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Lytocaryum: Syagrus insignis vs. S. weddellianum


Pal Meir

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it seems it wants to be forever young, like Peter Pan :lol:

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16 minutes ago, Sanips said:

it seems it wants to be forever young, like Peter Pan :lol:

If the reason is the lack of sunshine they will stay juvenile in all eternity: It is dark and rainy and chilly (13-17°C) these days … :badday:

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On 15/6/2016 12:53:10, Pal Meir said:

If the reason is the lack of sunshine they will stay juvenile in all eternity: It is dark and rainy and chilly (13-17°C) these days … :badday:

Here we are suffering the same problem right know. Last week my seedings enjoyed clear sunny days with 35ºC and suddenly, this week, the weather has changed sharply (even it's snowing a little in the surrounding mountains). Summer, come once and for all!

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I can’t believe it, but it seems so that the leaf #10 will become (at least in the lower half) pinnate:blink: I’ll post a pic when the leaf has grown a bit more, :interesting: but the palm has to struggle with the German »summer« … :bemused:

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26 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

I can’t believe it, but it seems so that the leaf #10 will become (at least in the lower half) pinnate:blink: I’ll post a pic when the leaf has grown a bit more, :interesting: but the palm has to struggle with the German »summer« … :bemused:

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Congrats Pal,

look forward to seeing the pinnate :)

mines are asleep here in winter :( 

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3 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

Here the tips of the first five leaflets: :)

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Beautiful :)

so after how long from germination it is happening ?

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39 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Beautiful :)

so after how long from germination it is happening ?

This plant N°1401 germinated on 2014-02-14; so I think we may see the 10th leaf completely unfolded in August when it is 2½ year old … :interesting:

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12 hours ago, Pal Meir said:

This plant N°1401 germinated on 2014-02-14; so I think we may see the 10th leaf completely unfolded in August when it is 2½ year old … :interesting:

Thats awsome Pal...

unfortunately only 4 of the hybrid are left now and one of the twins has died :( ...but I have 10 L.Ws and all alive...

one is near to have the 2nd leaf , I think that's bifid and not pinnate ...

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5 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thats awsome Pal...

unfortunately only 4 of the hybrid are left now and one of the twins has died :( ...but I have 10 L.Ws and all alive...

one is near to have the 2nd leaf , I think that's bifid and not pinnate ...

Your (supposed) hybrids are looking very similar to L insigne. And they seem to be happy! :greenthumb:

I made (once in the past) these statistics for the number of leaflets on the 1st and 2nd leaf of 75>74 L weddellianum seedlings:

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As the pot of the biggest L insigne N°1401 was getting too tight I had too repot it from a 14.8x17.4 cm pot to a stronger 18x18 cm pot, using again my special soil mix for palms growing on rocky slopes.

Pic #1 and #2 show the healthy and strong roots, pic #3 the new home of the palm, pic #4 the components of the mixture and #5 the mixed soil, pic #6 the added mix still dry and #7 watered with water from an Odenwald fountain, and pic #8 the happy palm with its 10th leaf becoming pinnate.

#1 & 2: Healthy roots

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#3: New home

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#4 & 5: Soil mix

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#6 & 7: Repotted

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#8: Healthy & happy :greenthumb::)

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Excellent job Pal...

it looks even healthier in the new pots... Look forward to seeing the pinnate leaf soon :) 

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6 minutes ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Thanks to Croatian Summer I hope Ill have the next split leaf :)

Your summer is also so stormy and more like April? I thought you had fine weather there in SE Europe … :huh:

Now the palm looks very like a seedling of a coconut with its new »bifid« leaves. :P

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Nope, we have warm and nice summer weather so I believe I will get you in next leaf or two :)

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2 hours ago, dalmatiansoap said:

Nope, we have warm and nice summer weather so I believe I will get you in next leaf or two :)

This palm sp doesn’t get bifid leaves like cocos; the broad undivided leaf #8 got damaged by storm and became quasi »bifid«. But leaf #10 is now becoming pinnate, at least the lower half.

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On 29/06/2016, 16:19:04, Pal Meir said:

Your (supposed) hybrids are looking very similar to L insigne. And they seem to be happy! :greenthumb:

I made (once in the past) these statistics for the number of leaflets on the 1st and 2nd leaf of 75>74 L weddellianum seedlings:

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65 eophylls? I'm confused. I thought the eophyll was the first leaf after the seed leaf. 

Larry Shone in wet and sunny north-east England!  Zone9 ish

Tie two fish together and though they have two tails they cannot swim <>< ><>

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7 minutes ago, Howeadypsis said:

65 eophylls? I'm confused. I thought the eophyll was the first leaf after the seed leaf. 

Oh noooooooo! The 1st line means »65 palms have an eophyll with only 1 leaflet and 3 palms a 2nd leaf with only one leaflet« and so on …

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38 minutes ago, Bananengeknl said:

Insigne in new pot:wub:

Looking very happy! :greenthumb::D I didn’t repot the other (remaining 3) palms. — They are suffering this »summer« from chilly nights and strong winds, :rant: last summer they had to sustain 42°C and direct sun …

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6 minutes ago, Pal Meir said:

I can’t wait for the leaf becoming pinnate more quickly (now nine leaflets on each side) … :yay:

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Congrats Pal...

great to see the pinnate at last...

mine trying to have the 2nd bifid...I have a long way to see a pinnate on mines ...

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On 19.12.2015, 17:08:51, Pal Meir said:

I am waiting that my seedlings will look like this one on a photo taken by @caixeta and posted on an earlier thread: :mellow:

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The above photo once posted by Caixeta was mislabeled (I think in São Paulo): It is not L insigne but the L itapebiense (= Syagrus itapebiensis) discovered in 2008 and first described in 2010. L insigne will get much longer leaves and become pinnate at a much later stage as an old photo taken by @Alberto (on 2014-08-01 ?) is documenting; I guess that the 10th leaf of my palm N°1401 will look like the one on the right side:

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33 minutes ago, Mohsen said:

Congrats Pal...

great to see the pinnate at last...

mine trying to have the 2nd bifid...I have a long way to see a pinnate on mines ...

Mohsen, I think you mean your coconut which I guess might become pinnate with its 5th or 6th leaf when you can give it more direct sun. I had to wait 2 years and a half with my L insigne:asleep:

 

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