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Lytocaryum: Syagrus insignis vs. S. weddellianum

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And here a close-up of the soil with the 3 ingredients: Seramis® + pine bark 2-8 mm + a little LECA

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As contrast here a close-up of the soil mix for Syagrus weddelliana: 2/3 pine bark 2-8 mm + 1/3 Seramis® [+ a little Earl Grey’s Tea on the surface:interesting:]

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Pal Meir

The contrast between S. insignis and S. weddelliana in Dahlgren’s Index of American Palms (1959):

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An update, documenting the contrast between the two palm species:

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Adaxial, not yet completely unfolded section of 9th leaf of Syagrus insignis N°1401:

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Pal Meir

Abaxial, not yet completely unfolded section of 9th leaf of Syagrus insignis N°1401:

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dalmatiansoap

Going pinnate already?

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Pal Meir
24 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Going pinnate already?

Leaf #10, not yet looking very pinnate: :indifferent:

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At present the temps here are quite cool (18-20°C during the day, down to 13°C at night) … :interesting:

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dalmatiansoap

Quite warmer here and my seedling is speeding up.

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Pal Meir
3 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Quite warmer here and my seedling is speeding up.

Perhaps if it gets more sun it will sooner become pinnate … :unsure:

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dalmatiansoap

Time will tell ;)

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Sanips

it seems it wants to be forever young, like Peter Pan :lol:

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Pal Meir
16 minutes ago, Sanips said:

it seems it wants to be forever young, like Peter Pan :lol:

If the reason is the lack of sunshine they will stay juvenile in all eternity: It is dark and rainy and chilly (13-17°C) these days … :badday:

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Sanips
On 15/6/2016 12:53:10, Pal Meir said:

If the reason is the lack of sunshine they will stay juvenile in all eternity: It is dark and rainy and chilly (13-17°C) these days … :badday:

Here we are suffering the same problem right know. Last week my seedings enjoyed clear sunny days with 35ºC and suddenly, this week, the weather has changed sharply (even it's snowing a little in the surrounding mountains). Summer, come once and for all!

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Pal Meir

I can’t believe it, but it seems so that the leaf #10 will become (at least in the lower half) pinnate:blink: I’ll post a pic when the leaf has grown a bit more, :interesting: but the palm has to struggle with the German »summer« … :bemused:

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Mohsen
26 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

I can’t believe it, but it seems so that the leaf #10 will become (at least in the lower half) pinnate:blink: I’ll post a pic when the leaf has grown a bit more, :interesting: but the palm has to struggle with the German »summer« … :bemused:

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Congrats Pal,

look forward to seeing the pinnate :)

mines are asleep here in winter :( 

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Pal Meir

Here the tips of the first five leaflets: :)

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Kai
2 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Here the tips of the first five leaflets: :)

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Is it finally going pinnate Pal? :yay:

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Pal Meir
3 minutes ago, Kai said:

Is it finally going pinnate Pal? :yay:

Yes, it is! :greenthumb::yay:You can’t see it on the photo, but the marked segments are going pinnate! :drool:

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Mohsen
3 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Here the tips of the first five leaflets: :)

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Beautiful :)

so after how long from germination it is happening ?

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Pal Meir
39 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Beautiful :)

so after how long from germination it is happening ?

This plant N°1401 germinated on 2014-02-14; so I think we may see the 10th leaf completely unfolded in August when it is 2½ year old … :interesting:

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Mohsen
12 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

This plant N°1401 germinated on 2014-02-14; so I think we may see the 10th leaf completely unfolded in August when it is 2½ year old … :interesting:

Thats awsome Pal...

unfortunately only 4 of the hybrid are left now and one of the twins has died :( ...but I have 10 L.Ws and all alive...

one is near to have the 2nd leaf , I think that's bifid and not pinnate ...

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Pal Meir
5 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thats awsome Pal...

unfortunately only 4 of the hybrid are left now and one of the twins has died :( ...but I have 10 L.Ws and all alive...

one is near to have the 2nd leaf , I think that's bifid and not pinnate ...

Your (supposed) hybrids are looking very similar to L insigne. And they seem to be happy! :greenthumb:

I made (once in the past) these statistics for the number of leaflets on the 1st and 2nd leaf of 75>74 L weddellianum seedlings:

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As the pot of the biggest L insigne N°1401 was getting too tight I had too repot it from a 14.8x17.4 cm pot to a stronger 18x18 cm pot, using again my special soil mix for palms growing on rocky slopes.

Pic #1 and #2 show the healthy and strong roots, pic #3 the new home of the palm, pic #4 the components of the mixture and #5 the mixed soil, pic #6 the added mix still dry and #7 watered with water from an Odenwald fountain, and pic #8 the happy palm with its 10th leaf becoming pinnate.

#1 & 2: Healthy roots

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#3: New home

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#4 & 5: Soil mix

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#6 & 7: Repotted

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#8: Healthy & happy :greenthumb::)

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Mohsen

Excellent job Pal...

it looks even healthier in the new pots... Look forward to seeing the pinnate leaf soon :) 

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Pal Meir

Thanks to our splendid German »summer« weather the leaf #8 became bifid: :mrlooney:

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dalmatiansoap

Thanks to Croatian Summer I hope Ill have the next split leaf :)

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Pal Meir
6 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Thanks to Croatian Summer I hope Ill have the next split leaf :)

Your summer is also so stormy and more like April? I thought you had fine weather there in SE Europe … :huh:

Now the palm looks very like a seedling of a coconut with its new »bifid« leaves. :P

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dalmatiansoap

Nope, we have warm and nice summer weather so I believe I will get you in next leaf or two :)

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Pal Meir
2 hours ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Nope, we have warm and nice summer weather so I believe I will get you in next leaf or two :)

This palm sp doesn’t get bifid leaves like cocos; the broad undivided leaf #8 got damaged by storm and became quasi »bifid«. But leaf #10 is now becoming pinnate, at least the lower half.

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Very sloooooowly, but nevertheless constantly one leaflet after another leaflet becoming pinnate: :yay:

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Howeadypsis
On 29/06/2016, 16:19:04, Pal Meir said:

Your (supposed) hybrids are looking very similar to L insigne. And they seem to be happy! :greenthumb:

I made (once in the past) these statistics for the number of leaflets on the 1st and 2nd leaf of 75>74 L weddellianum seedlings:

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65 eophylls? I'm confused. I thought the eophyll was the first leaf after the seed leaf. 

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7 minutes ago, Howeadypsis said:

65 eophylls? I'm confused. I thought the eophyll was the first leaf after the seed leaf. 

Oh noooooooo! The 1st line means »65 palms have an eophyll with only 1 leaflet and 3 palms a 2nd leaf with only one leaflet« and so on …

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Bananengeknl

Insigne in new pot:wub:

 

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Pal Meir
38 minutes ago, Bananengeknl said:

Insigne in new pot:wub:

Looking very happy! :greenthumb::D I didn’t repot the other (remaining 3) palms. — They are suffering this »summer« from chilly nights and strong winds, :rant: last summer they had to sustain 42°C and direct sun …

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Pal Meir

Leaf #10 is becoming more and more pinnate with seven (!) coming leaflets on each side (the blade is at present only 60 cm long): :interesting:

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I can’t wait for the leaf becoming pinnate more quickly (now nine leaflets on each side) … :yay:

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Mohsen
6 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

I can’t wait for the leaf becoming pinnate more quickly (now nine leaflets on each side) … :yay:

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Congrats Pal...

great to see the pinnate at last...

mine trying to have the 2nd bifid...I have a long way to see a pinnate on mines ...

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Pal Meir
On 19.12.2015, 17:08:51, Pal Meir said:

I am waiting that my seedlings will look like this one on a photo taken by @caixeta and posted on an earlier thread: :mellow:

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/30006-are-this-seedlings-from-the-same-species/#comment-719534

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The above photo once posted by Caixeta was mislabeled (I think in São Paulo): It is not L insigne but the L itapebiense (= Syagrus itapebiensis) discovered in 2008 and first described in 2010. L insigne will get much longer leaves and become pinnate at a much later stage as an old photo taken by @Alberto (on 2014-08-01 ?) is documenting; I guess that the 10th leaf of my palm N°1401 will look like the one on the right side:

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33 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Congrats Pal...

great to see the pinnate at last...

mine trying to have the 2nd bifid...I have a long way to see a pinnate on mines ...

Mohsen, I think you mean your coconut which I guess might become pinnate with its 5th or 6th leaf when you can give it more direct sun. I had to wait 2 years and a half with my L insigne:asleep:

 

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