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Ben in Norcal

What is that again Andrew?  Butia and what?

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Brad Mondel

Looks like Butia and Butia.… 

 

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Ben in Norcal
3 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Looks like Butia and Butia.… 

 

Yeah, it's definitely not a JxS, but maybe another hybrid?

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Brad Mondel
1 minute ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Yeah, it's definitely not a JxS, but maybe another hybrid?

Could be, but I'm pretty sure that seed came from a Butia and not a Jubaea. Unless the original plant was a BxJ and it confused the collector. We would have to see mamma tree to know. 

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Ben in Norcal
4 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Could be, but I'm pretty sure that seed came from a Butia and not a Jubaea. Unless the original plant was a BxJ and it confused the collector. We would have to see mamma tree to know. 

Just reviewing the thread and Andrew says it was collected from a Jubaea?  I see no Jubaea in that plant, and it definitely not a JxS.  You are right, it looks very much like a Butia to me, but if Andrew is right and it was collected from a Jubaea - I am not sure how to explain it.  There is no way it is Jubaea pollinated by Syagrus though - that would look vastly different.

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Mandrew968

I got this plant from Axel as a gift. He told me he got it off of a Jubaea mother. He also assured me that it was where no Butia were, proximity wise...  I am growing it as a J x S but I can understand if people don't think it looks like that. We don't grow Jubaea here so I am happy it is growing(fast too--way faster than a Butia grows). I have documented the growth on this plant so anyone can see the speed it is achieving. In the end, it comes down to trusting Axel, which I do--he has always been a friend to me...

 

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Brad Mondel

well hopefully we're wrong and it does turn out to be a hybrid! 

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Ben in Norcal

Axel is a good guy at heart, and may well be a hybrid. Definitely not a JxS though. That would look very different - so different that it can't just be down to hybrid variability. Good luck with it, whatever it is! Keep us informed.

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Mandrew968

Well, if not, thats a bummer. But I will update, if no other reason than to find out what it is, eventually.

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Straight6tt

Can someone send me patricks info, I seem to have lost it and I want to order one of these jxs.

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Brad Mondel

His email is coolhybrids@wildblue.net

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yabazid

And be patient. He can take forever to respond but he will respond eventually! It took about a month to get my order, but you might get it faster. 

Good luck

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Straight6tt

Thanks guys, sent an email last night and he already responded!

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_Keith

This thread is responsible for 2 recent palm purchases, and 3 more coming  before Christmas.   NOW STOP IT.

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Moose
On 11/28/2015, 6:49:34, _Keith said:

This thread is responsible for 2 recent palm purchases, and 3 more coming  before Christmas.   NOW STOP IT.

For years I was not a fan of hybrid palms. Of course living in South Florida my choices of palms that I could grow were in the hundreds. If I lived in north Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, et al, I'll admit I'd have a forest of muleys going on. Especially the Jubea crosses.

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Alicehunter2000

About 4 months? Growth

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Alicehunter2000

About 3-4 months? Growth

I've been very impressed ....grows as fast or faster than a mule!

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Zeeth
On December 13, 2015 at 23:24:25, Alicehunter2000 said:

About 3-4 months? Growth

I've been very impressed ....grows as fast or faster than a mule!

Wow! I think this hybrid is going to become very popular from what I've seen. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms

JxS are without a doubt faster than a mule.  Both of mine have a growth rate almost on par with a Washingtonia.

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Matt N- Dallas

I've been growing the JxS  in Dallas, Tx and then moved it to San Marcos, Tx last spring.  It is a stunning palm with the leaves being held in a flat plane.  The heat has not slowed the growth rate.  It has grown through months of +100* highs and occasional lows of 17* unprotected.  It's slower than BxS and (JxB)xS, but definitely faster than jubaea.  It's more cold hardy than BxS.  It had leaves 8' long before I moved it.  I've been growing this plant since Oct of 2009.  I'll take some new photos & post this weekend.  For some reason, the grasshoppers have a penchant for munching on the leaves during the hottest part of summer.  

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TexasColdHardyPalms
10 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

JxS are without a doubt faster than a mule.  Both of mine have a growth rate almost on par with a Washingtonia.

Just to quantify that my remark is in regard to all being potted palms inside a greenhouse, not planted outside.

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Josh-O

JXS are is probably my favorite hybrid Patrick did. I have 2 in the grown and 1 still in a 5 gal that needs to shifted into a 15.

After seeing Gary's JXS multiple times I get excited when I see my little guys in the ground trucking away.

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Josh-O

here's a picture of my little guys I'm planting in the ground

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Josh-O

They were 2 strap seedlings in liners on 2/14

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Matt N- Dallas

They look great Josh- look the same as mine did at that age.  All of Patric's JxS I've seen pics of look the same.

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Mandrew968

Yeah mine looks a little different... The old leafbases come off very easily.

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Mandrew968

From Jubaea growers, does this look like a jubaea hybrid?

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Richard Booth

It looks a lot like my Butia x Jubaea F1. Definitely a butia mother I would say.

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TexasColdHardyPalms

That looks like 100% Butia to me.  Too much armament up the petiole for a jubaea hybrid IMO.

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Alicehunter2000

Does anyone have a picture of the mother Jubaea that Patric uses in his cross?

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Mandrew968
On 1/2/2016, 12:19:19, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

That looks like 100% Butia to me.  Too much armament up the petiole for a jubaea hybrid IMO.

When you say 'armament', what do you mean? I have run my fingers down the petiole and there are no thorns--just fibers. The fibers could be what you are talking about, but I don't grow Jubaea or Butia so I can't make the call...

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Stevetoad
On December 23, 2015 at 2:43:18 PM, Mandrew968 said:

From Jubaea growers, does this look like a jubaea hybrid?

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Looks like a pure butia to me Andrew but who knows . It could look different with age. I'll bet that those fibers will turn to thorns down the road. 

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TexasColdHardyPalms
On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎25‎:‎55‎, Mandrew968 said:

When you say 'armament', what do you mean? I have run my fingers down the petiole and there are no thorns--just fibers. The fibers could be what you are talking about, but I don't grow Jubaea or Butia so I can't make the call...

Those fibers will grow into larger thorns and they extend way to far up the petiole to be a hybrid.  A jxb won't have anything much past the "fat" part of the petiole. 

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_Keith
On 1/16/2016, 2:41:50, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Those fibers will grow into larger thorns and they extend way to far up the petiole to be a hybrid.  A jxb won't have anything much past the "fat" part of the petiole. 

My JxB

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Brad Mondel

Perhaps it's an F2 or F3? This would explain more Butia traits. 

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Mandrew968

Looks like cloudy territory... guess the verdict is still out--Keith, nice palm! Can we see a full shot, please?

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RJ

Any updates to this thread after the years? 

 

 

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OC2Texaspalmlvr
24 minutes ago, RJ said:

Any updates to this thread after the years? 

 

 

I'll help bump this thread , definitely some active members still here to show some awesome updated pics !!! 

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Meangreen94z

Any current sources for smaller sizes?

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meteorologistpalmguy

Here is mine in Houston (technically Magnolia, northwest of Houston).   Second pic is when I got it from Patric in December of 2014, 1st picture is from today (was dug up and moved in early 2016). 

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