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I'm going to take down some nuts to drink today so I took a pic of this one in my front yard loaded with nuts. Water from these is very sweet. The best water is from nuts not mature yet. The lowest ones I've been letting mature for seeds so they won't be removed.

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jimmyt

Nice!  :D    Don't forget to put a lime in it..............

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IHB1979

I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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GottmitAlex
9 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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Wishing it the best!   That is somerhing!

Quite similar, as you say to @PalmatierMeg double spicata.

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IHB1979

Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.

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PalmatierMeg
20 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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Very cool and special. I assume you will keep them.

These are my twins about a week ago. They are about 3 years old and from my mother palm's 1st (of two) crop. I lost her after Hurricane Irma. That's some fast growth.

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On 10/23/2019 at 11:43 AM, NOT A TA said:

I'm going to take down some nuts to drink today so I took a pic of this one in my front yard loaded with nuts. Water from these is very sweet. The best water is from nuts not mature yet. The lowest ones I've been letting mature for seeds so they won't be removed.

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How’d you get it to fruit so profusely?! Do you know what cultivar this is? Quite lovely

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NOT A TA

I'm sorry but I don't know what it is. The city came by and planted them when I wasn't home in '05 and I haven't had any coconut experts that could tell me come by. The nuts are smaller than most of the others around and the leaves look darker to me but I'm colorblind which makes ID a bit tougher. I had other types I've since taken down because they were getting too tall or were taken out by lightning and hurricanes and got them all to produce like this with a few years care.

I've always been more of a plant science guy than a plant collector so when I moved down here from CT I started observing the plants that were growing here. What grew well in certain places, dry vs wet, sun vs shade, and other things along with how a plant type would mature naturally. So I studied the coconuts in my travels. It seemed to me that the ones that were the healthiest plants (not necessarily the prettiest) had several things occurring that most cultivated ones don't. Loads of nuts still on the plant, dry old leaves hanging, and a pile of decaying fallen coconuts/fronds at the base. So my actions are only based on personal observation and experimentation.

Since mine are in a cultivated setting I've tried to mimic a natural environment while keeping aesthetics in mind. I'm on the north end of 10B so growing nice crops of nuts isn't as easy as warmer places, I'd guess. Only fertilizer and irrigation they get is whatever the lawn needs, which seems to be fine.

1. I leave a lot of nuts on the tree during the winter. Each clump (on these particular palms) weighs about 50 lbs and that mass holds the warmth of the day through the cool nights keeping the terminal bud warmer than it would be without that mass surrounding it radiating warmth. Warm air rising from around the nuts also keeps the flowers above warmer than if there isn't any nuts. Even after removing about 150 lbs of nuts today there will be about 350-400 lbs of nuts at the beginning of Dec. which I'll leave in place until spring. Some will fully mature and drop over winter but the small ones will be gaining size.  In spring I'll remove the immature ones as they reach their point of peak water flavor then only remove every other bunch as summer passes. I stop removing clumps in Aug. and then take out all of the clumps that are at the peak flavor point this time of year because the Coconut thieves will be out shortly as the tourist season begins. They'll pas over my place when they only see mature nuts and young ones. Sucks to come home to a mess in the yard of mature coconuts on the lawn and the tree stripped of it's natural insulation and every nut that would have good tasting water is gone. So I remove the best ones now. Sorry, started rambling. The warm biomass of 350-400 lbs keeps the terminal bud and flowers happy and so growth and nut production seems to be sustained better during winter and less winter damage. These trees went through the winters around 2010 much better than all the other Coconuts in the neighborhood which included many of the same type planted by the city at the same time.

2. I only remove leaves when the palm has sucked most of the nutrients out of them and they're looking pretty bad. I cut them off and leave the boots. I  only remove boots in spring after winter as they become part of the insulation keeping the terminal bud warm during winter. So really just once a year in spring do I clean off old leaf bases, burlap, and other insulating materials. The trees I used to have that couldn't be seen from the street I'd let the leaves hanging and let them fall naturally so they had even more of an insulating advantage.

3. Because my current Coconuts are seen from the street I can't let the nuts and fronds pile at the base decaying and creating natural mulch. So I mulch heavily and up to the top of the root initiation zone. Don't know how much this might affect nut production but it seems to promote healthy growth.

Top pic below is about 150 lbs of nuts removed and pic below it shows that it doesn't effect the appearance very much but with only mature and young nuts in place the thieves will pass by.

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Pic below is textbook typical neighbor homeowner. The first nice days after summer when it's not really humid out the homeowner goes out to take care of the yard and do things they put off in late summer when no one wants to work in their yard here.  They cut off all immature nuts that are ready to use the water from and "clean" the palm of it's old leaves etc. by yanking off anything they can because they think it looks better. So then there's no biomass of nuts to hold heat and no leaf base/burlap insulation. The palm goes into winter stripped and exposed. Then they'll come ask me all over again next year why my trees look better and are loaded with nuts in spring while theirs is a winter burned eyesore.

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Orly
13 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.


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Nice assortment of coconut palms you have there.  You have any pics of your Fiji Dwarfs?  I think the one I left pictured above looks like one. 

I have a few growing though one seems to be much taller than the others.  Maybe a hybrid of some type.

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IHB1979
10 hours ago, Orly said:

Nice assortment of coconut palms you have there.  You have any pics of your Fiji Dwarfs?  I think the one I left pictured above looks like one. 

I have a few growing though one seems to be much taller than the others.  Maybe a hybrid of some type.

Thanks, Orly. The image you included is a Dwarf Red Spicata that purchased from Redland Nursery in Homestead.

One of the Fiji Dwarfs is located in the front of this image. It's the small green coconut in the front. The big trunked coconut is a Panama Tall and the coconut in the back with orange petioles is a Dwarf Red Spicata I germinated from seed.

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Orly
4 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

Thanks, Orly. The image you included is a Dwarf Red Spicata that purchased from Redland Nursery in Homestead.

One of the Fiji Dwarfs is located in the front of this image. It's the small green coconut in the front. The big trunked coconut is a Panama Tall and the coconut in the back with orange petioles is a Dwarf Red Spicata I germinated from seed.

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Ahh, your fiji is still quite small.

Here a some pics of mine.  They are about 3 yrs old, all planted at same time from seedlings.  One is twice the size of the other two.

I was hoping too see some mature Fiji's as I'm curious as too how they grow in size.

This is the smaller in the front and largest in the back:

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This is the midsize of the three:

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Zeeth
On 10/24/2019 at 9:10 AM, IHB1979 said:

Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.

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What an idyllic landscape! Those coconuts are perfect!

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