Superthrive

[JakeK]

Thanks Nigel.

[Alberto]

(m_crowther @ Feb. 11 2007,21:57)

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I bought some today to do some experimenting with. We will see.

This is what their advertising reminds me of.....

Ha! ha! Ha! Yes Matt,I remember when I was 10 yo and I also must have this sea monkeys! They turned out to be simple little shrimps....

[Alberto]

(krisachar @ Feb. 11 2007,09:54)

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Hey guys help me out on this one !

can i get the chemical composition or contents that make

up this superthrive stuff.

dont worry iam not starting a factory here.but i get fertilizers

here in their chemical names and not any fertilizer for palms,

cycas or cactus.things that are avaliable here are...

1.amoniam sulphate

2.potassium sulphate

3.urea.

3.Potash

4.Di Amoniaum phospahate(this is what i use for all my plants)

5.complex 16-16-16

6.zinc sulphate

7.megnesium sulphate

8.manganese sulphate

9.ferrous sulphate

10.Super Phosphate

thats all i could remember folks.

now tell me using which of the above chemicals will have the

results that our friend Nigel has acheived.i want my palms

to appear as though as they are on steroids.

And folks dont think iam just joking_please help me with the

avaliable list of chemicals..

And carlos please do not repeat that still,that palm haunts me

in my night sleep_like the condours in Lord of the rings.  

Waiting for your replies eagerly.

Thanks & Love,

Kris  

Kris,what you listed here are fertilizers, stuff that good fertile soils, leave composts,cow,chicken poo etc also have.

 The stuff that Nigel is using are fitohormones (auxins) and they are normally produced ´´in´´healthy plants. Sometimes an extra hormon from outside can help a plant to grow roots,flowers etc....

[Carlo Morici]

Mats, thank you so much for posting this:

Incredible! The Sea Monkey ad came back from my subconscious. I have seen that somewhere in the depth of my past. Was it in a former life or was when I a very young child when my mother said they were just like small shrimps?

Thank you for resurrecting these memories with your picture. That's much worse than the cheesy Superthrive website.

I can read from the posted picture:

Capital letters say:

- They love attention  

- They can even be trained  

- The package includes "LIVING PLASMA" (what is that? ???)      

- The most adorable pets ever (Wasn't it dogs, cats,etc. ?)

Small letter at the bottom say:

"Caricatures shown not intended to depict Artemia salina" ... "Copyright 1972 Transcience Corporation"

Sorry for going offtopic but that was too much.

[Nigel]

At least those sea monkeys were CHEAP ,only $1.25 thats about 70 pence or 1 euro ;o)

[Don Little]

I never did order those sea monkey's although I wanted to, and then I found out they were brine shrimp.  They were always on the backs of the comics I would read.

I propose that someone take four seedlings of the same species and same age and size.  put them in the same size container in the same soil type so that conditions are identical.  Take a pic of the four seedlings at start of test perhaps spring.   Feed two with the superthrive and two without. At the end of summer take another pic and see what the results show.

[Kris]

Dear Alberto  

thanks for explaining.but i request you to visit my

thread on welcome to kris gardens.you will see the

plants are in a preety bad shape.compared to

what i see in plants abroad.so i was much intrested

in knowing what this stuff is all about ?

Dear Don  

Well said that is a perfect method to know wheather

this stuff that we are discussing does it really work !

Thanks Guys !

Love,

Kris  

[PalmGuyWC]

Ummmm,

How did a thread that started out on Superthrive degenerate to Space Monkeys?  Are we all little boys inside??  I suspect so.

At any rate, I have some Cham. radicalis and microspadix seedlings that have come up in the garden. I'm going to dig them, and pot them and do a control experiement with Superthrive.  We will see what happens by the end of the summer. I may try the same on some Butia seedlings.

I've also located a store that sells Jim's "Soil Optomizer" near me.  I will apply it to some Rhapis that I planted outside last summer.  I have adobe clay, and it takes forever for Rhapis to start growing in my soil...if you can call it that.  They grow well for me in a loose, well drained soil in pots, but seem to almost stop when they are planted in the ground, and I use a well amended planting hole. When planting, I use about 50% organic amendments and 50% native soil.  I suspect the Rhapis are not getting enough oxygen to the roots in my dense soil.  I've often wondered if a weak solution of hydrogen peroxide might not help my Rhapis. Any suggestions in that department?

Dick

[www.dadluvsu.com]

I also wanted the seamonkeys...  I let me best friend order them first just to see what all the hype was about!  Anyone remember the dirty cloudy foul smelling water? :ghostface:

[Kris]

(PalmGuyWC @ Feb. 13 2007,11:57)

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I have some Cham. radicalis and microspadix seedlings that have come up in the garden. I'm going to dig them, and pot them and do a control experiement with Superthrive.  We will see what happens by the end of the summer. I may try the same on some Butia seedlings.

I've also located a store that sells Jim's "Soil Optomizer" near me.  I will apply it to some Rhapis that I planted outside last summer.  I have adobe clay, and it takes forever for Rhapis to start growing in my soil...if you can call it that.  They grow well for me in a loose, well drained soil in pots, but seem to almost stop when they are planted in the ground, and I use a well amended planting hole. When planting, I use about 50% organic amendments and 50% native soil.  I suspect the Rhapis are not getting enough oxygen to the roots in my dense soil.  I've often wondered if a weak solution of hydrogen peroxide might not help my Rhapis. Any suggestions in that department?

Dick

Hey Guys  

this intresting topic is taking a nice turn_Experiment !

Now the plot thickenes  ???

you guys have the plants & that wonder stuff to enrich the

soil and so you guys are not kids after all.since only kids

believe all the cock & bull stories.now when you guys start

expermenting with chemicals.

Curious guys like me are keeping our fingers crossed &

rubbing our palms(meaning Hands)in anticipation for the

results.

All i want to hear is that these chemicals can artificially

boost the health & build structure of the plants ?

No matter wheather it is genetically good or safe for our

plants !

The steriods shots used in humans & animals can superthrive kind of chenicals do the same for plants ?

i believe only in test results & not vague discussions_that

we find in talk shows for the retired...

Guys i hope you will all give me results as positive_that

these kind of chemicals do work ?

thanks for inisiating such an interesting topic..that has led to a level of experimentation..Bravo !

Love,

Kris  

[BobbyinNY]

I have Sea Monkeys swimming around on my window sill right now... I have to admit, they're pretty cool.

[John Case]

(PalmGuyWC @ Feb. 13 2007,08:57)

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Ummmm,

How did a thread that started out on Superthrive degenerate to Space Monkeys?  Are we all little boys inside??  I suspect so.

At any rate, I have some Cham. radicalis and microspadix seedlings that have come up in the garden. I'm going to dig them, and pot them and do a control experiement with Superthrive.  We will see what happens by the end of the summer. I may try the same on some Butia seedlings.

I've also located a store that sells Jim's "Soil Optomizer" near me.  I will apply it to some Rhapis that I planted outside last summer.  I have adobe clay, and it takes forever for Rhapis to start growing in my soil...if you can call it that.  They grow well for me in a loose, well drained soil in pots, but seem to almost stop when they are planted in the ground, and I use a well amended planting hole. When planting, I use about 50% organic amendments and 50% native soil.  I suspect the Rhapis are not getting enough oxygen to the roots in my dense soil.  I've often wondered if a weak solution of hydrogen peroxide might not help my Rhapis. Any suggestions in that department?

Dick

Dick,

Unless you believe that adding peroxide will produce molecular O2 to the ground, I don't think you'll do anything except modify the pH in your soil....if that.

Good luck. I would be interested in the result.

[Kris]

Hey Guys  

i use this tablet for extra grouth or for the punch effect.

but i also use DAP every 15 days on all my plants.

but using this grow tabs.the effect is very nice,more

of green leaves and a fresh appearence is seen.

these tabs are supposed to used very 15 to 20 days.

small pots 1 tab while as the size increases the number

tabs and its interval of usage increase.but the effect is

mind blowing.but i dont have the time to go to the nursery

to buy fresh stocks.since all the well established nurseries

are only in the out skirts of madras city.

the tab appears like a small calcium or limestome tablet,but

the ingredients are not explained.but all plants do respond

positively and no burn effect at all ?

Here is a still for you guys_

[mcwolf]

Hi,

just got a bottle of NAA 0,5% but no idea of how to mix it. Read something about 1000:1? How many drops is that on a liter? Would like to try it on some seedlings. Thanks for your help,

Wolfgang

[www.dadluvsu.com]

Dang this post got alot of attention...  do we all want our palms to grow faster or what!?

[Scott]

Is it possible a fast growing palm or plant gets an elongated trunk? I seem to remember this on a Superthrive topic on the old forum.

I have tried Superthrive - a $30.00 bottle

The palms I used it on did good, but I wouldn't say they exploded with growth.

[Kathy]

(mcwolf @ Feb. 26 2007,15:59)

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Hi,

just got a bottle of NAA 0,5% but no idea of how to mix it. Read something about 1000:1? How many drops is that on a liter? Would like to try it on some seedlings. Thanks for your help,

Wolfgang

There are 1000 mililiters in one liter, so you need one ml per liter of water (about 1/4 teaspoon) --

[Carlo Morici]

(mcwolf @ Feb. 26 2007,20:59)

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Hi, just got a bottle of NAA 0,5% but no idea of how to mix it. Read something about 1000:1? How many drops is that on a liter? Would like to try it on some seedlings.

Thanks for your help, Wolfgang

If Superthrive contains "Vitamin B-1 0,09% and 1-Naphtyl acetic 0,048%", let's say it has NAA 0,05%.

If your bottle contains NAA 0,5% and you want to achieve a solution of 0,05% then you need to mix 1 part of the bottle content and 9 parts of water. Then you will just miss the B-1, but probably the "secret" is mostly NAA.

Look for NAA + concentration in the internet and you will find a lot of information on the effects of using different concentrations. Be careful, concentrations can be expressed in %, mg/l, ppm, etc. If you use too much you can kill the plant. If you think you need to be exact and you are scared by drops, handfuls, teaspoons and coffecups, I suggest using a jab.

Carlo

[NCpalmqueen]

Hey, I sent for some of those sea monkeys when I was young!  

I used superthrive this year for the first time on a palm I ordered that came bare root.  I really think it helped the palm adjust to life in the ground much quicker.  I thought it was a goner before I got the superthrive feedings going.  It lives today to tell the tale of another NC winter!

[mcwolf]

Thanks for your help. I confused the digits, it´s actually 0,05% concentrated. Do you guys recommend 1000:1 or higher? I won´t try it on palms which grow more or less at normal speed. Actually most of them are slow but some of them almost have any growth. Maybe this will help to get them quick-started ;-)

[wendisplantation]

Has anyone tried the Superthrive on the Sea Monkeys? Bobby? Hey, if you time it right, you could have the Sea Monkeys do the heavy work when you move. :laugh:

I have a bottle, and I have several different kinds of  healthy seedlings. I will also try the suggested experiment.....

Now, you all tell me which ones. I have enough of the following:

D. decaryi

A. purpurea

P. robelenii, dactylifera, canariensis

I also agree with what Carlo is saying, the over use of any kind of hormone cannot be a good thing, especially anyhting that becomes food....this is scarry to me. Sounds like everyone is in agreement that using it in moderation is best.

[Kris]

Hello Wendi  

thanks for bumping this thread on top to page.1.

since iam very intrested in how things are progressing

when using this stuff !

Love,

Kris  

[Moose]

I have used it for years. Buy it by the gallon and it ain't cheap,but I feel it is worth it!

As far as the Sea Monkeys, never got them - was not interested. I wanted the submarine for $6.98 or real tank for $4.98- what bargains!

[nomolos]

Hi Could we get an update from the people who tried this product as to the results

Cheers

Sol

[Nigel]

I myself had great success with Superthrive in the UK, but then went on to using my own product called Palmbooster , much cheaper , more concentrated, which is basically a mixture of NAA and seaweed concentrates. We had this produced specifically for palms by a factory specialising in this kind of product because firstly NAA is not soluble in water, and secondly getting the concentration wrong can be lethal to plants.

We chose NAA because it works with existing roots rather than IBA which instigates new roots and is commonly used in root hormone powders. The other option GA3 forces elongated leaves.

We found NAA only worked with existing roots and caused a large mass of secondary roots to appear followed by new primary roots later on. This did not force any top growth, and because the top growth only followed substantial new root growth below ground , the new leaves were very robust and strong resulting in bigger more vigorous but unforced plants.

Furthermore, tests I conducted on small plants to establish how well they responded after being planted directly in the ground, yielded a very surprising result that I did not expect. They are hardier to frost, presumably because they have more root and are stronger.

I attach some pics of a Butia I transplanted. Normally a Butia with 1m trunk, field grown without any new roots and planted in the ground in the heat challenged UK will take 2 or 3 years to establish and suffer with substantial leaf loss in the first 12 months.

Planted in April, by July the roots were like this.

In september the roots had reached this point, and the plant had resumed full growth with almost no leaf loss, almost impossible to achieve in the UK.

October and end of the growing season.

Edited May 10, 2010 by Nigel

[GTClover]

Hi Nigel, could you indicate what NAA, IBA, an GA3 stand for?

Thanks,

Susan

[Bennz]

Hi Could we get an update from the people who tried this product as to the results

Cheers

Sol

Hi Sol,

I tried using NAA after discussions with Nigel. Results werent clear with the palms, but that is probably more to do with the fact that I never got around to watering or fertilising them, so any root response was indiscernible. I applied some to Dendrocalamus latiflorus and the response was incredible. It produced an incredible number of new culms and increased the rootmat dramatically.

I stopped experimenting with this stuff soon afterwards as I began organic certification. I suspect the naturally occuring auxins in many 'plant teas' are creating a similar effect, and may well explain the success of many organic fertility techniques which get response far greater than the nutrient status would lead us to expect. Plants that root very readily tend to be high in natural auxins. Willow is a good example. I've often wondered about using Erythrina X sykesii as a plant tea ingredient, possibly high auxin concentration combined with N-fixation ability. Must try it one day...

[Bennz]

We chose NAA because it works with existing roots rather than IBA which instigates new roots and is commonly used in root hormone powders. The other option GA3 forces elongated leaves.

Its worse than that, my (few) experiments with GA3 resulted in prostrate plants unable to support themselves! I let these guys go the way of other unfortunates of nature, but I have since wondered what a mature ground-hugging Archontophoenix would look like...

[nomolos]

We chose NAA because it works with existing roots rather than IBA which instigates new roots and is commonly used in root hormone powders. The other option GA3 forces elongated leaves.

Its worse than that, my (few) experiments with GA3 resulted in prostrate plants unable to support themselves! I let these guys go the way of other unfortunates of nature, but I have since wondered what a mature ground-hugging Archontophoenix would look like...

Hi Ben

I've sarted using this for transplants, could this be used throughout the garden?

Multicrop® Plant Starter

Plant Starter is a plant growth stimulant designed to speed plant growth and establishment. The active ingredients are Indole Butyric Acid (IBA) and Naphthalene Acetic Acid (NAA) in liquid form. Promotes quick establishment of seedlings.

Reduces transplant shock when repotting or transplanting.

Encourages root formation on plant cuttings.

Increases the life of cut flowers.

Available in 500ml and 1L sizes.

Cheers

Sol

[peachy]

Isn't napthalene the stuff they used to put in moth balls ? Also acetic acid is nail polish remover ? I think I will stick with the seaweed liquid, safe, effective and natural.

Peachy

[Tassie_Troy1971]

ORGANIC = SAFE

seasol - and liquid fishmeal , sheep manure !

[peachy]

ORGANIC = SAFE

seasol - and liquid fishmeal , sheep manure !

Dont forget chookies, horsies and moo cows poo poos too Troy. I am 100% with you on this one.

Peachy

[nomolos]

ORGANIC = SAFE

seasol - and liquid fishmeal , sheep manure !

Hey Troy does that include regular Thrive

[nomolos]

bump

[Bennz]

bump

Hey Sol,

Good bump, but I want to know what happened to your combined NAA and IBA treated plants. Try the stuff again all summer long and tell us what happens. I can't get your stuff in NZ, but its easy and cheap to make up an equivalent. I bought NAA at the local farm supply store for almost 100,000 times cheaper than superthrive on an active component basis!

[velutina]

It is an overpriced joke.

[Jimhardy]

It is an overpriced joke.

Not if it does what it says,also not that expensive when you see how much it makes!

[foxtail]

On 2/11/2007, 10:57:14, freekypalmguy said:

I bought some today to do some experimenting with. We will see.

 

This is what their advertising reminds me of.....

What's happened with the experiment?

[yabazid]

So it will help establish my potted palms in the ground faster? Is that the conclusion on super thrive 

[Hamal]

Yes, Superthrive (or some of the other miracle fertilizers like Palmbooster) contain 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid (NAA), which is an auxin. It is a phytohormone that occurs naturally in plants and is generated in the leaves to signal the roots to grow faster, because the leaves do not receive enough nutrients. If you add this to your water and water your palms near the stem, the roots will take up this hormone and the palm will "think" the roots need to grow faster, which again makes the whole palm grow faster.

The secret that the sellers of these products do not want you to know is that you can buy just the active ingredient (NAA or IBA or IAA, they are equivalent) and achieve exactly the same for a fraction of the price. Also, you only need one application per growth season, ideally when the ground has warmed up enough (> 70F) and only two or three years after planting. For palms, you should use a solution with about 1 ppm of auxin for watering.