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Ben in Norcal

I don't think tonight is going to be much of an improvement. I am starting to see forecasts being revised downwards.

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enigma99

Currently a WNW wind, which actually hurts dew points than raise them. We need an onshore breeze with more moisture

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MattyB

My forcast shows it's going to be colder tonight as well. I suspect due to less wind.

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enigma99

The air is so dry right now. Unless something changes like wind, clouds or moist air from the ocean, its not going anywhere. Been a while since we have had a rain and there isn't much of anything to come from the ground. Dew point currently 35F.

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Hammer

I'm sure glad to see things starting to warm up in the day or two. I never want to see frost again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that!

Colocasia and red bananas (ensete) are beginning to show the frost damage even more so than yesterday.

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enigma99

I'm sure glad to see things starting to warm up in the day or two. I never want to see frost again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that!

Colocasia and red bananas (ensete) are beginning to show the frost damage even more so than yesterday.

Sorry to hear about your Ensete. They are fast growers though:)

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enigma99

Still got some time until the Sun goes down but it is looking a lot better than last night.

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Stevetoad

Frost damage is showing its ugly face now. Pritchardias are showing a little damage along with a small baronii and ambositrea. I suspect more as the week goes on

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Ben in Norcal

Still got some time until the Sun goes down but it is looking a lot better than last night.

Looks pretty marginal here. Dew point is only 32 and winds are only 2 mph...maybe we will do a degree or two better? Perhaps wishful thinking that we will avoid a freeze?

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enigma99

@ 5PM it is a 36F dew point with no winds, so will be another radiational freeze night. I'll take 2 degrees off for 34 plus another 2-3 due to cold coming down slope. 31F is about the worst it could go I think. I'll take it.

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Josh-O

Derrick, It's crazy to think anyone would take 31F?? But, I'm with you. my Vista growing grounds got down to 27F at ground level at the lowest part of my property with frost.

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enigma99

Still got some time until the Sun goes down but it is looking a lot better than last night.

Looks pretty marginal here. Dew point is only 32 and winds are only 2 mph...maybe we will do a degree or two better? Perhaps wishful thinking that we will avoid a freeze?

How did you do last night? And some stations are not 100% accurate on humidity so keep that in mind as well. I think a decent freeze is coming for you but atmospheric conditions and your local geography can either make you hit 32 or go below it. (or above it if you were on a hill)

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Ben in Norcal

Still got some time until the Sun goes down but it is looking a lot better than last night.

Looks pretty marginal here. Dew point is only 32 and winds are only 2 mph...maybe we will do a degree or two better? Perhaps wishful thinking that we will avoid a freeze?

How did you do last night? And some stations are not 100% accurate on humidity so keep that in mind as well. I think a decent freeze is coming for you but atmospheric conditions and your local geography can either make you hit 32 or go below it. (or above it if you were on a hill)

30 degrees this morning before we started going back up. Surrounding areas w/o my elevation were mid-20s. I hope it gets no uglier tonight.

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Ben in Norcal

I just don't get the diversity in the forecasts...WUnderground projecting 36 for me, while NWS projecting 30 degrees for the local airport (lower elevation). Let's hope the former holds...though it did not last night (32 forecasted, 30 actually experienced.) And 36 would be significantly above the dew point (31).

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Josh-O

hoping for 36F

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Ben in Norcal

The stress of this event is tiring me out :violin:

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enigma99

I just don't get the diversity in the forecasts...WUnderground projecting 36 for me, while NWS projecting 30 degrees for the local airport (lower elevation). Let's hope the former holds...though it did not last night (32 forecasted, 30 actually experienced.) And 36 would be significantly above the dew point (31).

I think you'll be 30.5F tonight. Valley locations there will be well into the 20s again

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Ben in Norcal

I just don't get the diversity in the forecasts...WUnderground projecting 36 for me, while NWS projecting 30 degrees for the local airport (lower elevation). Let's hope the former holds...though it did not last night (32 forecasted, 30 actually experienced.) And 36 would be significantly above the dew point (31).

I think you'll be 30.5F tonight. Valley locations there will be well into the 20s again

All thinks considered, I'd take that. What I don't understand, is how WUnderground is coming up with the 36 forecast.

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enigma99

Derrick, It's crazy to think anyone would take 31F?? But, I'm with you. my Vista growing grounds got down to 27F at ground level at the lowest part of my property with frost.

Yeah oh well. I have a few varieties of bananas and one got about 40% leaf burn. Think it was the cold drain off the tile roof. I'm ready for this to be over

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enigma99

I just don't get the diversity in the forecasts...WUnderground projecting 36 for me, while NWS projecting 30 degrees for the local airport (lower elevation). Let's hope the former holds...though it did not last night (32 forecasted, 30 actually experienced.) And 36 would be significantly above the dew point (31).

I think you'll be 30.5F tonight. Valley locations there will be well into the 20s again

All thinks considered, I'd take that. What I don't understand, is how WUnderground is coming up with the 36 forecast.

Hope you don't get below 33. But as plam growers we have to think worst case :)

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Josh-O

Ben, have you ever noticed wunderground forecasts to be so far off??

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Ben in Norcal

Until last night, I thought they were closest to what I actually experienced. I am not so sure now. We'll see what tonight produces.

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enigma99

Until last night, I thought they were closest to what I actually experienced. I am not so sure now. We'll see what tonight produces.

Yeah they are usually on. My guess is it is harder to predict radiational freezes as air flows downhill

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iwan

Valley locations there will be well into the 20s again

That looks like a forecast I can believe.

36.8F at 7PM here after 57F high. Same high temp as yesterday. The local AG station is much colder. They were 2 degrees warmer than me this morning.

AG station report:

Date Temperature Dew Point 01/02 - 06:30 PM 33.8° 30.6° 01/02 - 06:15 PM 34.7° 31.3°

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Jastin

I'm showing 49 with 75% humidity on all 3 sensors. Wind just dropped to zero again for the third night which never happens. I always have 1-3 mph at night, Probably due to my place being sloped in every direction along with the ocean influence.

Wonderground is hit or miss for me which is why I have a weather station. Right now the closest one to me is 2 miles away at the same elevation and shows 48. Too hard to predict with all the hills around me. The only thing showing any damage is my newly planted Euterpe Oleracea.

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enigma99

Valley locations there will be well into the 20s again

That looks like a forecast I can believe.

36.8F at 7PM here after 57F high. Same high temp as yesterday. The local AG station is much colder. They were 2 degrees warmer than me this morning.

AG station report:

Date

Temperature

Dew Point

01/02 - 06:30 PM

33.8°

30.6°

01/02 - 06:15 PM

34.7°

31.3°

37 at 7? Going to be a long night there. Wish your plants the best

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enigma99

I'm showing 49 on all 3 sensors. Wind just dropped to zero again for the third night which never happens. I always have 1-3 mph at night, Probably due to my place being sloped in every direction.

Wonderground is hit or miss for me which is why I have a weather station. Right now the closest one to me is 2 miles away at the same elevation and shows 48. Too hard to predict with all the hills around me. The only thing showing any damage is my newly planted Euterpe Oleracea.

Your dewpoint is in the 40s if I recall correctly. I would gladly swap properties with you :)

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Josh-O

I'm showing 49 with 75% humidity on all 3 sensors. Wind just dropped to zero again for the third night which never happens. I always have 1-3 mph at night, Probably due to my place being sloped in every direction along with the ocean influence.

Wonderground is hit or miss for me which is why I have a weather station. Right now the closest one to me is 2 miles away at the same elevation and shows 48. Too hard to predict with all the hills around me. The only thing showing any damage is my newly planted Euterpe Oleracea.

Jastin, where in O-side do you live?? I'm trying to figure out how far you are from me?

Currently 50.2F

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Jastin

I'm showing 49 with 75% humidity on all 3 sensors. Wind just dropped to zero again for the third night which never happens. I always have 1-3 mph at night, Probably due to my place being sloped in every direction along with the ocean influence.

Wonderground is hit or miss for me which is why I have a weather station. Right now the closest one to me is 2 miles away at the same elevation and shows 48. Too hard to predict with all the hills around me. The only thing showing any damage is my newly planted Euterpe Oleracea.

Jastin, where in O-side do you live?? I'm trying to figure out how far you are from me?

Currently 50.2F

Emerald and Olive area. Major cross street is Oceanside blvd and College blvd. you?

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MattyB

Jastin, I've tried Euterpe oleracea several times with no luck. I wish you the best. It's one of my favorite palms.

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Jastin

Jastin, I've tried Euterpe oleracea several times with no luck. I wish you the best. It's one of my favorite palms.

Thanks Matt, this is my first time so I still have a few more tries before I quit :)

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Pando

I have Euterpe oleracea "para dwarf" in a 1g pot for about a year. It has pushed a few fronds but doesn't like the climate at all. I hope it gets some better roots established as I can see it's really trying...

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Hammer

Jastin, I've tried Euterpe oleracea several times with no luck. I wish you the best. It's one of my favorite palms.

Thanks Matt, this is my first time so I still have a few more tries before I quit :)
At least put a cardboard box over it. Give it a shot to get established and put on some size before you throw it to the wolves.

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DoomsDave

About 50 here, just past midnight, with the full moon.

Praying for all of you . . .

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Ben in Norcal

32 degrees here at 7 a.m. So better than yesterday, but very marginal. This "warm up" is overdue.

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Pete in Paradise Hills

this is bizarre. 36 at my place right now, 4 miles inland, and so is National City, right on the water, yet downtown San Diego is 47 degrees...

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Ben in Norcal

Another ugly morning in those East Bay valleys...thank God for a bit of elevation!

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Pete in Paradise Hills

Another ugly morning in those East Bay valleys...thank God for a bit of elevation!

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nastiness

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MattyB

41 for our low this morning.

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Stevetoad

Stayed out of the freezing temps. 35.9. Looks like it's over for now.

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