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Brahea moorei?


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Gotta ask, what's the palm behind the moorei in post #32. Is that a cliff date palm?

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Glenn

Modesto, California

 

Sunset Zone 14   USDA 9b

 

Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990         

 

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Here are some pictures of it in the wild. It occurs in Tamaulipas at about 3500'-5000' elevation in oak forest, usually in shade and in areas that have a nice layer of rich soil before hitting limestone. Despite the fact it usually occurs above 4000' it seems to have no problem in hot humid conditions. It can rarely see temps in the teens in its native habitat.

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An unusual filiform type growing at the southern end of its range
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Those are some good looking palms ! That 9-year old one is much bigger than I would have expected of that age.

Nice to see some in their habitat, as well - That's not a flower stalk is it, on the wild plant ? Does it think it's a Yucca? :)

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great pic's Rich. I'm drooling over here!!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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great pic's Rich. I'm drooling over here!!!

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B. Mooreii is my favorite species of the Brahea genus.

The genus comes from Mexico and is comprised of ten fan leafed species .

B. Mooreii hails from the Sierra Madre region and is said to prefer a dry substrate.

It has been a good grower for me and enjoys the North exposure with primary morning sun.

My garden is not dry but is well draining.

This Palm is approx. twenty years old and a stunning specimen.

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Jeffry Brusseau

"Cuesta Linda"

Vista, California

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WOW!!!! very nice palm Jeff!! What a specimen!! :greenthumb:

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Years ago I got some good fresh seeds from Peckerwood Gardens. I now have about 10 one gallon seedlings, and they are starting to look really nice.

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Years ago I got some good fresh seeds from Peckerwood Gardens. I now have about 10 one gallon seedlings, and they are starting to look really nice.

can you send pictures of the 1 gal's??

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Well, I actually just left them in Gainesville yesterday. I am back home in Smyrna, TN. I am going back there the end of the month, and will try to remember to get a few pictures at that time.

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sounds good. Thanks Frank!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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My Brshea mooreii growing in Dallas is blooming. The bloom spike looks contorted and curling. Anyone with flowering B. Mooreii have  and info to share and compare with my flowers? Thanks

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Wow Tony, wonderful Moorei! Very rare bloom spike! :o 

Perhaps due to the first bloom.

This one is flowering here in Mallorca, vertical spike.image.thumb.jpeg.753db8e6f49fdb6d5a04382image.thumb.jpeg.2dea093efb56b4fe8d5b2e0

 

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On 11/5/2014, 10:15:33, Josh-O said:

Hi All, I'm new to Palm talk but have been a palm nut for many years. I would also be interested in buying some B. Moorei seeds. How many do you have and what would your price be? Also, do you have a picture you can share from the plant the seeds came from?

:D and now you're tha' man!!!:D

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2 hours ago, sergiskan said:

Wow Tony, wonderful Moorei! Very rare bloom spike! :o 

Perhaps due to the first bloom.

This one is flowering here in Mallorca, vertical spike.image.thumb.jpeg.753db8e6f49fdb6d5a04382image.thumb.jpeg.2dea093efb56b4fe8d5b2e0

 

Thanks great pix. Good comparison because they are of similar size. :)

 

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only if I could get some of that seed when it ripens :)

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Congrats Cikas.

...one of the most beautiful small palm to me. Little jewel.

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I ordered 10 Brahea Moorei seeds in the Spring as a result of a promotion from rarepalmseeds.  I put them right away in small pots (with planters mix) in the greenhouse.  My first sprout in very late July.  I am in 7A Northern VA, so they may have to stay potted and brought in the greenhouse for Winter unless anyone can attest to them surviving outdoors in the ground (with a little Winter protection) north of the advertised 8A rating??

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I have failed three times with small seedlings.  What is the secret?  My only thought is that I must be keeping them too wet.  Should I try a faster draining mix with less organic material? Thanks for any observations. 

San Francisco, California

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1 hour ago, VA Palmer said:

I am in 7A Northern VA, so they may have to stay potted and brought in the greenhouse for Winter unless anyone can attest to them surviving outdoors in the ground (with a little Winter protection) north of the advertised 8A rating??

I would provide winter protection - seedlings normally aren't nearly as cold hardy as mature plants.  And even larger, mature plants aren't as cold hardy their first winter after planting.  I've read where 5-gal Trachycarpus fortunei can be damaged their first winter in the ground unprotected at 20º F which is much warmer than mature, established palms can handle.

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:14 PM, Darold Petty said:

I have failed three times with small seedlings.  What is the secret?  My only thought is that I must be keeping them too wet.  Should I try a faster draining mix with less organic material? Thanks for any observations. 

Only one of ten seeds has sprouted and this is my first go at it with a little reading on the subject, but I will share what I did:  For these types of plants (as opposed to a bald cypress - which can handle wetter conditions),  I always put 60% planters mix on top of 20% course or all purpose sand on top of 20% pea gravel with cut window screens or small "chicken" wire in the bottom to keep the materials from exiting the holes at the bottom of the pots.  The planters mix comes from Merrifield Gardens in NoVA and I have had better success with it (on a variety of plantings) than potting mix.  I do mix a little seeding mix in as well.  Every planting that I used Biotene seed starting powder failed.  I kept them moist but not soaked.  Nothing sprouted until the temps got at or above 90 for 20 some days straight.  My post under Dwarf Palmetto/Sabal minor showed a success rate of 7/10 seeds using the same approach.

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:37 PM, Fusca said:

I would provide winter protection - seedlings normally aren't nearly as cold hardy as mature plants.  And even larger, mature plants aren't as cold hardy their first winter after planting.  I've read where 5-gal Trachycarpus fortunei can be damaged their first winter in the ground unprotected at 20º F which is much warmer than mature, established palms can handle.

Thanks.  My third year fortunei (four) went in the ground this past Spring in a protected area (fence and evergreen Leelands to block the northern wind - the trees I intend to remove once the Windmills are mature - plus for now, they provide them with some afternoon shade protection in Summer heat as well).  For Winter, I intend to wrap the heart in burlap cloth and a moderate cover of dry leaves (as per Francko).  I may only use a wrap of Christmas lights when they are taller.  Let's hope - and thanks again.

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Trachycarpus fortunei usually look terrible here in Texas when planted in full sun.  I have one I grew from seed planted in mostly shade protected from late afternoon sun which is brutal here.  It gets 2-4 hours of sun and still looks decent.  Good luck with your palms!

Jon Sunder

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On 7/31/2020 at 11:14 AM, Darold Petty said:

I have failed three times with small seedlings.  What is the secret?  My only thought is that I must be keeping them too wet.  Should I try a faster draining mix with less organic material? Thanks for any observations. 

Darold, mine that I bought from UC Berkeley Botanical Garden / Tim Gregory lived outside in my garden in the shade still in their 6in (or 4in?) pots for years. Verrry slow, so I gave them to Chuck Swanson over in Castro Valley, who also finds them very slow but at least they're in the ground now. I think if you're growing them in your greenhouse you'd want to plant them in a sharp-draining medium, indeed.

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

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Thanks Jason,  I have a new crop just sprouted from Cecille's parent plant.  Will share if you would like a few more!  :)

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San Francisco, California

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5 hours ago, Darold Petty said:

Thanks Jason,  I have a new crop just sprouted from Cecille's parent plant.  Will share if you would like a few more!  :)

Yes, please!!

Maybe some of mine came from you?

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

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Here’s my little 10 year old neglected moorei. Seems to do well with just a little water every 3rd day or so, no fert and planted at the base of a greedy1A00D56E-CA69-47E2-B32D-B67A9A2704B2.thumb.jpeg.0f24e98457e989202e443e4d72e27d46.jpegF38D1BC7-CD79-46E2-A6DC-660B79AE2E15.thumb.jpeg.7a3df2ecfc9fef6c4bb0097f7f9976bd.jpegC389DDEA-4830-4D6A-8859-B44924DAE8A4.thumb.jpeg.d9edc98e9ed278225f0adb899d1bb406.jpeg queen.

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Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

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