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Kris Finds..


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Dear Guys  :)

i have found a very intersting fan palm,from our goverment

nursery in madras.and i did see the mother plant that is

about 14 years old and looks awasome to me !

huge preety huge in size.i was able to identify this

palm due to our guys posting these still in our threads.

here the nursury guys call it as the ghost fan palm_hey its not

blue hasper that iam talking about.for a while i stood near that stunning palm.and gradually the gardener & manager

incharge came close to me and asked do i know this palm's

botanical or generic name ?

when i explained that it was.....there was smiles in their

face.and i immedietly asked wheather i can get seeds of

this lovely ghost.they all laughed and said what are you

going to do with such a huge palm in your garden.i said

i do not posses the space in ground i will grow this

herculeous in my terrace top in huge containers.i think

they were impressed with my affection for this giant palm

and took me to their plants growing area.and there a

rough leafed plant was lifted from its row and placed in my

hand.and they asked what this palm would be.

i said i have no idea at all and its about 2 years old and placed in shade for so long...

they told me that its the baby of that huge giant that i

have just met out side.

and i was over joyed seeing the giants kid !

and i asked will you sell this beauty to me_the answer

was a big...Yes !

i was stunned since they charged me less than a dollar,

in indian currency i paid only 38 rupees..

and i had gone there to gift then the breha armeda to

them which is about one year old.

and to get permission to take photos_but for this request

was turned down.but i will try again.when i will be giving

more of my palm saplings as gifts in days to come..

i am shure Bo Goran and....will recognise this kid when i post those stills tomarrow.iam not very shure in identifying palm kids as of now.iam a novice with the

quest for the holy grail !

See you tomarrow folks & have a nice & peaceful weekend,

Kris(India).

love conquers all..

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Kris

Any pics of the parent plant

Don_L    Rancho CUCAMONGA (yes it does exist) 40 min due east of Los Angeles

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July Averages: Hi 95F, Low 62F

Jan Averages: Hi 68F, Low 45F

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Iam 99.99% shure that Bo Goran And Komikrit will know for

shure what this little monstor will grow-up to become ?

And i also request all to try to find what this fan palm is ?

Love,

Kris  :)

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(Don_L @ Mar. 11 2007,01:35)

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Kris

Any pics of the parent plant

hey its bad news,they refused to give permission to shoot

inside that plant heaven where there are 120 years old

boaboobs,huge palms etc...

But i see that they give permission to shoot movies,after charging them with a fee.

but photosession_no permission.

But told that i can do so stealthly.what is this world comming to..i wish to do things in broad daylight and with permission.

give me time iam shure i will be able to impress those folks,

since iam gifting a major chunk of all my imported palms to this society run by central goverment.

hope soon there will be a turn around in policies at least

for me !

And when i see komikrit uploading with beautiful stills of

his countries gardens,i feel bad i cannot do so of my gardens..

Love,

Kris  :)

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Hi Kris

I think if you took down a few of you spare palms to the people in the nursery they might then let you take some photos, get them to plant your ones in there display garden or at the front of there nursery let them know when other people like your self or any of us palm nuts see these palms they might have better sales and bring more people in? It’s worth a try!

Even if they do not let you at least you can see your palms growing and know that you raised them from seed! hay they might even let you put your name by them?

The seedling that you have looks like a Corypha more than likely C. Umbraculifera but I would still like to see this ones mother to be sure!.

All the best

Clayton

Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

IPS Membership since 1991

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Maybe Corypha umbraculifera?                                                  umbraculifera02.jpg

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Kris,

thanks for the confidence, but my ID skills are not quite that good. And, if it IS a Trachycarpus as Zac mentioned as a possibility, I would have no idea because I've never grown a Trachy!! As Zac and Clayton mentioned, a picture of the parent plant would be very useful!

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Based on the blue and trying to compensate for stretching (watch out for sunburn, Kris), I'm thinking Hyphaene Indica (native to India) :D or a Nannorops or a Copernicia.

Looking forward to the stealthy pics, Kris

BS

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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Kris - What ever it is, it sure looks healthy!

Since the mother-palm couldn't be photo graphed, perhaps in two or three years, it'll become more apparent.

Either way, you're going to have fun watching this one grow! :)

Scott

San Fernando Valley, California

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Dear Folks  :)

thanks for your encouragement  :)

Alberato,Clayton were very close in nailing this baby...

It was told to me that its Corypha_Lecomteii ?

So i thought Bo Goran &....(Komikrit) will know since they have either seen grown it in their beautiful land.

but in Komikrit's stills the young ones look very different than

what i have with me !  ???

I intend to use Komikrits still for the benefit of explination,

i hope he will not mind it.

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Kris,

I would never have guessed C. lecomtei!! This is what one of mine looks like - quite different I think!

Bo-Göran

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Dear Bo Goran  :)

thanks for the visual Palm I.D,but this is just begining of

confussion  :D

since the palm that i purschased is around 2 years old and its leaf has not yet opened up.i will place it first in a huge

plastic barrel in my terrace,but will it handle full sunlight

and temperatures around 104 to 109F avg in comming

months...

Thanks very much for that qiuck visual assistance.  :)

Love,

Kris.

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More stills from_Komikrit's Achives_

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just got here the leaf evolution pattern for this monstar fan

palm..

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Dear Guys  :)

now you all have pictures of this perticular variety.can you

draw any parllel between my finds in the nursery and those

stills from komikrit.

for me i find my palm very small to draw any conclusion.

and why i need confermation is that this palm is my favouriate

along with the tail pot(Big Brother).

and huge pits were dug in our house to accomadate these

heavy weights.so i do not want to grow a weak looking

nasty palm in those huge ditches.if wrongly done it will

appear as a Joke  :D

And also wish to know when these Corypha gives out

seeds at what age & what height.since if this is what

they claim,if grounded and starts giving out seeds say

12 to 16 years from now.

I wish to know where do i stand,since iam importing few

tail pot palms seeds too.and iam planning to place

very close both the Corypha Sp.if possible let there be

hybrids ?

Dear scotty Your comments seem to be the only option for

the moment !

Thanks for interacting,& a special thanks for Komikrit,without his stills the entire discussion would have been in complete !

Love,

Kris.

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Hi kris

Is it ok to make a comment in here I'm sure Komkrit will be able to let you know the story on Corypha Lecomteii as he has been to it’s habitat in the wild, and would have seen many more than myself as Iv'e only seen the ones at Nong Nooch many years ago but I have recently seen the seed of this species which is quite large.

I think that Corypha Lecomteii has only been in cultivation for about 11 years or less now, so i don't think that it will be seeding in cultivation as of yet but the ones in Komkrit's photos at Nong Nooch should be the first ones in cultivation to seed i would have a guess at!. It’s still quite rare palm in cultivation, the seed of this species is up to 30mm Dia, which is about 3 or 4 times larger than C. utan and C.umbraculifera for the smallest of the genus it has a big seed! Did you get to see the seed?

Also Corypha umbraculifera has been planted in India for many years now so this one should be what you have seen. Does it look like the one in the post 10 from Alberto?

Also C.Lecomteii has black stripes down the edge of the mature leaf this is a very good indication also of C.Lecomteii, the contrasting colours helps highlight the green to yellow colour of the petiole. Hope this helps? :)

All the best

Clayton

Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

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Hello Kris,

I would't say what exactly ID your plant is until I have seen that mature plant you've described. Anyway I have selected some seedling photos I haven't yet post before. Following photos are seedling same size as yours for good comparation. Hope we help ID your plant. Need more our opinion.

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Above seedlings I've bought back from recently trip. Almost received damage while transporting. Have to takes few seasons to recover.

Komkrit Yensirikul

Bangkok, Thailand /17C to 40C Avg32C /rain 4 months a year.

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Dear Clayton(my friend) :)

Thanks for all the info you have provided,but i wish to share

some information with you.

here in india there are lots of peculier looking plants & palms.

and to be very open with you all is that the Corypha_Lecomteii

is not at all new to me.or for that matter in madras.

SInce my love for palms increased 4 folds after joining this forum,before that i travelled a lot but have not photographed

any of those beautiful giant palms that i came across.

Just 2 year back there was a article in our daily(The Hindu)

stating that a beautiful looking palm tree has flowered

after a span of 56 years of its planting.you want believe

i immedietly went to see it.this one was at the horticulture

society and the other one was at Saundariya nursery.

the later was sold and now its a private property where

there is a watchmen in place.

Now to the flowered palm,i went close to it,not aware its going to konk off in few months.those idoits were telling

that this will be an ammual accorence.so i did not shoot

this beauty.now recently when i started importing seeds

with help of few friends who are on job in the U.S they

directed me to visit rarepalm seeds.com site there was a

still of the same plant that i had seen in our horticulture

society_you want believe it is the tail pot palms.

but here when i enquired the authorities they told me its

male form of african palmera palm.so till i saw that again

i kept asking villagers to help me find this male palm.

which i could not find at all.

these guys told stories that the huge giant tree blew seeds around and that seed had fallen in the present

palm location and it has grown.and those seeds that they

picked from the ground one of it is now with me.they said.

but how far its true god only knows.but iam preety shure

that the one that clolapsed 2 years back was about 45 to 50 feet tall and i beleive only tail pot grows so tall and

the leaves looked closely net together that those long

fronds seen in the still of komikrit.

the young mother plant that i saw is not tail pot palms

at all.then what saplings do i have ?

how long will it take to know the real charactor of this

baby ?

And bo in one thread said that Tail pot palms are preety

common species to india.yes he is right_what i missed is

those were right in front of me but failed to notice.now

some of them are dead..

And one of my marchent naval friend showed me stills from

sea shyles,mauruttis & maldives there were huge fan palms,which i mentioned as one person could sleep in the

dried leaves.now i can draw the parellel_its the corypha

Lecomteii growing in the wild.

I hope that my find is corypha_Lecomteii.  :)

I like to hear more of our forum members opnions...

Thanks & Love,

Kris.

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Nice little Palm Kris, I'm sure it will do well in your care!

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This is my largest C.lecomtei seedling. This state show it's leaf tip round and ready to spread out.

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Hey kris, it looks like your plant in post#3 ? For me very much, except white powder on yours plant that I don't see any on mine.

Komkrit Yensirikul

Bangkok, Thailand /17C to 40C Avg32C /rain 4 months a year.

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Dear friend_Komikrit  :)

thanks for that timely assistance,now one thing i understood

is that what Bo Goran is growing is not Corypha_Lecometeii.

Iam no Palm expert,but i have a gut feeling it should be

tail pot palm.

And komikrit your new stills are preety near to what i have

now at my home.because i had touch & felt it.and your stills just proved beyond doubt what i have.

since i have seen the mother plant its resembles your tour

pictures.

As scotty & Clayton wants this baby to grow & want to

see the stills of the mother plant.which i will try my best

to have it in place as early as possible.

But i dont know how to thank you my friend for your new

stills.it has put my heart to rest & iam fully satisfied with

your info..

Thanks & Lots of love,

Kris(India)  :)

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When C.lecomtei grow to appropriate state, their leaf would spread out to forming deep slender finger shape. That more defference from Bo's specimen so I confuse a little at time. Bo, I think of C.umbraculifera when I've first seen on your photo.

These photos I've take from Suan Luang Royal Park.

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Bangkok, Thailand /17C to 40C Avg32C /rain 4 months a year.

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Dear Komikrit  :)

Thank you very much my doubt is cleared,but iam keeping

my fingers crossed till my baby grows to a decent size in my

roof garden.at times i have a doubt wheather i was nebuched

nezzar in my previous birth,since we hindus believe it  :D

and hope even our friend from hawaii_Bo Goran will be able

to know now for shure what his variety is..

Komikrit your active participation in this thread has cleared lots of doubts & made this thread a very intresting one.

For amazon coverage & Bra Zeel's carnival its Don(Amazon DK )does it best.

And for thailand coverage_ i would say its our friend

komikrit(Redvdox) simply excells..

Thanks & Love,

Kris  :)

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Kris and Komkrit,

Well, presumably I'll find out at some point exactly what palm I have. The reason I believe it may be a (different looking) C. lecomtei is that a Hawaii Island Palm Society members, who lives only a few miles away from me, collected the seed in Thailand. Now, we can all make mistakes, so I'm keeping an open mind!!

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Kris, Do you have any chance to see that mature plant again? Information of which plant where is seed come from can help surely identify. If your seedling have 2 years old, true that mother plant should died for 2 years or more. And I don't think 14 years old plant you see is mother nor old enough to flower.

I have photo additional to Clayton mention of C.lecomtei petiole, black stripped light green. You would easily ID when meet it again.

Thanks for your praise. Hope you happy growing your Palm.

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Bangkok, Thailand /17C to 40C Avg32C /rain 4 months a year.

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Huh, looks like a Sabal to me.  Shows how much I know. ???

Matt Bradford

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Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

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The one Kris has doesn't appear to be armed at all. The one petiole shot Komkrit showed of a baby had teeth along the petiole. I am just a bit skeptical still. And the young ones Komkrit show do resemble Sabal seedlings to me.

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Kris:

Looks like a juvenile Copernicia of some kind.

A pic of the parent?

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Hello Kris,

Can you give a size reference on this seedling? It looks huge. And do you see spines? It looks like there may be some from the picture. If this seedling is as big as I think it is, it may very well be a Corypha. Kris, you realize these Corypha "Conk off" after they seed?

                       Regards, Mike

Zone 5? East Lansing MI

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(bgl @ Mar. 12 2007,12:07)

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Kris and Komkrit,

Well, presumably I'll find out at some point exactly what palm I have. The reason I believe it may be a (different looking) C. lecomtei is that a Hawaii Island Palm Society members, who lives only a few miles away from me, collected the seed in Thailand. Now, we can all make mistakes, so I'm keeping an open mind!!

Bo-Göran

Dear Bo Goran  :)

Please never take our comments very seriously,since english

language that i connunicate with is not my mother tongue,

so the wordings that we foreginers use might be at times

very inappropriate in real time sense ?

but this thread gave us all a chance to see what varities we

are growing in our gardens.since when i allocate a certain

place for a giant palm,i do not want to be dissopinted in

growing some other lossy palm species in the concerned

area.

it is a co incidence that i was fresh with momeries seeing

Komikrit's still and the next day i visited the govt nursery

to give them my Blue hasper palm.this huge palm is

nothing but what is seen in Komikrit's stills.

and i park my car right in front of it.this i was doing

for the past so many years.but never stopped to admire

this beauty.

since i have lots of palm saplings to give them,i will certainly keep pushing for my photo session not merely

this mystery mother fan palm,but for the entire garden

area_that's a promise.

and there was a question from our member who often do

i visit this place,monthly twice.here they have fully grown

up Zamia cycas_cardboard palm.but want sell.

these guys are bit strange since they have many.even

they have 2 well grown water palm in the pond.

And one member has said that my palm looks whitesh

here and there it is because it had lots of black ants in

it.so dusted with ant powder on it.

And matty i must say we here in india do not have any

sabal Sp.so i have imported a few varities of sabal to be

given to this society after they have grown to decent

size.

But i must say that the mother plant looks like what komikrit has show in his still.my only doubt is will the

sapling that i have will it be of that variety or any other

corypha ?

and komikrit i will try to show you a close up of its leaf stalk and it has the thorns that you have mentioned.

since its a digital camera its quite annoying that to go

from auto to specific mode i have to do like use a computer

it is very irriating.so all auto stills of mine is a bit blur.

i will read the advance manual and get few macro shots of the thorns.and as i said the pot is very small,it has not grown enough at all.but now it has come to me i will

give this monstar the desired space and food to start its

journey of becoming a herculious.

and mind you.if this grows and starts giving out seeds all

palm lovers of this perticular variety can have those

lovely seeds shipped to you free.since i know how it feels

when you come across a very peulier palm that certainly

you neighbour will not have  :D

thanks a lot folks for the interaction. if this is what i think

then one of the giant palm collection is almost done.

but tail pot is still very much in my wish list.the seeds are

expected any time during this week from Rps(germany).

Love,

Kris.

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Hello Kris,

Can you give a size reference on this seedling? It looks huge. And do you see spines? It looks like there may be some from the picture. If this seedling is as big as I think it is, it may very well be a Corypha. Kris, you realize these Corypha "Conk off" after they seed?

                       Regards, Mike

Dear mike  :)

it is very painful information,that the corypha's fruit & flower

and they konk off.in that case does one have to wait for 50 years to get the seed ?

iam shure i will not be alive then.and who knows what my

children or grandchildren will do to this palm.since i never

admired my grandfather taste in plants_he loved royal palm,

mangoes,supotas,neem tree,banana's and jasmine.

But for me its palms,yucco's,agaves,prickely pears,birds of

paradise etc.no flowering plants...

mike my recent find_that mystery palm has spines in them

and the pot size is so small that when air blows the pot

tilts to the ground and was placed in a dark location there.

but the person who gave this palm is the chief superviser

there he knows his work and can be trusted.he garanteed

that the sapling that he gave me will grow up to become

the plam which resembles the palm of komikrit's tour.

thanks mike,

Love,

Kris

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it is very painful information,that the corypha's fruit & flower

and they konk off.in that case does one have to wait for 50 years to get the seed ?

Hello Kris,

I truly do not know how long it takes for these to set seed, but I am sure there are some members here that know. They are great looking palms, but as long as I live where I do, I won't be getting one! I don't think it would fit in my little greenhouse or my living room :D

I am sure you will still be around to see it flower if you take good care of it, you look like you have a lot of good years left.

                   Best regards, Mike

Zone 5? East Lansing MI

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Kris,

No problem - English isn't my native language either, and I have no problems understanding you!

Aloha,

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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here we have some more close ups of my baby palm, i

have provided a new home( a big plastic barrel)to this

would be_Corypha  ???

ANd another good news 10 tail pot palm seeds have arrived

along with some birds of paradise & Domenican cherry palm

seeds.

Now a photo session of this new entrant to our garden_

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Another stil of the same palm,i hope this time around you

can see the thorns in the leaf fronds ?

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