I am having trouble with differentiating between Sabal x brazoria and Sabal x texensis 'Brazoria' , can someone tell me what makes them different and how different they really are? (Or if they're the same?)
My saw palmetto looks like it’s getting some rot. I pulled the new dead shoot right out. I also sprayed it with a copper soap fungicide. Any ideas on if it’ll make it out. One part of the cluster seems ok for now, but it kind of looks like it’s going down hill. I thought these were suppose to be tough. I live in south Louisiana, so it’s not cold damage.
By Virginia Palms
Howdy y’all! I’m a palm grower in central Virginia and I’ve got a few ideas to put out there to the palm world.
Firstly, with regard to zonation: I feel as though the usda hardiness zones need to be updated because as I’m sure some of y’all have noticed, there are plants and animals living and thriving in places they didn’t use too. For where I live near Charlottesville, Virginia, we haven’t reached a 7a temperature in the last 10-15 years at least, it’s been reliably 8a or above sometimes 8b or 9a some winters. Because of this, I’ve been able to grow palms and other tropical which have previously been a stranger to my area. For starters, I’ve had a red banana (Ensete maurelii) for 3 winters and it has had no protection and is supposedly a 9a plant. It has been acted like any other musabaju you might see in a cooler climate. Furthermore I have a Sabal palmetto that just breezed through a really nasty winter we had here with ZERO protection and little damage only to the tips. I’ve also had a Washingtonia robusta that I’ve had for 3 winters as well, 2 of those winters I’ve only had to cover it and protect it for only a few nights during February. This past winter was too gnarly for it being that we had a few nights in the upper teens so I did leave it covered, but it did really well overall. I have had for 3 years now a windmill palm which has never seen protection at all and it’s thriving. I’ve had a dozen or so Sabal seedlings in the ground for 4 or 5 years now and I’ve still got 7 of them. All those along with half a dozen sago palms which have survived 4 winters now. That’s just my own yard, in Charlottesville itself I’ve seen a ton of palmage! At the UVA campus there is an enormous southern live oak that’s been there for god knows how long, but it looks to be at least 50 years old. There’s a lot of musabaju bananas as well. One persons home I drive by frequently has a very large pindo palm, tons of sagos, windmills, needle palm, huge Sabal minors, and cannas and other smaller plants. I’ve seen a few windmills around town as well, one huge one and a few smaller ones. But I feel that the climate zones have shifted about to allow for a much wider verity of flora and fauna and I believe that it would be amazing too see some more palms and more exotic palms tried in central Virginia to spice things up a bit. Palmettos now should be better than marginal as should pintos and Mediterraneans. In any case those are my thoughts on palms in the central Virginia region, please let me know if you have any experience with palms in this region and hardiness zone shifts and anything else pertaining to this conversation.
Hello everyone, so I haven’t seen a lot of coverage of this nature defying experiment but some of the In n Out burger chain restaurants that are new to Colorado have installed the iconic crossed palm trees at some of their locations such as this one of Constitution Ave. in Colorado Springs (Zone 5b\6a). These Sabal palmettos appear to have large gauge pipe heating cables rapped around the trunk and close to the crown. I’m also told they have coiled heat cables in the ground around the roots. They are left completely out in the open, and appear to have been planted in October 2021 (which I think is a terrible time). I don’t know the specific minimum temperature they endured this past winter but I know it was in the single digits on multiple occasions. Our past winter here was extremely dry. We didn’t have any moisture whatsoever from September 2021 to almost January 1st, 2022.
Winters are cold here in Colorado! I hope that they were able to make the winter and maybe we could see some growth soon. I would guess the heat cables are kept on 24/7. When I put my hand on the cable it was very warm. The days in Colorado are very warm I don’t think that’s the problem it’s the constantly below freezing nightly winter temps that worry me, they look pretty bad after this past winter. I also know that the In n Out in Thornton (Northern suburb of Denver) also has Sabals planted. I’m curious if anyone has more information, and also what you guys have to say about this incredible sight in the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains Ha! Have a look, there’s also yuccas planted in the foreground nearby, my guess is Yucca faxoniana. Thanks guys
By Nomad NYC
Hello! This is my very first post in the PalmTalk! I've lurked here on and off over the years, but only recently joined this forum.
This new thread will document my "insane" project of trying to grow a Canary Island Date Palm ( aka Phoenix Canariensis ) here in Southern Queens, New York City - currently in Zone 7B. I've always interested in growing exotic types of plants all my life. But I first became aware of this particular palm after managing to germinate some seeds that I picked up from in front of a very big pot-bound Canary Island Date Palm that happened to be in front of the United States Botanic Garden (USBG), while I was visiting Washington DC back in 1994. For around the period of twenty years, I grew a CIDP in a big pot, and despite it becoming quite large , it didn't flower so I never found out what sex it was.. Unfortunately in late spring of 2015, I took it outside, as usual for the season, and it suddenly died during a brief freak heat wave.
I then attempted to grow Canary Island Date Palms again the next year, from seeds purchased from RarePalmSeeds.com, but out of ten of those seeds, only two germinated, and of those, only one seedling survived. Then in the following year, in 2017, during a visit to San Francisco, I collected a bunch of seeds from a CIDP at the southeast corner of Union Square , which when I returned to New York, I promptly planted , with most of them easily germinating . From those seedlings now consist my current crop of Canary Island Date Palms ( about four of those palms ) but I had so many previously, and didn't have the space , that I gave most of those palms away .
During the beginning of the Pandemic, I was stuck at home, watching more YouTube videos than I would normally, and happened to come across a few Palm enthusiast "Zone Pushing" palms in places that were not their original optimal growing area. So I figured, why don't I try to do that too! I decided to try and plant several varieties of cold hardy-ish palms that was growing at the time, outside in ground - two CIDP, and four Sabal Palmettos at my house here in Queens, and two CIDP , two Sabal Palmettos and two Sabal Minors at my sister's place in Brooklyn. Of all the Canary Island Date Palms that I planted in ground in 2020, only the one Palm that was germinated from that seed from RarePalmSeeds.com was cold hardy enough to be able to survive so far ( All of the San Francisco seed germinated palms planted in ground did not survive the winter of 2020-2021).
Following are some of the initial pictures that I took to document this Canary Island Date Palm project -
Original planting location - June 2020:
Fall 2021 - first full year in ground at new, final location:
Here is my Winter 2021 - 2022 protection for the Canary Island Date Palm:
March 2022 ( Spring , after removing winter protection )
Yes, I admit, it doesn't look so hot right now , but it should improve when the weather warms up ..
That's it for now - I will try to update this thread monthly - and thanks for taking the time to read about this crazy endeavor of mine!