.   Jeff's Alfie is easily the largest I have ever seen in person.  I haven't seen Pete's so I can't really comment.  But I am sure his are awesome based on the pics you have posted in the past.

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Hammer
2 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

These are full sun palms, all the time.

Spot on comment.   I would add that they appreciate water.  Maybe in a cooler climate like coastal NorCal they need less but here in SoCal they LOVE water.

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Pip

From what age should B. alfredii be planted out in full sun in climates similar to coastal California?

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pigafetta

Im in coastal Victoria and planted a small one (about 2ft high from a 250mm pot) last spring it is in full sun pretty much all day and look's fine, no frond burn even on the hottest summer days.

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Pip

Thanks Michael. I've only just potted up my three seedlings into 120mm pots. I'll probably grow them for another year in my shade house before beginning their transition to full sun.

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Mandrew968

A lot of the fenestralis are big with trunk, and are seeding. Alfredii came out later and so those are a bit smaller than the big fenestralis in cultivation. I just saw an alfredii with some trunk at the Kopsick Palmetum in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Mine is about 10 or 12 feet.

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Zeeth
42 minutes ago, Mandrew968 said:

I just saw an alfredii with some trunk at the Kopsick Palmetum in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

The two Beccariophoenix at Kopsick are B. madagascariensis :) 

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cassowaryhill

Thanks Guys!! But this thread is for NorCal (and Victoria) so FL doesn't count. 

Whos got pics of Lens ? Petes?

cheers mate... That does answer my question for the sun down here.. It's more altitude sun which I find burns a lot ... But if you say it hasn't... That's great! 

 

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Zeeth
21 minutes ago, cassowaryhill said:

Whos got pics of Lens ? Petes?

Here's Pete's. The picture is a year old though, so it's probably bigger now.

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Here's Len's. Len took this picture, so I hope he doesn't mind if I share it here. This picture is also a year old.

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RedRabbit
3 hours ago, Mandrew968 said:

A lot of the fenestralis are big with trunk, and are seeding. Alfredii came out later and so those are a bit smaller than the big fenestralis in cultivation. I just saw an alfredii with some trunk at the Kopsick Palmetum in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Mine is about 10 or 12 feet.

They are pretty big, but I still didn't see a trunk. I'll be there tomorrow for the meeting and I'll take another look then.

2 hours ago, Zeeth said:

The two Beccariophoenix at Kopsick are B. madagascariensis :) 

I didn't realize that either, they sure look similar.

1 hour ago, Zeeth said:

Here's Pete's. The picture is a year old though, so it's probably bigger now.

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Here's Len's. Len took this picture, so I hope he doesn't mind if I share it here. This picture is also a year old.

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I'm still not really seeing a trunk there... I'm getting suspicious. lol

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Zeeth
50 minutes ago, RedRabbit said:

They are pretty big, but I still didn't see a trunk. I'll be there tomorrow for the meeting and I'll take another look then.

I didn't realize that either, they sure look similar.

I'm still not really seeing a trunk there... I'm getting suspicious. lol

I don't think either B. alfredii or B. madagascariensis have begun to trunk outside of habitat yet (unless Pete Balasky's has begun trunking in the year since I last saw it).

 

The B. mad at Kopsick may be close to trunking.

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Here's a trunking one in habitat for comparison. 

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Ben in Norcal

These seem to be pretty slow growing palms then, if there are none trunking outside of habitat?

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Zeeth
15 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

These seem to be pretty slow growing palms then, if there are none trunking outside of habitat?

B. madagascariensis is slow.

 

B. alfredii was only discovered in 2004, and wasn't really widely available until 2007. 

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Ben in Norcal
9 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

B. alfredii was only discovered in 2004, and wasn't really widely available until 2007. 

That's still 10 years and no trunking specimens...I consider that pretty slow.

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Mohsen
15 hours ago, cassowaryhill said:

Hi Guys, I live in Melbourne. So very much similar to San Fran. As there are heaps of B. alfredii in Oz, but not many in Victoria yet. I know you guys in CA would have started growing these way before anyone here in Victoria, Australia.

So wondering whats the biggest north of Monterey or lets say Santa Maria???

Shane...

They are not common in Sydney either...I have not seen one yet but in Botanical Garden...

I planted a small one from the first day in full sun...no sign of sunburn and open a new frond... I am 20-25 km away from the nearest beach ...

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Zeeth
8 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

That's still 10 years and no trunking specimens...I consider that pretty slow.

I guess it depends on your personal experiences. It's not a coconut or royal in the speed category, but it's faster than a lot of other palms that I've grown. It seems about the same speed as B. fenestralis in my experience. I'd consider it a medium-speed grower. 

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Darold Petty

John Case, of Brentwood, CA, may have one larger than Ben in Norcal.  Perhaps I will telephone him about this thread !  :) 

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Ben in Norcal
25 minutes ago, Darold Petty said:

John Case, of Brentwood, CA, may have one larger than Ben in Norcal.  Perhaps I will telephone him about this thread !  :) 

John's is very similar size, you are right, maybe just a touch larger.  I am hoping to catch him up since mine will be easier to keep well-irrigated - his is on his slope of death! :D

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Josh-O

I cant wait untill mine get big :)

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enigma99
3 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said:

That's still 10 years and no trunking specimens...I consider that pretty slow.

Yeah I agree with that. Here is a pic of mine I snapped today. Bought it a few years ago on eBay as a bare root 1 gallon. Although it's growing, it will be quite a while until it is anywhere close to trunking.

 

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Hammer
12 hours ago, Pip said:

From what age should B. alfredii be planted out in full sun in climates similar to coastal California?

I had 2 in liners that I potted up to 1 gallons.  They were in full sun all summer next to a swimming pool.  They grew like weeds and didn't burn at all.  Just give them plenty of water.  My experience is they grow faster in the full sun than in shade even at a very very young age. I am 6 miles from the coast in Southern California. 

I would get yours into the sun as soon as possible. 

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cassowaryhill
5 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Shane...

They are not common in Sydney either...I have not seen one yet but in Botanical Garden...

I planted a small one from the first day in full sun...no sign of sunburn and open a new frond... I am 20-25 km away from the nearest beach ...

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Cheers mate! There's one here in the botanical gardens here in Melbourne... I'm unsure as to age and height .. Will check it out. 

Sun burn is always what I worry about. But like everyone has said, water and sun!!! 

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cassowaryhill
9 hours ago, Zeeth said:

Here's Pete's. The picture is a year old though, so it's probably bigger now.

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Here's Len's. Len took this picture, so I hope he doesn't mind if I share it here. This picture is also a year old.

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Lens looks AMAZEBALLS!!! Those arching fronds!!! OMG 

I had coconuts for years so I know what I see and it's pretty darn close

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John Case
On ‎3‎/‎25‎/‎2016‎ ‎8‎:‎47‎:‎26‎, Ben in Norcal said:

John's is very similar size, you are right, maybe just a touch larger.  I am hoping to catch him up since mine will be easier to keep well-irrigated - his is on his slope of death! :D

Before I discuss this, you all  to know that 1) Ben is a good friend of mine 2) I have grown 2 of them since 2008 after getting them from Floribunda in 4 inch pots while Ben imported his from SoCal in a 5 gallon (or was it 15?) a couple of years ago 3) this is not a competition, 4) my 'slope of death' may be an advantage, 5) we get much warmer than Ben does on his side of the hill, even though we are only about 10 miles apart as the crow flies,6) I am further north than Ben and 7) this is not a competition.......

with all of that said, I claim that mine are larger and in case of a tie, I win because these were grown in NorCal for the majority of their lives and my stubbornness!:lol:

 

Photos to follow once I can climb the perilous path to nowhere (my granddaughters name for the route to the palms!

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cassowaryhill
1 hour ago, John Case said:

Before I discuss this, you all  to know that 1) Ben is a good friend of mine 2) I have grown 2 of them since 2008 after getting them from Floribunda in 4 inch pots while Ben imported his from SoCal in a 5 gallon (or was it 15?) a couple of years ago 3) this is not a competition, 4) my 'slope of death' may be an advantage, 5) we get much warmer than Ben does on his side of the hill, even though we are only about 10 miles apart as the crow flies,6) I am further north than Ben and 7) this is not a competition.......

with all of that said, I claim that mine are larger and in case of a tie, I win because these were grown in NorCal for the majority of their lives and my stubbornness!:lol:

 

Photos to follow once I can climb the perilous path to nowhere (my granddaughters name for the route to the palms!

Hahahaha!! This is great! Love the comp! 

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Ben in Norcal
1 hour ago, John Case said:

Before I discuss this, you all  to know that 1) Ben is a good friend of mine 2) I have grown 2 of them since 2008 after getting them from Floribunda in 4 inch pots while Ben imported his from SoCal in a 5 gallon (or was it 15?) a couple of years ago 3) this is not a competition, 4) my 'slope of death' may be an advantage, 5) we get much warmer than Ben does on his side of the hill, even though we are only about 10 miles apart as the crow flies,6) I am further north than Ben and 7) this is not a competition.......

with all of that said, I claim that mine are larger and in case of a tie, I win because these were grown in NorCal for the majority of their lives and my stubbornness!:lol:

 

Photos to follow once I can climb the perilous path to nowhere (my granddaughters name for the route to the palms!

John, of course it is a competition!!! :D

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John Case
1 hour ago, Ben in Norcal said:

John, of course it is a competition!!! :D

Ok, tough guy......here they are! :) 

The one immediately above the Koi pond is 8 inches diameter at the base and exactly 8 feet tall.

The one on the slope of death is 9 inches across and 84 inches to the tip.

These measurements were obtained at risk of injury and possible death while carrying extremely delicate electronic and mechanical measuring devices....so you know that it can be done, even by a guy with no prostate!

Happy Easter, amigo!

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Ben in Norcal
6 minutes ago, John Case said:

Ok, tough guy......here they are! :) 

The one immediately above the Koi pond is 8 inches diameter at the base and exactly 8 feet tall.

The one on the slope of death is 9 inches across and 84 inches to the tip.

These measurements were obtained at risk of injury and possible death while carrying extremely delicate electronic and mechanical measuring devices....so you know that it can be done, even by a guy with no prostate!

Happy Easter, amigo!

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Lookin' good, my prostrate-free friend!

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John Case

and for the record, my understanding of geography finds that none of the FL examples are north of Monterey CA; Monterey MX, maybe.....:)

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John Case
2 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Lookin' good, my prostrate-free friend!

Thankee! Do you still want one of the overwintered R. rivularis?

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Ben in Norcal
2 minutes ago, John Case said:

Thankee! Do you still want one of the overwintered R. rivularis?

Sure...I picked one up at a big box to put in a 15g pot, which it will sit in a few years.  Have you had yours in any sun/outside?

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