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"Holy Grail" palms by region.................................


trioderob

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this thread is about the "holy grail " of palms but the catch is that its by region

so in other words the ultimate rare palm that is viable long term in your area.

so it will be different in Hawaii than it is for Cali

it will be different for Florida than it is for the true equatorial tropics 

now there are no absolutes but common sense states that if you can grow a vibrant "double coconut" is going to be way up on the list.

now to kick it off - for southern California its the Coperncia species - more spefically  the copernicia fallensis

this is a spectacular palm which can survive long term in Cali and was rarely planted

your turn...................

 

 

 

 

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Copernicia glabrescens.....

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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Geonoma undata,

Disclaimer, the leafbase color is not so intense in the last few years, as the palm has grown taller.

 

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San Francisco, California

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Whom Arthur and his knighthood called The Pure,
Had passed into the silent life of prayer,
Praise, fast, and alms; and leaving for the cowl
The helmet in an abbey far away
From Camelot, there, and not long after, died "

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Cool thread! I'd say it's Beccariophoenix alfredii for my current location. 

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Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Copernicia rigida. Saw them in Cuba, fell  in love. Unavailable here but I just bought seeds from RPS a couple months ago. We'll see.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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I do not have one yet but I would say a Tahina spectabilis. I am looking for one, and will have it one day hopefully.

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Lived in Cape Coral, Miami, Orlando and St. Petersburg Florida.

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Probably for me.....Copernicia cowellii.

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Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

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I have a tough time answering this one as "holy grail" palm is defined, since generally any palm that can be easily grown here does not seem that special to me.  But then I like tropical palms, and basically all of these are either marginal or way too cold sensitive for my location.  Bismarcks are really nice and I am always impressed when I see Archontophoenix cunninghamiana.

I was going to say a really fat well-grown royal or a tall coconut with a full crown, but then coconuts are not fully cold hardy here and royals are technically marginal in this area.  I think royals can qualify though, so that will be my answer.

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I really do not have issues with my climate.With two distinct gardens I can theoretically grow just about any palm.My problem here is lack of availability.I have to grow everything from seed so probably a very slow growing palm like Copernicia baileyana with a few feet of trunk would be my holy grail palm for my beach garden.

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El Oasis - beach garden, distinct wet/dry season ,year round 20-38c

Las Heliconias - jungle garden ,800m elevation,150+ inches rainfall, year round 15-28c

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Dypsis Black Stem!

(had to do it before Moose pays a visit here)    :mrlooney:

 

Glad you got it out of the way right from the get go

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I have a tough time answering this one as "holy grail" palm is defined, since generally any palm that can be easily grown here does not seem that special to me.  But then I like tropical palms, and basically all of these are either marginal or way too cold sensitive for my location.  Bismarcks are really nice and I am always impressed when I see Archontophoenix cunninghamiana.

I was going to say a really fat well-grown royal or a tall coconut with a full crown, but then coconuts are not fully cold hardy here and royals are technically marginal in this area.  I think royals can qualify though, so that will be my answer.

well there are palms that are easily grown  but just were not planted  - copernicia and dypsis grow here but nobody brought them in during the olden times so there are very few huge ones

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Already have my holy grail palm, this one will do fine.

 

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Already have my holy grail palm, this one will do fine.

 

Definitely the holy grail of all the fan palms that can be grown here. 

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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In the srilankan climate but outside the official botanic gardens,

It means: in Doranakanda gardens and other srilankan palm-addict's : Lodoicea maldivica :)

It should grow like weeds in the jungle if only we were lucky to get seeds.

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

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In the srilankan climate but outside the official botanic gardens,

It means: in Doranakanda gardens and other srilankan palm-addict's : Lodoicea maldivica :)

It should grow like weeds in the jungle if only we were lucky to get seeds.

When I saw the topic, Lodoicea immediately came to mind, but when I saw that Philippe had posted, I knew he had beaten me to it. - gmp

Hawaii

 

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Here probably any royal. Small are very sensitive but bigger ones may prove very reliable. Problem is that we don't have big ones for sale. If I wanted however to be more generous, I would say any crownshafted palm...

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In the srilankan climate but outside the official botanic gardens,

It means: in Doranakanda gardens and other srilankan palm-addict's : Lodoicea maldivica :)

It should grow like weeds in the jungle if only we were lucky to get seeds.

When I saw the topic, Lodoicea immediately came to mind, but when I saw that Philippe had posted, I knew he had beaten me to it. - gmp

Hawaii

 

Lodoicea maldivica.jpg

George,

Are these beauties growing in your garden? 

I am sure that srilankan gardens would be fine for Lodoicea, but:……..

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

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Philippe,

 

This is one of three Lodoicea maldivica that I planted in my old garden here in Leilani Estates in November 1999. (Thanks George for posting photo! :) ).

 

Bo-Göran

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Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Any JxS or a mature Jubaea or Trithrinax Campestris with several feet of trunk.

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Philippe,

 

This is one of three Lodoicea maldivica that I planted in my old garden here in Leilani Estates in November 1999. (Thanks George for posting photo! :) ).

 

Bo-Göran

Since long time (of my life with Palmtalk) I believe hawaiian gardens are the most lucky places for palm collections.
You know 
already how deeply jealous I am. :)

BTW: did you start with a seed or a seedling? (is that possible?)

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

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Bactris pickelii, probably the most incredibly velvet leafed palm of all. A relic of very few remaining individuais, from sugarcane almost swalloed Northeast Brazil Atlantic coastal forest. A slow growing gem, usually under darker canopies and usually entire leafed in early stages

I showed Al in Kona a couple small seedlings a few weeks ago, during his visit and he was surprised to the palm blade nice touch, especially under the leaf. I'll post a picture of my seedling soon, in case Al could also post some images he took.

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Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

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Philippe,

 

This is one of three Lodoicea maldivica that I planted in my old garden here in Leilani Estates in November 1999. (Thanks George for posting photo! :) ).

 

Bo-Göran

The picture was taken in Spring 2009, so it gives you an idea of how slow these can be - even in Hawaii - gmp

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Philippe,

De Armand Hull (of Miami, at the time) was in Seychelles in September 1999 and acquired a number of Lodoicea seeds and had them shipped back to the USA. I was fortunate to acquire three seeds and received them in Nov 1999 and planted them right away. If I recall correctly, the first one to germinate did so in about nine months. And in other words - all three seeds germinated.

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Philippe,

De Armand Hull (of Miami, at the time) was in Seychelles in September 1999 and acquired a number of Lodoicea seeds and had them shipped back to the USA. I was fortunate to acquire three seeds and received them in Nov 1999 and planted them right away. If I recall correctly, the first one to germinate did so in about nine months. And in other words - all three seeds germinated.

Bo-Göran

Thanks for explanations, here some pictures in Peradeniya which should remind you the youth of your Lodoicea:

So many seeds in Peradeniya, so many juvenile palms there!

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Philippe

 

Jungle Paradise in Sri Lanka

 

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Just ONE Holy Grail Palm?

How does one define one? As something that makes normal people as well as palm nuts swoon? As something very hard to come by? Or a combination of both, perhaps along with other traits others might suggest?

For starters, Teddy Bears and Tri-Bears. Those colors, that fuzz, that bold shape in the landscape. Common, sort of but everyone loves to look at them.

Hmm. I'll offer a Holy Grail Complex: The large Dypsis, including Mealy Bug, Dark Mealy Bug, Prestoniana, Carlsmithii. Truly great specimens are tough to find here in Cali.

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here is a crazy idea but maybe just maybe a large adult Marojejya darianii would servive a transplant in Cali

 

am i nutz ????

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Gotta be Pritchardia Viscosa for me

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That would certainly be [yet another] candidate here, too! :yay:

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Dypsis Black Stem!

(had to do it before Moose pays a visit here)    :mrlooney:

 

Glad you got it out of the way right from the get go

So rain on my parade, why not. <_<

I gotta say the Crytostachys hybrid for those in Palm Beach county on up to the I-4 corridor line in Florida.

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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Gotta be Pritchardia Viscosa for me

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Nice! Too bad they're so hard to come by. Hopefully the few that are in private gardens start seeding soon so more people can try this species out. 

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Bactris pickelii, probably the most incredibly velvet leafed palm of all. A relic of very few remaining individuais, from sugarcane almost swalloed Northeast Brazil Atlantic coastal forest. A slow growing gem, usually under darker canopies and usually entire leafed in early stages

I showed Al in Kona a couple small seedlings a few weeks ago, during his visit and he was surprised to the palm blade nice touch, especially under the leaf. I'll post a picture of my seedling soon, in case Al could also post some images he took.

Very interesting.

It gets pretty cold here, so I'll just say I'd like to grow a Jubaea chilensis. I think it would be a showstopper.

Woodville, FL

zone 8b

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