Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Zac thanks for the comments and still iam unable to have good germination rate for the washy.filirera's sorry man for replying so late.since your a close buddy,so thought of using this reply to bump up this thread.. Love, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Dear KamiPalms thanks man,iam very glad you took time to added your tips & trick for a better germination.. and hope more guys like you will join this thread to help all who are not proffesionals in this field. and kami i must say even i boil the medium before using it, but i did not mention it,since some may overdo it.and hurt themselves in this process.and if you see my baggie bags they have given moisture,watch it closely you will see that Even i rarely use chemical,since the air is freash and hot,except in winters which is a small period of 1 & half months only(usually our rainy season is considered cooler months Thanks a lot kami, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 on earlier stills you would have seen me put 3 germinated seeds in 3 old terracota pots. of which yesterday one is putting out sprouting spear... and here is a still of it _ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 a close-up of the above still itself ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 this one is orange birds of paradise_once they get germinated in the baggie bag its gently shifted to indugual pots or mineral water bottles.here is a still _ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 this on is Butia which is around 3 months old... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Okay then,todays topic for explaination is Sabal Palmetto or more popularly called as cabagge palms,common to floridia coast ! lets see the step by step procedure that i follow once the seed is germinated within the baggie.i believe in visuals than notes... here we will start form stage one_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Here is a still which shows that the roots have mingled and are screaning for a new indugual containers... yes yes i understand what to do now ! i will give you visuals on that procedure too ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 the baggie with lots of sprouts & root mingles need to be cut open ! lets see how its done ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 after that vertical & horizontal cuttinf procedure_this how it will look_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 now gently try to spread it out,if not possible.don't worry just put the entire mass minus the plastic bag into a bucket of water(kindly use water of room temperature, and also refrain from using fungicide or any root trainers to these young sprouts)_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 now spread these sprouts on a plate and meanwhile get all the other needed stuffs ready_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now lets get our soil ready_this contains washed river sand, some red sand some coil dust_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now lets get our containers ready_in my case i apted for plastic mineral water bottles,just to keep the cost down ! these bottles were prepared with drain holes at the bottom, its has now about 4 to 5 holes to fecilitate easy sweepage of excess water_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now label the bottles with a water proof marker pen_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now gently take the new sprouts indugually and place it in indugual containers one by one.but please do this process with atmost care ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now after placing the young once in the container and also filling gently with the soil shown in previous still. and start watering the containers with a tea kettle or any specilised watering tools that you have.but check that all air locks and spaces gets filled with the soil inside the bottle, this can be easily done since out bottles are see through ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Now to ariel shots of the same_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 i know you want to ask now is what to do with the medium in this case its Sphyngum moss_Damp off ! and all those non germinated seeds that are in the medium or in the bucket of water that we used to seperate the sprouts. all you need to do is take that need baggie cover and refill the medium with along the non germinated seeds.and kindly write as to what seeds are they.todays date and number of seeds that are once again reused in this baggie.and once again keep this pouch in that very same location in that warm dark room or germinating tray or bed. and wait...in my future still i will show how even those reused seeds have also germinated.so never throw them or take them lightly.all they need is some time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Dear Folks ! i hope you enjoyed listening to me as much as i enjoyed telling you how we did it again until we meet with some new varities of seeds germination, its bye from Kris & his associates,and have a good night sleep with lots of palms in them.. Lots of love, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 now to some more stills of the reused seeds which sprouted after a week_yes the same sabal palmetto lot that i explained in the above discussion ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Now lets see the root section grouth down below in the bag ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Now to bismarkia silver forum seeds that were reused oce again.and mind you as long as the seeds dont rot or float there are 75% chance of survival.so dont throw away the seeds in garbage_Please ! here are few stills of it_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 now to a arieal shot of this baggie bag_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamipalms 10 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Well done Kris! One pointer I would suggest is to completely remove the Coir from the seedling roots before potting on ( post # 56). I've found if too much is left, the young root zone stays too wet and you know what this can cause......... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Jason in post 57 the medium attached to the roots are sphangum moss_damp-off ! from U.S.and after even dipping in the bucket of water that material kept sticking.so i felt their is no need to stress those babies any further.. but iam very happy about your suggestion on my work.iam a person who take in any suggestions & critisium,since it helps to grow and avoid repeating the mistakes again. and i request other members too to share your thoughts,and correct me if iam wrong.since iam preety open to changes.. Once again Jason thanks man ! Love, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyinNY 7 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Kris, Excellent tutorial... I have had absolutely NO luck trying to germinate seeds at all... but then again all I did was put them in a small pot like I would tomatoes and expect them to sprout on the windowsill. I have a ton of Roebelleni seeds that I tried to sprout several times - but nothing.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Bobby thanks for your comments.even i did exactly the same as you mentioned for palm seeds germination before becoming a memeber in this fentastic forum. but one advantage that i have here is the climate,so i do not use any heaters or thermal beds etc. The first floor in our house get really hot and all i have to do is put some fresh seeds into a baggie or container with moist coir dust or spanghyam moss form canada_popularly sold as DAMP-OFF ! and leave those seeds air tight in that dark hot room.every 3 weeks_bang.. some babies just pop-up ! Bobby dont give up heart_just try it again.i initally rotted lots of seeds.since i did not know how to proceed. now you have me to help you out,then whats the problem buddy.let's give it a try. Thanks & Love, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Folks i want to bring in some correction regarding using of water bottles ! and one respected friend in this forum_Mr.Steve from So Cal pointed out the difficulty one will be put throught in using mineral water bottles.but this method works for me in india because its really hot and in just 3 to 4 months in full sunshine the plastic bottles disintegrate or fragmatise like a egg shell.but this will not be the case for people living in cooler regions of the world.. So here is beautiful link on seedling pots & Containers,the useful thread was started by Mr.Sol_(nomolos). http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...t=ST;f=1;t=4872 here there are some of the finiest plastic containers links avaliable_they are... http://www.stuewe.com/ http://www.gardencityplastics.com/propagation.htm the above two sites were introduced by _ Palmtrafficante,Nomolos & Phil.. Thanks Guys,since information without proper seedling pots & containers will totally make this thread a useless one ! And Dear Steve thanks for timely correction... Love, Kris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Folks ! here are some seedling containers that i have,just few i have but very rarely used.i got these along with few young palms so i actually did not buy it.as those items are avaliable here here are the stills_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 this one is with my assistant holding the same sized container for you guys to emagine the size ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Folks in the earlier post i had shown a bismarkia's new sprout but i over looked in giving it proper protection from the Squrieals attacks are quite common.here you will see that i have closed the mouth of the pot with steel mesh avaliable in all construction material shop_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 another still one of the same pot ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Lets see some of the young sprouts in various sabal Sp_ the first one we are seeing here is my favouriate amoung all the sabal's_its SABAL RIVERSIDE.. Just look at the site of its balde,its hardly 3 months old.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Now lets see the sabal palmetto sprouts_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Now to sabal Mexican_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Here in the above stills you see yellow colored powder,its contact based fungicide based on broadspectrum.and do not use copper or sulphur based fungicide since it can be too hot to handle for these young ones ! here is a still of that fungicide_it has the details in them.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Now lets see the bismarkia silver seeds that has germinated, these are old seeds that have germinated quite late.but sleeping as those dead.these guys germinated at room temperatures at around 87 to 91 degree farenheat.. they have germinated through the REUSE Method ! here are the still and also what i have done to those babies in stills to come_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 now as i have told you on previous occasions that take a deep pot or container.plug the drain holes using net like filters,small pebbles or like me coco fiber.and them fill it with soil.here for a change i have used washed river sand and as the layer on the top is sand mixed with coco dust, since its hot around here so for the sake of moisture retention i have added some coco peat like material to the top soil of the pot. but while the filling process please be gentle,if not the root will get damaged ! Now to some visuals of this bizie lady seeds placing into the deep rooting pots or containers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,360 Report post Posted April 14, 2007 Now applying some contact based fungicide to the finished pot_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites