Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Lol! Yeah its just a "cocoNOT" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeeth 2,197 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Attalea are still fairly rare in California, aren't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Attalea are still fairly rare in California, aren't they? Yeah they are rare. And I think this one might be more rare because it didn't look like Attalea Cohune. But I dont know for sure. It just looked different to me and has a brighter green color to it. I was just trying to make a funny by saying its just a "regular ol attalea" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh-O 2,608 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Attalea Cohune are not common at all. The seed are a nightmare to germinate. The one in your picture Danny is very old for California standards.I have one a couple feet smaller in the "Vista" garden and it nearly 15 yrs old. that's pretty darn slow for a small palm. I would highly recommend you growing this for your garden. They are a home run palm for the desert.Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Attalea Cohune are not common at all. The seed are a nightmare to germinate. The one in your picture Danny is very old for California standards.I have one a couple feet smaller in the "Vista" garden and it nearly 15 yrs old. that's pretty darn slow for a small palm. I would highly recommend you growing this for your garden. They are a home run palm for the desert.CheersYeah Attaleas are definitely not common at all. But from what I was told and what I have seen online Attalea Cohune is the most common. And the easiest to find. I bought a 15g size and it wasn't cheap. I was also able to buy a baby Attalea along with the purchase of the big one. It so cute!Yeah Josh I think they are a real homerun for the desert. They seem to like the heat. I've been watering them a lot and they like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 7,976 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 Attaleas are a tough grow for us on the Coast . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh-O 2,608 Report post Posted October 9, 2015 when they get big they are sure worth the wait. here is a picture of mine. it's about 8' tall 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted October 10, 2015 when they get big they are sure worth the wait. here is a picture of mine. it's about 8' tallWhat size container was it growing in before planting? 20g? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilo Jason 3,033 Report post Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Since you guys are posting about Attalea I thought I would post a picture of mine. I bought this in July 2010 as Attalea Geraensis as a small 7 gallon plant. This picture is from May of this year (I'm not home to take an updated one) and it was over 13 feet tall and growing quite a bit with each new leaf. This has seen temperatures between 29 and 110 and has never spotted from cold or heat. PS. It's not actually as close to that back fence as it appears in the picture! Edited October 10, 2015 by Fallbrook Jason 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh-O 2,608 Report post Posted October 10, 2015 Since you guys are posting about Attalea I thought I would post a picture of mine. I bought this in July 2010 as Attalea Geraensis as a small 7 gallon plant. This picture is from May of this year (I'm not home to take an updated one) and it was over 13 feet tall and growing quite a bit with each new leaf. This has seen temperatures between 29 and 110 and has never spotted from cold or heat. PS. It's not actually as close to that back fence as it appears in the picture! perfectly grown might I say 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted October 11, 2015 Since you guys are posting about Attalea I thought I would post a picture of mine. I bought this in July 2010 as Attalea Geraensis as a small 7 gallon plant. This picture is from May of this year (I'm not home to take an updated one) and it was over 13 feet tall and growing quite a bit with each new leaf. This has seen temperatures between 29 and 110 and has never spotted from cold or heat. PS. It's not actually as close to that back fence as it appears in the picture! Looks great. I love it. It's so different from other attaleas. If you click on the image to enlarge it just looks even better! So joocy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pando 4,538 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Doesn't this one in La Quinta look interesting?https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6767357,-116.3089495,3a,15.2y,253.43h,84.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKtWV71PEy_6ZnqnQx2yoqA!2e0!5s20120101T000000!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1Hard to see this in all the blurriness, but perhaps Danny could drive by - coconut or coconot? Whatever it is, it's slow, because from 2007-2012 streetview images it hasn't grow much. The leaves look kind of flat though, so maybe it's Ravenea rivularis? Edited October 30, 2015 by Pando Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Chance 669 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 Since you guys are posting about Attalea I thought I would post a picture of mine. I bought this in July 2010 as Attalea Geraensis as a small 7 gallon plant. This picture is from May of this year (I'm not home to take an updated one) and it was over 13 feet tall and growing quite a bit with each new leaf. This has seen temperatures between 29 and 110 and has never spotted from cold or heat. PS. It's not actually as close to that back fence as it appears in the picture! I just realized I have a picture of this Attalea! This thing is getting massive! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Chance 669 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 Doesn't this one in La Quinta look interesting?https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6767357,-116.3089495,3a,15.2y,253.43h,84.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKtWV71PEy_6ZnqnQx2yoqA!2e0!5s20120101T000000!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1Hard to see this in all the blurriness, but perhaps Danny could drive by - coconut or coconot? Whatever it is, it's slow, because from 2007-2012 streetview images it hasn't grow much. The leaves look kind of flat though, so maybe it's Ravenea rivularis?hard to tell but looking at different angles it could be Ravnaea. It looks yellow and unhappy that's for sure. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh-O 2,608 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 ravenea rivularis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilo Jason 3,033 Report post Posted October 30, 2015 Since you guys are posting about Attalea I thought I would post a picture of mine. I bought this in July 2010 as Attalea Geraensis as a small 7 gallon plant. This picture is from May of this year (I'm not home to take an updated one) and it was over 13 feet tall and growing quite a bit with each new leaf. This has seen temperatures between 29 and 110 and has never spotted from cold or heat. PS. It's not actually as close to that back fence as it appears in the picture! I just realized I have a picture of this Attalea! This thing is getting massive!cool, thanks Chris. I'm looking forward to finally being home and seeing my yard in a couple weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew92 859 Report post Posted October 31, 2015 lol... all this coco in California business... Getting queens to grow in the FL Panhandle would be the equivalent. When I was a new palm enthusiast several years ago I would scout out neighborhoods and watch for them. So many newly planted ones died on their first or second winter. Was uber-thrilled spotting a fully mature queen in someone's backyard in a neighborhood that was a slight microclimate. That thrill of excitement discovering something so rare was unforgettable (much like your Palm Desert coco) It was so gorgeous and might as well have been a coconut- it looked SO TROPICAL with rich, green, drooping fronds looming about 25 feet above the landscape of mundane, typical zone 8 vegetation. I held my breath when we had a freeze in the low 20's, and while smaller one's died, I was amazed this one looked untouched. I speculated if it was a more cold hardy strain. I looked for it everytime we drove by. It even pulled through the 2010 freeze during which it must have endured around 20 degrees. Unfortunately, the polar vortex winter in 2014 killed it- although by that time I wasn't driving by it anymore. I recently confirmed its death on Google Streetview. It was one healthy and vigorous sucker. Soon (and when I can post pictures) I will include pictures in another blog post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danilopez89 650 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 Why does it look so coconutty? What is it? I've been driving by here for years now and today was the first time I realized it wasn't a regular queen palm 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Zeeth 2,197 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 Looks like a mule! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Chance 669 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 I was about to say it looks like a mule. Nice looking too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 7,976 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 JYA! MULE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma99 546 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) So what the consensus on how cool hardy a coconut is. If I have repeated lows in the low 40s will they croak? Let's say 42F at night, 60F during the day Edited November 9, 2015 by enigma99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 309 Report post Posted July 7, 2017 Are these mature coconut trees growing in Dana Point, California? (See photo below) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigma99 546 Report post Posted July 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Sandy Loam said: Are these mature coconut trees growing in Dana Point, California? (See photo below) Looks like archontophoenix to me? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 309 Report post Posted July 8, 2017 Oh yeah, if I strain my eyes, I might be able to see a crownshaft on those trees. My mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bubba 1,133 Report post Posted November 22, 2017 Reviewing weather underground La Quinta, California temperatures for January 2007 I found the following: (1)-12 days with low temperatures below freezing;and (2)- from January 11, 2007 to January 21, 2007 the maximum and minimum temperatures were as follows: 69/35, 55/27,52/25,52/18,59/20,64/26,60/17,69/33,58/34,57/27,64/30; and (3)- while there is no doubt that the winter of 2007 was extremely cold, the remainder of low temperatures continued in the high 30s and low 40s throughout the month. No area in Florida could successfully grow coconut palms with temperatures of this nature. I recall that the La Quinta coconut was butchered but it’s trunk was mature at the time of the pictures in 2015. Perhaps that coconut was a mature palm that was replanted in La Quinta. The other palms pictured were far less mature but appeared to be surviving but perhaps not thriving by Florida standards. To my knowledge, the desert region has not experienced similar cold compared to the 2007 arctic incursion recently. That stated, successive lows in the low 20s and teens or simply not conducive to long-term Cocos nucifera culture. It seems most likely to me that the most likely areas for long-term success with Cocos nucifera would be not so much in the desert but rather in those areas with heat close but outside the marine influence where the Newport Beach coconut survived for many years. Just my two cents but the temperatures experienced with low 20 and 18 and 17 degree nights could never allow survival long-term in that climate, microclimates notwithstanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pando 4,538 Report post Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) On 11/21/2017 9:53:51, bubba said: I recall that the La Quinta coconut was butchered but it’s trunk was mature at the time of the pictures in 2015. Perhaps that coconut was a mature palm that was replanted in La Quinta. The other palms pictured were far less mature but appeared to be surviving but perhaps not thriving by Florida standards. The one in Palm Desert was cut. The La Quinta tree is alive and well. They were not replanted. However, there is one in Corona that is the current record holder in terms of latitude. Other than a few more around Salton Sea I don't know of any others. Edited November 24, 2017 by Pando Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cluster 432 Report post Posted November 24, 2017 Last time i saw the Salton Sea coconuts they were looking really bad (compared to the first pictures shown here a while ago). I had the impression one or two had already disappeared from the plantation, but might be my imagination. I can't seem to find the topic anymore with the recent pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylecawazafla 702 Report post Posted November 24, 2017 Here are the coconuts in the salton sea a few weeks ago. https://www.flickr.com/photos/36838058@N03/37924721572/in/album-72157687672130151/ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veeman55 54 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 I beleive some of those gandia temp stats are bogus. Like the record highs of jan feb and the record lows above zero. Not even malaga almunecar and almeria have record lows so high. Fake weather stats Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veeman55 54 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 On 6/6/2015, 9:08:01, Alicante said: +1 this is true, Plumerias and Papayas aren't a indicator. I got small Plumerias on my flat terrace (they are the entire year located outdoors) and I've seen big plumerias in my zone. They grow in a lot extension of the coast of Spain. Papayas at La Mojonera: (probably the only place in continental Europe when they are growing and fructifying, but I don't state that, if someone knows another places with Papayas on continental Europe be free to say it!) Papayas also grow in certain places of the southernmost coast of Spain, which has the mildest climate in continental Europe (there are some zones which never achieved a temperature below the freezing mark) like Almería or the zone of Almuñecar; and in all of those places all the tryings of coconuts failed. In Málaga, in the Central Park, the planted Roystoneas grown extremely fast in only 2 years, and mangos are largely cultivated in that area. Also Málaga has a park with almost all the species of palm trees; but you will not see any coconut. Deep southern italy in a sheltered frost free zone. Plumerias, mangoes huge 24 foot papayas , octopus trees that flower twice a year, fruiting and full maturation cold sensitive cavendish bananas all the above growing easily without any protection whatsoever. This location is as mild or milder than anywhere in spain greece or cyprus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aleitalyyy 2 Report post Posted Monday at 02:34 PM On 21/6/2015 at 04:10, Danilopez89 said: gennaio 2014 Febbraio 2015 Maggio 2015 Il triplo impianto 25 dicembre 2014 (un giorno prima del freddo) Marzo 2015 Maggio 2015 hello did your coconut get back in the garden or is it dead? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Los Altos 2,178 Report post Posted Monday at 08:55 PM 6 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: hello did your coconut get back in the garden or is it dead? We’ll probably never know. He’s not visited Palmtalk since January, 2017. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aleitalyyy 2 Report post Posted Tuesday at 02:07 PM 17 ore fa, Jim a Los Altos ha detto: Probabilmente non lo sapremo mai. Non visita Palmtalk da gennaio 2017. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aleitalyyy 2 Report post Posted Tuesday at 02:09 PM pity this tread was interesting 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
