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Jubaea X Butia F3 growth in SE NC

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Vic
27 minutes ago, petrppetrov said:

Hi Vic,

beautiful palm with nice color .

Can you name for me the Trachycarpus species on the left,magnificent plant.

 

The Trachycarpus to the left of the hybrid is latisectus

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Palmensammler

Hi Vic,

truly a very nice plant. I love the hybrids with Jubaea, Butia and especially Syagrus. But it's hard to find seeds or seedlings in Europe.

You have to be lucky for such a beautiful plant.

Eckhard

 

 

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Joe NC

Not looking so hot.  95% brown (at least)

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Lost another emerging frond....  I'm hitting it with the H202, and hoping it will manage to push out some leaves.  With the slow growth of this plant, it will look a little sad for a while if it pulls through...  Might be a fresh spot open this year.

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frienduvafrond

Any updates on this?  I am hopeful for the cocosoid hybrids in this area.

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Joe NC
On 4/15/2018, 6:54:20, frienduvafrond said:

Any updates on this?  I am hopeful for the cocosoid hybrids in this area.

No signs of growth yet, but still has a little bit of green in a frond or two.  I have gone through a few bottles of H202, and there is no funk coming from the hole where the newest fronds used to be...  Even my large Butia looks awful and hasn't pushed any new growth according the sharpie lines I drew on the spear. 

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Turtlesteve

Hope it pulls through for you, but no growth by April seems like a bad sign.  Most of my Butia and Trachycarpus ended up with major spear damage, but have pushed about 3-4" so far despite the cool spring weather.

Steve

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Joe NC

I started in with some trunk cutting, because it wasn't looking promising.  I'm pretty sure the meristem is toast, well more like a gross white soup.  RIPIMAG0765.thumb.jpg.36c23ccfdf755c293fb3d 

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Ninja88
7 hours ago, Joe NC said:

I started in with some trunk cutting, because it wasn't looking promising.  I'm pretty sure the meristem is toast, well more like a gross white soup.  RIPIMAG0765.thumb.jpg.36c23ccfdf755c293fb3d 

I'm sorry to hear that. What a terrible Winter for everyone. RIP

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Brad Mondel

I guess we’ll be switching to junipers and boxwoods. :sick:

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Joe NC
On 5/7/2018, 9:30:09, Brad Mondel said:

I guess we’ll be switching to junipers and boxwoods. :sick:

My nightmares are filled with Knockout roses and Bradford pears.  Even worse are all the smug people who tell me "palms don't belong here anyway".  I usually respond with something about Asian azaleas and crape myrtles, vs two Sabal species actually being native.  Every time one of my pinnate experiments fails, my trachycarpus army just grows larger.  I'm up to 18 in the ground with many more new recruits growing from seed.

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mdsonofthesouth
On 5/9/2018, 8:00:26, Joe NC said:

My nightmares are filled with Knockout roses and Bradford pears.  Even worse are all the smug people who tell me "palms don't belong here anyway".  I usually respond with something about Asian azaleas and crape myrtles, vs two Sabal species actually being native.  Every time one of my pinnate experiments fails, my trachycarpus army just grows larger.  I'm up to 18 in the ground with many more new recruits growing from seed.

This statement kills me everytime! Even got it bad from a local nursery and she even called me a bold face liar til I showed her pictures and she then called me crazy and walked away. Anyways sorry to hear about your palm.

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swolf

I know we don't always get to choose our geography -- the reality of jobs, family, etc. may locate us in a less than ideal growing zone.  But in terms of Georgia and South Carolina and parts of North Carolina, when I studies the weather records it seems the 'Fall Line' cities are very capable of sustaining the cold hardy pinnate palms (Jubaea x Butia under discussion).  It's not that points north and west can't work but then at least being on the southeast side of 'urban heat' and or micro-climate protections may be required for long-term survival.  My 2 cents...

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RJ

Joe how did the   (BxJ)xJ do?

-RJ

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Joe NC
On 7/20/2018, 5:59:26, RJ said:

Joe how did the   (BxJ)xJ do?

-RJ

Toast.  A heavy warm summer rain did that one in the second I planted it in the ground.  It did not like losing the perfect drainage the pot provided.  I even pulled it out and repotted, but it just lingerd without a spear until all the remaining outer leaves slowly died.  

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Anthony_B

Sorry for your loss.  I'm trying a Canary Island Date Palm next year.  I've been growing it out from a single spear I bought on eBay in March 2017, and it is now completely filling out a 7 gallon container (6.24 gallons to be exact).  The CIDP at the Checkers is looking pretty good these days and handled that single digit freeze.  I think my CIDP will be ready for the ground in April 2019.

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Brad Mondel
On 1/23/2018 at 2:23 PM, Joe NC said:

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Looking really crispy and finally had spear pull.  It lost 4 of the newest emerging leaves.  With that kind of loss, and it's relatively slow growth, it will be lucky to push 2 or three full leaves this year if it recovers.

Did it survive?

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climate change virginia

Where can I get JxB seeds?

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Joe NC
On 11/15/2020 at 12:36 AM, Brad Mondel said:

Did it survive?

Nope!

I ended up cutting and giving it h202 but had no luck.  All of the meristem was just pudding.

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Joe NC
On 11/15/2020 at 9:23 PM, climate change virginia said:

Where can I get JxB seeds?

I bought some F2 from RPS in oct 2015.  Dosen't  look like they have any in stock at the moment.  I bought a small packet and only had one germinate in the spring of 2016.  It was eaten to nothing by a huge grashopper and died.  I let the other seeds sit in a pot until 2018 when I finally gave up on them and planted some other stuff in there.  I completely forgot about the seeds until this summer when I had 2 more germinate!  I actually dug them up to confirm that the sprout was coming from the unmistakably  large seed.

If you do find seeds, patience is key....

Also there are some threads around about cracking them open and germinating the naked kernel.  I usually just get moldy seeds as the result...

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BXJ F2 5 years after planting the seed....

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climate change virginia
7 minutes ago, Joe NC said:

I bought some F2 from RPS in oct 2015.  Dosen't  look like they have any in stock at the moment.  I bought a small packet and only had one germinate in the spring of 2016.  It was eaten to nothing by a huge grashopper and died.  I let the other seeds sit in a pot until 2018 when I finally gave up on them and planted some other stuff in there.  I completely forgot about the seeds until this summer when I had 2 more germinate!  I actually dug them up to confirm that the sprout was coming from the unmistakably  large seed.

If you do find seeds, patience is key....

Also there are some threads around about cracking them open and germinating the naked kernel.  I usually just get moldy seeds as the result...

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BXJ F2 5 years after planting the seed....

that grows slow did you happen to not repot it after you see roots at the bottom of the pot was it neglected

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Joe NC
2 hours ago, climate change virginia said:

that grows slow did you happen to not repot it after you see roots at the bottom of the pot was it neglected

I would think we are still years away from having roots growing out of the pot as a problem...  For most of the 5 years this thing sat as a seed in the dirt, and the two leaves you see are just from 2020 (I'd say average to above amount for a Butia seedling in one growing season?)

The point of my post is, they can take years to even germinate.  (so don't give up on them too soon).  Also maybe look into the seed cracking method.

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climate change virginia
9 minutes ago, Joe NC said:

I would think we are still years away from having roots growing out of the pot as a problem...  For most of the 5 years this thing sat as a seed in the dirt, and the two leaves you see are just from 2020 (I'd say average to above amount for a Butia seedling in one growing season?)

The point of my post is, they can take years to even germinate.  (so don't give up on them too soon).  Also maybe look into the seed cracking method.

the cracking method is good and you could germinate them in long fiber orchid moss on a heat mat then pot them up

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SailorBold

Here's my JxB f3.... it was cut back pretty good in mid summer...  while not my fastest palm.. I still would consider it a pretty quick grower. 

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climate change virginia
On 5/14/2018 at 1:57 PM, swolf said:

I know we don't always get to choose our geography -- the reality of jobs, family, etc. may locate us in a less than ideal growing zone.  But in terms of Georgia and South Carolina and parts of North Carolina, when I studies the weather records it seems the 'Fall Line' cities are very capable of sustaining the cold hardy pinnate palms (Jubaea x Butia under discussion).  It's not that points north and west can't work but then at least being on the southeast side of 'urban heat' and or micro-climate protections may be required for long-term survival.  My 2 cents...

fall_line.jpg

I live right on the potomac which is on the fall line but no pinnate palm could survive where I live without at least burlap then frost cloth then a tarp and if we get a cold blast we have to use xmas lights

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climate change virginia
On 7/27/2018 at 11:45 PM, Joe NC said:

Toast.  A heavy warm summer rain did that one in the second I planted it in the ground.  It did not like losing the perfect drainage the pot provided.  I even pulled it out and repotted, but it just lingerd without a spear until all the remaining outer leaves slowly died.  

maybe a jubaea x butia x butia would do better (if thats a thing) butias should be fine with humidity

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climate change virginia
On 5/9/2018 at 8:00 AM, Joe NC said:

My nightmares are filled with Knockout roses and Bradford pears.  Even worse are all the smug people who tell me "palms don't belong here anyway".  I usually respond with something about Asian azaleas and crape myrtles, vs two Sabal species actually being native.  Every time one of my pinnate experiments fails, my trachycarpus army just grows larger.  I'm up to 18 in the ground with many more new recruits growing from seed.

say something like most of the palms in LA are imported from all over the world they only have one native palm species versus north carolina you have sabal palmettos and sabal minors that are native there

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