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Lytocaryum: Syagrus insignis vs. S. weddellianum


Pal Meir

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8 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Mohsen, I think you mean your coconut which I guess might become pinnate with its 5th or 6th leaf when you can give it more direct sun. I had to wait 2 years and a half with my L insigne:asleep:

 

Pal,

I meant my L insigne ( or hybrid) which they have only 2 bifids so far 

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8 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Pal,

I meant my L insigne ( or hybrid) which they have only 2 bifids so far 

A normal bifid leaf (= symmetrical to both sides) is very uncommon for Lytocaryum :huh:. Could you post a pic?

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3 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

A normal bifid leaf (= symmetrical to both sides) is very uncommon for Lytocaryum :huh:. Could you post a pic?

Forgive my Confusion about using terms:blush:...I meant simple ( not pinnate) leaves ...

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12 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Forgive my Confusion about using terms:blush:...I meant simple ( not pinnate) leaves ...

I forgive you your simple and not bifid sin :innocent:. — In my table posted before concerning the eophylls and 2nd leaves of L weddellianum I counted one eophyll with »2 leaflets« and two 2nd leaves with »2 leaflets«. Even those »2 leaflets« did not mean »bifid«, but »1 leaflet + 1 undivided rest«.

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7 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Hello from Makarska :)

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Congratulations! :greenthumb::) You have a real summer and so I guess your L insigne will speed up like a rocket. :D

Do you know if it is also the 10th leaf that is getting pinnate?

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On 7.11.2015, 14:52:45, Flow said:

I have bought Lytocaryum insigne seeds twice from RPS.

When I bought the first batch in late 2014, I did some reading here on palmtalk and emailed Pal since I was under the impression he was quite knowledgeable about Lytocaryum. He gave me his soil mixture recipe and some additional tips and as a result all 8 germinated seeds quickly developed their first leaf. They are not very fast but growing nicely. I subesquently gave many away to some EPS members, both from the frist and the second batch and only kept two from the first batch and two from the second.

Soon, I began to realize that the seedlings from the second batch looked different, i.e. they had a pinnate first eophyll. I have come to the conclusion that the second badge were weddelianum. I emailed RPS but got no answer.

The L. insigne on the picture was outside this summer. The other remaining one stayed inside and grew a bit faster but also a bit etiolated.

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Hello @Flow, how are your two Lytos doing? Could you post an update.

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Hi Pal

I am afraid it hasn't grown all that much. I cannot offer it the same professional care as you. I repotted it this spring and added a wee bit more organic matter because I can't water it every day and thought that way the subtrate would hold a bit more water. It doesn't seem to mindfar and looks healthy enough I think. It just isn't very fast.

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34 minutes ago, Flow said:

Hi Pal

I am afraid it hasn't grown all that much. I cannot offer it the same professional care as you. I repotted it this spring and added a wee bit more organic matter because I can't water it every day and thought that way the subtrate would hold a bit more water. It doesn't seem to mindfar and looks healthy enough I think. It just isn't very fast.

cheers

Hello Flow, it’s looking healthy, the growth is a bit slower, that’s all. But what about your L weddellianum? Did it accept the mineral-rich L insigne soil mix?

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The weddeliana did accept it but are slow too and I know they can be much faster, so I am going to have to figure out something there..

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14 hours ago, Flow said:

The weddeliana did accept it but are slow too and I know they can be much faster, so I am going to have to figure out something there..

I am still interested how it looks like. I am trying to grow a couple L weddellianum as small bonsai. Maybe a soil mix without humus could reduce the size. So I would like to see a pic of that L weddellianum: It could be that it has very nice short deep green fronds, I imagine … :indifferent:

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So here's the poor thing. Well, it looks okay but it is tiny and as slow as a slug. I have another one outside which is about the same size and speed. I repotted this one too but with considerably more organic matter than the insignis.DSC_0032_6.thumb.JPG.aedf3c6d4d4695d3f0d

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7 minutes ago, Flow said:

So here's the poor thing. Well, it looks okay but it is tiny and as slow as a slug. I have another one outside which is about the same size and speed. I repotted this one too but with considerably more organic matter than the insignis.

Try to keep it as small bonsai for your (northern) windowsill, I would recommend, … or for your desk-top! :greenthumb:

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@Pal MeirI've received these seeds, can you determine what they are, I've been told they are lytocaryum syagrus itapirense, but im confused :crying:

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21 minutes ago, palmad Merc said:

@Pal MeirI've received these seeds, can you determine what they are, I've been told they are lytocaryum syagrus itapirense, but im confused :crying:

 

S itapebiensis seeds look like these:

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Yours are seeds of S weddelliana or S insignis:

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Doing nicely after all these years, perfect potted specimens. 

I’ve got weddellianum and hoehnei planted out and they are just as well behaved in the garden.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Both beautiful palms! Especially the L/S insigne, on my wish list!

Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

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2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

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