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Butia or Jubaea for coastal mainland western europe ?


greekpalm

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Which of those two is best for a colder(zone 8a and 8b, with extremes up to -17C) atlantic(constant rainy yearlong, between 700 and 900mm annually) climate(summer temperatures around 20 and 22C)

UK is excluded because they have warmer winters, sunnier annually, and less rain.

Also I should mention that air is humid the whole air through.

So which one should have a higher probability to survive (with minimal winter protection), and the higher possibility to grow faster ?

(trivia knowledge: this area has an population of around 18 Million )

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USDA Hardiness Zones 9b to 10a

AHS Heat Zones 8

altitude 100 meters (320 Feet)

4 km (2,4 Miles) from the Mediterranean

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lowest ever recorded temperature -4 C (24 F)

maximum ever recored temperature 45 C (113 F)

mean minimum temperature January 7 C (44 F)

mean maximum temperature January 14 C (57 F)

mean minimum temperature July 23 C (74 F)

mean maximum temperature July 33 C (92 F)

average annual rainfall 330mm (13 Inch)

average annual sunshine 2800 hours

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in faster growth i do mean leafs per year, and not about the trunk on the palm

USDA Hardiness Zones 9b to 10a

AHS Heat Zones 8

altitude 100 meters (320 Feet)

4 km (2,4 Miles) from the Mediterranean

16716.gif

lowest ever recorded temperature -4 C (24 F)

maximum ever recored temperature 45 C (113 F)

mean minimum temperature January 7 C (44 F)

mean maximum temperature January 14 C (57 F)

mean minimum temperature July 23 C (74 F)

mean maximum temperature July 33 C (92 F)

average annual rainfall 330mm (13 Inch)

average annual sunshine 2800 hours

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Butia eriospatha. Hunt down Nigel on this forum.

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F

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Neither Butia nor Jubaea will take -17 for a longer time with only light protection.

If you're willing to protect them I'd go for the most beautiful in your eyes.

Butia eriospatha does seem like a good choice though.

I've only a Jubaea planted out and it doesn't have any problems with high rainfall (around 1200mm)

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For what it's worth, there are some large Jubes in southwestern France, facing the Atlantic.

I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.

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For what it's worth, there are some large Jubes in southwestern France, facing the Atlantic.

I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.

If southwestern France faces the Antlatic, then the coastal french part next to Spain facing the med is what?

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South and Southeast and the part right next to Spain..... East....? Is this a trick question? What do I win?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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I was thinking that South East part of France is the one bordering to Italy, you know Cote d'Azure, Menton, Nice, Cannes, the famous european film festival etc while diagonally on the opposite side, facing Atlantic is the North West part, but again maybe I am wrong or I live in another dimension :bemused:

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I think a Butia X Jubaea hybrid would be a pretty good option. Or Jubaea X Butia.

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

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I think a Butia X Jubaea hybrid would be a pretty good option. Or Jubaea X Butia.

I am a tad warmer, but my Jubutia is slow, and I mean SLOWWWW.

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Based on what I am reading in our Ukrainian/Russian forum, Jubaeas perform much better than Butias in Eastern Europe where they are considered to be the hardiest of all pinnate-leafed palms. There are some growing unprotected in zone 7 in Czech Republic.

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thank you guys! also people have been reporting similar reports in belgium and the netherlands, Jubaea seems to be the winner... ill focus on it from next sping.

USDA Hardiness Zones 9b to 10a

AHS Heat Zones 8

altitude 100 meters (320 Feet)

4 km (2,4 Miles) from the Mediterranean

16716.gif

lowest ever recorded temperature -4 C (24 F)

maximum ever recored temperature 45 C (113 F)

mean minimum temperature January 7 C (44 F)

mean maximum temperature January 14 C (57 F)

mean minimum temperature July 23 C (74 F)

mean maximum temperature July 33 C (92 F)

average annual rainfall 330mm (13 Inch)

average annual sunshine 2800 hours

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