foxtail 328 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 7 minutes ago, JubaeaMan138 said: Mine sprouted in 3 weeks Wow, that's fast. Which method you used? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JubaeaMan138 885 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 I did them in soil in a germination box temp around 82 degrees Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 Pardon, if I missed it somewhere along the thread, but is it necessary to clean the seeds? It is optional, but helps, are absolutely necessary. I have a few of my own to germinate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pando 4,547 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 6 minutes ago, _Keith said: Pardon, if I missed it somewhere along the thread, but is it necessary to clean the seeds? It is optional, but helps, are absolutely necessary. I have a few of my own to germinate. The way I see it, no one is cleaning the seeds in nature (except perhaps some animals passing them through the digestive tract). The fruit gives important nutrients to the seedling once it's in the ground. It also provides an incentive to the animals/birds to spread the seed. I believe that cleaning is necessary for germination in a sterile medium in controlled conditions to avoid fungus that can thrive on the decaying fruit. But I don't think it's necessary to clean the seeds if you're just sticking them to a community pot outside. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 6 minutes ago, Pando said: The way I see it, no one is cleaning the seeds in nature (except perhaps some animals passing them through the digestive tract). The fruit gives important nutrients to the seedling once it's in the ground. It also provides an incentive to the animals/birds to spread the seed. I believe that cleaning is necessary for germination in a sterile medium in controlled conditions to avoid fungus that can thrive on the decaying fruit. But I don't think it's necessary to clean the seeds if you're just sticking them to a community pot outside. OK, I'll have them for dinner and then poop in the pots. Seed + ferts. Very sustainable. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pando 4,547 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 Just now, _Keith said: OK, I'll have them for dinner and then poop in the pots. Seed + ferts. Very sustainable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, _Keith said: OK, I'll have them for dinner and then poop in the pots. Seed + ferts. Very sustainable. Some people were actually going to do that with some Lemuriophoenix, till they saw how big the seeds were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenikakias 1,676 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, Pando said: The way I see it, no one is cleaning the seeds in nature (except perhaps some animals passing them through the digestive tract). The fruit gives important nutrients to the seedling once it's in the ground. It also provides an incentive to the animals/birds to spread the seed. I believe that cleaning is necessary for germination in a sterile medium in controlled conditions to avoid fungus that can thrive on the decaying fruit. But I don't think it's necessary to clean the seeds if you're just sticking them to a community pot outside. Totally agree! For many palms from temerate regions (with clear dry seasons) and from dry areas fruit flesh plays the role of water sponge! The not at all or barely edible fruit flesh swells during the raining season providing the endocarp with the needed moisture for the coming warm and dry season. But in this case fresh air rich in oxygen and draft or breeze are also necessary for fungus prevention or limitation, conditions available only outdoors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted December 8, 2015 I've gotten a bit of the fuzzy fungus on some seeds, and it usually doesn't hurt the seedlings, unless it's a super-humid environment, which I'm not able to sustain for long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Keith 744 Report post Posted December 13, 2015 On 12/8/2015, 2:16:12, Pando said: The way I see it, no one is cleaning the seeds in nature (except perhaps some animals passing them through the digestive tract). The fruit gives important nutrients to the seedling once it's in the ground. It also provides an incentive to the animals/birds to spread the seed. I believe that cleaning is necessary for germination in a sterile medium in controlled conditions to avoid fungus that can thrive on the decaying fruit. But I don't think it's necessary to clean the seeds if you're just sticking them to a community pot outside. So, this kept weighing on my mind. Of course you are right that no-one cleans seeds in nature. But then again, nature does not operate like we do. Nature is happy for a seed or two of the thousands it drops to germinate. And it is happy when just a fraction of those that do germinate reach adulthood. We on the other hand want very high germination rates and want the majority of those to become successful palms. Thus I am not sure we can achieve our objectives mimicking nature. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laaz 1,264 Report post Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) My microspandix drops seeds all the time. They sprout on their own under the tree without a problem. Every spring I have a fresh batch of seedlings. These are seedlings from last falls crop. Edited December 13, 2015 by Laaz 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlekLO 11 Report post Posted December 13, 2015 Beautiful! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted December 14, 2015 Some seed coatings contain growth inhibitors which delay sprouting till conditions are right. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohsen 1,164 Report post Posted December 16, 2015 Few of mine are germinating now , thanks Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted December 16, 2015 Let us know how the babies are doing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalmatiansoap 383 Report post Posted March 12, 2016 Palmy love ppl, a quick update on some older Daves radicalis offsprings some just about to flourish 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henoh 158 Report post Posted March 14, 2016 Nice, they are good looking and healthy palms! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/12/2016, 10:48:00, dalmatiansoap said: Palmy love ppl, a quick update on some older Daves radicalis offsprings some just about to flourish Always nice to spread the Palmy Love! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashaeffer 397 Report post Posted March 15, 2016 Took only a day for my wife to discover I moved my seedlings into living room under a table light. She was not happy. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxtail 328 Report post Posted March 16, 2016 23 hours ago, sashaeffer said: Took only a day for my wife to discover I moved my seedlings into living room under a table light. She was not happy. We love Dave and wives hate him !!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted March 16, 2016 29 minutes ago, foxtail said: We love Dave and wives hate him !!!! Let's not read too much into that . . . . 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxtail 328 Report post Posted March 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, DoomsDave said: Let's not read too much into that . . . . Hahahahahaha!!!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earthworm73 8 Report post Posted April 6, 2016 Dave got my seeds yesterday. Now I'm gonna sow them. Did any of yall sowed without soaking the seeds in water? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,512 Report post Posted April 6, 2016 6 hours ago, earthworm73 said: Dave got my seeds yesterday. Now I'm gonna sow them. Did any of yall sowed without soaking the seeds in water? I soak them; it's easy and yuo can do it overnight. Unless you have to plant them before going to the airport for that dream vacation yuo've waited so long for. (They don't soak in Mother Nature's garden . . . ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earthworm73 8 Report post Posted April 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, DoomsDave said: I soak them; it's easy and yuo can do it overnight. Unless you have to plant them before going to the airport for that dream vacation yuo've waited so long for. (They don't soak in Mother Nature's garden . . . ) Okay thanks. Guess I'll be peeling the dried fruit away then soaking. Sowing will begin tomorrow. Hoping they are in a hurry to sprout. I'll put the inside of my very warm (okay hot) greenhouse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Rob_ 20 Report post Posted April 17, 2016 Dave, Reporting back in: Today i potted up the sprouts from the bag as they were trying to "escape the baggie": i now have 25 seedlings (meaning pretty much 100% germination rate as expected). I will honour your call to "spread the palmy love" and distribute part of these to Chaemaedorea fans in Netherlands/Belgium - and there are quite a few of them. Yesterday i heard reports of radicalis and microspadix surviving last winter outdoors in my neck of the woods (Zone 7) with minimal damage - in some places temps dropped to as far as -7/-8°C this winter, so these babies are really tough to kill! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redbeard917 202 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 On 3/14/2016, 9:28:40, sashaeffer said: Took only a day for my wife to discover I moved my seedlings into living room under a table light. She was not happy. I bet when they get a little bigger you could make a nice indoor plant with a trio or some grouping of those. Get a nice decorative pot, set them near a windowsill and your wife might appreciate you beautifying the house rather than feel you're turning the living room into a garden shed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sashaeffer 397 Report post Posted April 23, 2016 9 hours ago, redbeard917 said: I bet when they get a little bigger you could make a nice indoor plant with a trio or some grouping of those. Get a nice decorative pot, set them near a windowsill and your wife might appreciate you beautifying the house rather than feel you're turning the living room into a garden shed. Oh, I have over 100 palm in the house......and another order coming from Floribunda she doesn't know about yet. I've given up trying to hide shipping boxes after palms arrive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earthworm73 8 Report post Posted April 29, 2016 On 12/7/2015 6:38:42, JubaeaMan138 said: I did them in soil in a germination box temp around 82 degrees Do you mind either posting a pic of or explaining your germination box? I think I might wanna build one just looking for some ideas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad Mondel 745 Report post Posted May 27, 2016 Mine won't germinate. They were exposed to 14F last January when I was in PA. Do you think they still have a chance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Silent Seed 160 Report post Posted May 28, 2016 Hey Dave - I kept meaning to - but keep forgetting to - Mine are growing nicely now. For those asking about when to plant, etc - it makes no difference I've found - They were planted in mid November (in a warm plant house) - and germinated pretty fast as most Chamaedorea do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites