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I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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9 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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Wishing it the best!   That is somerhing!

Quite similar, as you say to @PalmatierMeg double spicata.

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Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.

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20 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

I'm germinating some Red Spicata coconuts and noticed I have a doubler.

I think Meg had this happen a couple years ago, too. 

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Very cool and special. I assume you will keep them.

These are my twins about a week ago. They are about 3 years old and from my mother palm's 1st (of two) crop. I lost her after Hurricane Irma. That's some fast growth.

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I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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On 10/23/2019 at 11:43 AM, NOT A TA said:

I'm going to take down some nuts to drink today so I took a pic of this one in my front yard loaded with nuts. Water from these is very sweet. The best water is from nuts not mature yet. The lowest ones I've been letting mature for seeds so they won't be removed.

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How’d you get it to fruit so profusely?! Do you know what cultivar this is? Quite lovely

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I'm sorry but I don't know what it is. The city came by and planted them when I wasn't home in '05 and I haven't had any coconut experts that could tell me come by. The nuts are smaller than most of the others around and the leaves look darker to me but I'm colorblind which makes ID a bit tougher. I had other types I've since taken down because they were getting too tall or were taken out by lightning and hurricanes and got them all to produce like this with a few years care.

I've always been more of a plant science guy than a plant collector so when I moved down here from CT I started observing the plants that were growing here. What grew well in certain places, dry vs wet, sun vs shade, and other things along with how a plant type would mature naturally. So I studied the coconuts in my travels. It seemed to me that the ones that were the healthiest plants (not necessarily the prettiest) had several things occurring that most cultivated ones don't. Loads of nuts still on the plant, dry old leaves hanging, and a pile of decaying fallen coconuts/fronds at the base. So my actions are only based on personal observation and experimentation.

Since mine are in a cultivated setting I've tried to mimic a natural environment while keeping aesthetics in mind. I'm on the north end of 10B so growing nice crops of nuts isn't as easy as warmer places, I'd guess. Only fertilizer and irrigation they get is whatever the lawn needs, which seems to be fine.

1. I leave a lot of nuts on the tree during the winter. Each clump (on these particular palms) weighs about 50 lbs and that mass holds the warmth of the day through the cool nights keeping the terminal bud warmer than it would be without that mass surrounding it radiating warmth. Warm air rising from around the nuts also keeps the flowers above warmer than if there isn't any nuts. Even after removing about 150 lbs of nuts today there will be about 350-400 lbs of nuts at the beginning of Dec. which I'll leave in place until spring. Some will fully mature and drop over winter but the small ones will be gaining size.  In spring I'll remove the immature ones as they reach their point of peak water flavor then only remove every other bunch as summer passes. I stop removing clumps in Aug. and then take out all of the clumps that are at the peak flavor point this time of year because the Coconut thieves will be out shortly as the tourist season begins. They'll pas over my place when they only see mature nuts and young ones. Sucks to come home to a mess in the yard of mature coconuts on the lawn and the tree stripped of it's natural insulation and every nut that would have good tasting water is gone. So I remove the best ones now. Sorry, started rambling. The warm biomass of 350-400 lbs keeps the terminal bud and flowers happy and so growth and nut production seems to be sustained better during winter and less winter damage. These trees went through the winters around 2010 much better than all the other Coconuts in the neighborhood which included many of the same type planted by the city at the same time.

2. I only remove leaves when the palm has sucked most of the nutrients out of them and they're looking pretty bad. I cut them off and leave the boots. I  only remove boots in spring after winter as they become part of the insulation keeping the terminal bud warm during winter. So really just once a year in spring do I clean off old leaf bases, burlap, and other insulating materials. The trees I used to have that couldn't be seen from the street I'd let the leaves hanging and let them fall naturally so they had even more of an insulating advantage.

3. Because my current Coconuts are seen from the street I can't let the nuts and fronds pile at the base decaying and creating natural mulch. So I mulch heavily and up to the top of the root initiation zone. Don't know how much this might affect nut production but it seems to promote healthy growth.

Top pic below is about 150 lbs of nuts removed and pic below it shows that it doesn't effect the appearance very much but with only mature and young nuts in place the thieves will pass by.

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Pic below is textbook typical neighbor homeowner. The first nice days after summer when it's not really humid out the homeowner goes out to take care of the yard and do things they put off in late summer when no one wants to work in their yard here.  They cut off all immature nuts that are ready to use the water from and "clean" the palm of it's old leaves etc. by yanking off anything they can because they think it looks better. So then there's no biomass of nuts to hold heat and no leaf base/burlap insulation. The palm goes into winter stripped and exposed. Then they'll come ask me all over again next year why my trees look better and are loaded with nuts in spring while theirs is a winter burned eyesore.

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13 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.


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Nice assortment of coconut palms you have there.  You have any pics of your Fiji Dwarfs?  I think the one I left pictured above looks like one. 

I have a few growing though one seems to be much taller than the others.  Maybe a hybrid of some type.

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10 hours ago, Orly said:

Nice assortment of coconut palms you have there.  You have any pics of your Fiji Dwarfs?  I think the one I left pictured above looks like one. 

I have a few growing though one seems to be much taller than the others.  Maybe a hybrid of some type.

Thanks, Orly. The image you included is a Dwarf Red Spicata that purchased from Redland Nursery in Homestead.

One of the Fiji Dwarfs is located in the front of this image. It's the small green coconut in the front. The big trunked coconut is a Panama Tall and the coconut in the back with orange petioles is a Dwarf Red Spicata I germinated from seed.

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4 hours ago, IHB1979 said:

Thanks, Orly. The image you included is a Dwarf Red Spicata that purchased from Redland Nursery in Homestead.

One of the Fiji Dwarfs is located in the front of this image. It's the small green coconut in the front. The big trunked coconut is a Panama Tall and the coconut in the back with orange petioles is a Dwarf Red Spicata I germinated from seed.

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Ahh, your fiji is still quite small.

Here a some pics of mine.  They are about 3 yrs old, all planted at same time from seedlings.  One is twice the size of the other two.

I was hoping too see some mature Fiji's as I'm curious as too how they grow in size.

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On 10/24/2019 at 9:10 AM, IHB1979 said:

Here are some updated coconut images from my yard. I took some of these right before we evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, so the shutters are up and the yard is clean. It's usually filled with my children's toys. The large coconuts are from seed collected July 2011, germinated November 2011. Planted out 2012. 

I wish my photo bucket images still worked as I could have added these updated images to the previous yearly growth progression photos.  I have a mix of Panama and Jamaican Talls, Red Spicata and Fiji Dwarf coconuts.

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What an idyllic landscape! Those coconuts are perfect!

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I guess many of you may be doubting this method will work, that's not what I'm wondering anyway
... But is there an example that has been tried so close to the shores in the Mediterranean, have you witnessed it?
Because people only do adaptation work in property gardens

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On the topic of the best microclimate in Florida, does Pahokee count?   I believe they have never recorded a temp below 35.  Some of the tallest coconuts in the state, huge adonidia clumps, etc

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Saudi Arabia is definitely well suited to grow coconut palms in various areas. However, the greatest latitude in Saudi Arabia is approximately 32.15 N.

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My Cocos container ranch is really taking off this year and I have some new additions and some seeds from down south which should have just enough warm to hot weather to sprout before this coming winter at which time I will move them inside.

 

 

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On 9/29/2017 at 1:21 PM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

various coconuts around Matlacha Pine Island and Bokeelia.

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THese good cocoatuts. I grow manny cocoatuts here SENEGAL.

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Walt reminded me of a huge coconut I saw at the Edison estate, though theres a fair number of pre LY coconuts on the property, this one was certainly the tallest.  This one ranks up near some of the tallest ive seen in Florida, anyone have any estimate when it was planted?

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Its the one on the right.

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I picked up this Maypan today at a lovely nursery down here in Port Charlotte.  It looks like at least one other coconut I have, but at least now I have one that has a positive ID.

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Took a pic of my trunking coconut in California.

 

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I have a new member of my coconut family.  The nut looks like a tall of some sort.  Six more coconuts planted waiting on germination.

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On 9/11/2021 at 7:28 PM, GottmitAlex said:

Took a pic of my trunking coconut in California.

 

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Hey Alex, how tall is it, and what variety is it?

John

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8 hours ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Hey Alex, how tall is it, and what variety is it?

John

John, it is 15 ft tall from the base.

I bought it on eBay as a "yellow dwarf coconut" . It's been 5 years from a single strap leaf seedling. 

Either it's a golden Malayan dwarf or a golden tall of sorts. 

No flower spathe. But in my climate that is usual for coconuts. 

Here's hoping.

It is from Flahridah.

 

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Here's the latest pic of my mature 'weed'.....yes they are weedy in and around Darwin. This specimen is 40' or 50' tall in my front yard and was about 3' tall when I bought my house in 1987.
 

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On 9/24/2021 at 2:44 PM, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Hey Alex, how tall is it, and what variety is it?

John

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On 9/25/2021 at 5:27 PM, GottmitAlex said:

More detailed pics:

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Looking good, Alex.  But I am concerned that the trunk seems kind of narrow at the base for a Coconut Palm 15ft. tall in overall height.  I have a Green Malayan Dwarf that is in the ground that is about 9ft. tall in overall height that has a trunk base about that same width.

John

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30 minutes ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Looking good, Alex.  But I am concerned that the trunk seems kind of narrow at the base for a Coconut Palm 15ft. tall in overall height.  I have a Green Malayan Dwarf that is in the ground that is about 9ft. tall in overall height that has a trunk base about that same width.

John

I'm concerned as well John. 

It is thin. I'll measure it and post the numbers.  meine Frau and myself compare the trunk of the coco to our filibusta tiki and the coconut is a toothpick.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Looking good, Alex.  But I am concerned that the trunk seems kind of narrow at the base for a Coconut Palm 15ft. tall in overall height.  I have a Green Malayan Dwarf that is in the ground that is about 9ft. tall in overall height that has a trunk base about that same width.

John

Alex, I think maybe you need to increase the watering during the hot dry months there.  I really increased the watering of my in ground ones, and they have really taken off in growth, and are developing faster trunks than ones I have grown before.

 

John

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1 minute ago, GottmitAlex said:

I'm concerned as well John. 

It is thin. I'll measure it and post the numbers.  Mein Frau and myself compare the trunk of the coco to our filibusta tiki and the coconut is a toothpick.

 

Okay.  Thanks.  I look forward to reading the measurements.  I need to do that with my two in ground ones and post them here, so we can compare.  My other in ground one is a Panama Tall that is about 8.5ft. tall in overall height.

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21 minutes ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Okay.  Thanks.  I look forward to reading the measurements.  I need to do that with my two in ground ones and post them here, so we can compare.  My other in ground one is a Panama Tall that is about 8.5ft. tall in overall height.

Great. I'll measure the clear trunk and the immediate girth of the leaf base.  

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On 10/2/2021 at 9:15 PM, GottmitAlex said:

Great. I'll measure the clear trunk and the immediate girth of the leaf base.  

Alex, the circumference of my Green Malayan Dwarf is 24 inches, and it is about 8.5ft to 9ft. tall in overall height.  And the circumference of my Panama Tall is 23 inches, with an overall height of about 8ft.

John

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Alex, the circumference of my Green Malayan Dwarf is 24 inches, and it is about 8.5ft to 9ft. tall in overall height.  And the circumference of my Panama Tall is 23 inches, with an overall height of about 8ft.

John

John, is that clear trunk or with the leaf bases attached?

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25 minutes ago, GottmitAlex said:

John, is that clear trunk or with the leaf bases attached?

Alex, it's with the leaf bases attached.  No clear trunk yet.  If they make it through this winter, I hope to see them trunking by May, or June of next year.

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Just now, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

Alex, it's with the leaf bases attached.  No clear trunk yet.  If they make it through this winter, I hope to see them trunking by May, or June of next year.

They will certainly be tall enough to be trunking by then, and old enough too.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Coconut Palm said:

They will certainly be tall enough to be trunking by then, and old enough too.

Once I make it home I'll measure clear trunk and with the leaf bases.

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1 hour ago, GottmitAlex said:

Once I make it home I'll measure clear trunk and with the leaf bases.

Okay.  Looking forward to seeing the size.

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Mine in Phx Az also has a small trunk in a pot. About 8ft tall.  Gets watered everyday.  But I think she looks decent.  I dont expect she will ever look good like in the tropics. But ill take it for what it is worth. 

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8 hours ago, ando.wsu said:

Mine in Phx Az also has a small trunk in a pot. About 8ft tall.  Gets watered everyday.  But I think she looks decent.  I dont expect she will ever look good like in the tropics. But ill take it for what it is worth. 

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Your coconut looks amazing.  Give it plenty of water.  Its location by the house should help it to do really well over winter.

-Loke

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