X Syagrus nabbonand

[Bilbo]

Does this stick to what I presume is botanical nomenclature and therefore is the Queen the seed parent as it comes

[Bilbo]

Sorry guys I just hit the Rong button as those of you who have met is a little problem called arthritis.

Here goes again!

Is Syagrus the seed parent and Butia the pollen parent?

Can it work the other way and if so what is the difference?

Anyone grown a mule?

Sorry folks about the silly questions but as I have Queen and Pindo close I just what wondered what would happen. . .

I have a well established fruiting Pindo and a tall newly planted Queen (about 18` +) and planted quick in September as I wanted it in the warm ground real quick and I also had to be at the DR Bi 1st week October.

I think that could flower next year or even this year perhaps so as I reckon that must be surely be nearly mature enough for flowering?

Also do I assume the Queen was the seed parent of the original cross or can that work both ways and what is t6he difference if any?

Over to you guys and apologise for that lot of enquiries.!!

PS Pleased to see IPS member Nigel is specialising in the Butia family.

Regardez

Juan

[JD in the OC]

Juan,

The mother plant always is listed first.  So the common mule palm is Butiagrus or Butia x Syagrus where the Butia is the mother.  You must remove the male flowers from your butia and pollenate the female flowers with syagrus pollen.  The resulting seeds should allow 6-10% germination I think.  F2 mule seeds show about .5 to 1% germination based on my experience and they are always closer to one of the parents and not TRUE mule palms.

[merrill]

Hi, Bilbo and JD:

JD's statement is almost universally true.  There was at least one exception.  Gtlevine had a second generation seedling from the  XButyagrus at Huntington BG that was quite clearly a self pollinated XButyagrus; it strayed very little from a typical F1 XButyagrus.  It was disimilar enough from either grandparent that the odds were far in favor of its being a self pollinated XButyagrus.  Haven't seen a photo of that F2 for several years.  Can anyone encourage GTL to post that F2 again? - merrill

[merrill]

Hi, Bilbo and JD:

JD's statement is almost universally true.  There was at least one exception.  Gtlevine had a second generation seedling from the  XButyagrus at Huntington BG that was quite clearly a self pollinated XButyagrus; it strayed very little from a typical F1 XButyagrus.  It was disimilar enough from either grandparent that the odds were far in favor of its being a self pollinated XButyagrus.  Haven't seen a photo of that F2 for several years.  Can anyone encourage GTL to post that F2 again? - merrill

[TimHopper]

Merrill, This is the latest photo of it that I have seen. That tree is already impressive and is going to be a spectacular adult I think.  Tim Hopper

http://thumb12.webshots.net/t....MG]

[Exotic Life]

Tim,

That's a fantastic palm! Very nice ...!

Robbin

[Nigel]

Its certainly a beautiful plant, but to my eye it looks less like a clone now than it ever did before.

[Bilbo]

Thanks guys - loadsa food for thought - and I dont mean apricot flavoured jelly!

Regardez

Juan

[Gtlevine]

(merrill @ Feb. 22 2007,00:43)

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Hi, Bilbo and JD:

JD's statement is almost universally true.  There was at least one exception.  Gtlevine had a second generation seedling from the  XButyagrus at Huntington BG that was quite clearly a self pollinated XButyagrus; it strayed very little from a typical F1 XButyagrus.  It was disimilar enough from either grandparent that the odds were far in favor of its being a self pollinated XButyagrus.  Haven't seen a photo of that F2 for several years.  Can anyone encourage GTL to post that F2 again? - merrill

Merril, I will post a new photo by the weekend. I will also take a new photo of it's brother which looks completely different.

Gary

[malcthomas]

Bilbo....

sorry to cut in on your thread but as Merill is following it I thought I would grab his attention...

I have been a way from the computer for a couple of months and had seen an earlier post on XJubaea/Butia stamen counts...

I have finally remembered to check my flowering F2 from the Tauranga hybrid and didn't find any flowers with over 6 stamens.

There a  number of spathes on this F2 which look like they may be in sync. with 3 spathes on my Parajubaea cocoides...This will be the first flowering of the P.c...your suggestions please?

Kind regards...Malcolm

[merrill]

Hi, Malcolm:

Nice to hear from you again.  

You lucky fellow!  The pollen from all of the inflorescences you're expecting are worth putting on each other.  My experiece is that JXB and (JXB)XB both tend to be self sterile, but I certainly would put pollen from both JXB on Parajubaea and vice versa.  It strikes me as possible JXB pollen might be more effective on Paraj. than on itself, and vice versa.

That's interesting your plants give a different count than mine. It's easy to carry info from something as uncommon as Jubaea too far.  I'm guilty!  -  merrill

[malcthomas]

Merrill..

This F2 is very Butia looking... I will continue to check future male flowers to see if they are consistent..

Another F2 from the same tree, but not yet flowering, is far more Jubaea in appearance and it will be interesting to see how many stamens that one holds...

Many thanks for the advice re the Parajubaea...I will keep you posted...

cheers...

Malcolm